Re: [Community] Griefers solution

[Krogon Devilstep]

oh it is very likley that if we venture out it will happen again,, this is a certainty.. so for this situation I think an underlying contingency plan is needed for such eventuality..

Probably startvation again.. but instead of wating for a gank guild to fully transfer.. we starve the obvious scouts thus preventing the main mass of gangers from transfering..

but for that we need to recognise guild gank scouts when they arrive

I meant more in reference that we treat contested zones as exactly that, Contested... claiming area's IC should be a taboo and a no no, While setting up a base/event in such regions should be done with the idea in mind that pvp could occur.

[Seranita]

Hmm that true,, yes..

[Rae Wulfgnar]

I meant more in reference that we treat contested zones as exactly that, Contested... claiming area's IC should be a taboo and a no no, While setting up a base/event in such regions should be done with the idea in mind that pvp could occur.

HALLELUJAH!

[Zhakiri]

It's an epiphany I think DB needed.

[Krogon Devilstep]

It's an epiphany I think DB needed.

Perhaps, We just got far too comfortable and complacent.

[Kristeas Sunbinder]

It's an epiphany I think DB needed.

Perhaps, We just got far too comfortable and complacent.

"Success breeds complacency. Complacency breeds failure. Only the paranoid survive."

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[Ara]

Guess all we can do is keep this up.Venture out in scouting parties of our own every now and then.If we get ganked note the guild tag,head to safe areas and hope our caution bares fruit.

[Cid]

If more bothered to read my post, I was saying that we also could make a suggestion for RP-PvP realm specific ruleset, which (if Blizzard reads and accepts it) would allow both RP and PvP to prosper, instead of just one or the other:

One thing we could do as well is a suggestion to make a RP-PvP realm
specific ruleset: Current rules minus the allowing of harrassment.

As it is now, we're too busy either arguing, hiding or fighting to RP. Suggestions on how to improve the security on the realms ought to be of somewhat priority after that mess with the "RP-PvP grief" thread, one would think.

Would be nice if we could talk this over with many more guilds, not just RP, RP-PvP/PvE ones but others as well. Idealistic, one may think. Perhaps says I.
However we need rules for these realmtypes, the RP and PvP ruleset counterwork eachother too much to work properly for our realm.

[Sharyssa/Adenah]

I'll post it in here, my latest mail and the answers gotten from Blizzard/Gm's

Dear Blizzard,

As I know there has been many reports and complaints about a current issue on the server "Defias Brotherhood" and the current topic found here: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4735995031?page=1 shows many sides and valid arguments on both sides on the matter.

I wish to clarify that on this server we are all aware of pvp, ganking and similar risks we have signed up for. We've also been told repeatedly to move zone/server or fight back by the same mechanics of the game. Now the issue here is that it's going to the point where you are allowing players to chase of other players, hence losing subscriptions.
We have reported for harrassment because we -are- the targetted group of the guild "A bunch of campers" no other people venture outside the world anylonger like us rp'ers do. Allowing them to grief us every single day, for hours and with that destroy gameplay, gametime and fun for a large group of people should not be this easily looked over.

As it is also stated in the topic, we do not wish to end ganking overall or pvp on the server. Hence why we have not moved to a pve server either. But the respect of these players to atleast see there is rp-pvp as servertype and not sole pvp is missing. We would not report them would this be a weekly or rare issue but so far they go out of their way to track and kill those rp'ing because we offer no fight.
Now that we do offer a fight to try and stop what is demotivating us to pay for your game they have increased in numbers and resolve. The last few days we have been forced to assemble other people to try and fight them of because they show up ONLY once they see it's purely rp'ing going on in the zone they gank us in.
As for moving zone this would kill more rp on the server aswel, another destruction of the game and the server. And I cannot stress the matter enough that we are -aware- of what we signed up for, this is our realm, a place of friends and history on which we have played for years. Some even since the start of the launch.

Why would we have to take it that a single guild who has already ruined other servers by ganking their rp'ers can be allowed to come and do the same on ours? The rules overlap, and Blizzard has so far put pvp over rp but this wasn't the case a few years ago. Us rp'ers were valued aswel and these bullies and harrassers were taken care of. We ask of you to once more stand up for your playerbase and put an end to such disruptive and bullying behaviour that ruins the game for more each day that passes. This griefing (which also shows in their posted youtube video's) has been going on weeks and months and is no longer a mere matter of "using gamemechanics" to do so, they hide behind your rules and an expectation may be in order for this. Perhaps allow a GM to watch the current ongoing for a few weeks on our server and you will see how there is never a moment of peace granted anymore because of this guild hellbent on destroying the rp community thanks to the protection of unclear rules.

There's a limit to what should be allowed even for this. I hope you are able to understand how grave it has become.

Kind regards

Hello,

Thank you for your E-mail. I am very sorry to hear that you are not enjoying World of Warcraft as much as you have previously. I can definitely understand how the situation on your realm can affect people's enjoyment. Unfortunately, as long as those players are not directly violating the policies it is not something that we will interfere with.

To elaborate on that; killing members of the opposite faction is not against the World of Warcraft policies, regardless of the out-of-game reasons for doing so.

I am sorry that your realm is currently in a state that you are enjoying less, but what you describe is not something that we can assist with. The best we can do is encourage you to find in-game solutions, such as the ones you mentioned yourself.

Good luck and kind regards,

Kasper
Senior Game Master, In-Game Services
Blizzard Entertainment

Hello Game-master Kasper,

Thank you kindly for the swift response. We are aware that this problem cannot be taken care of within the settings of the policies. That's the exact reason we are all sending emails and reports for the sake of asking those at Blizzard that for once perhaps an exception can be made or perhaps policy adapted. Fighting back has proven to make things worse and in the meantime the server keeps dying, several have already left or quit because of this guild. No matter policy, would Blizzard not interfere at all and with that encourage this behaviour? One single guild, hiding behind rules is allowed to destroy a long established server and community because they know how to hide within the rules. Their videos and the way they act are nothing less but a show of "we can do what we want and nothing they can do about it".
We -should- be able to do something about this intolerable griefing that has been going on months, I don't even feel like logging on anymore the last weeks knowing when I do they will be there to ruin it for me. One can fight back, but being forced to play a game -daily- the same way when it is much more in aspects shouldn't be happening.

I hope that for once there's a chance that Blizzard can see how unsatisfied we are because such behaviour is justified by a policy.

Kind regards

Greetings,

Thank you for your reply. I can completely sympathise with the current situation you are facing on Defias Brotherhood. I was talking to another member of your realm recently and the arguments you have all provided (in tickets, emails and on the forums) have been excellent, from both sides.

As an ex-roleplay server member myself I can understand the frustration that comes from the impression that Blizzard doesn’t care about the roleplay aspect, however I can guarantee that this is not the case. We have provided the roleplay community with an environment that gives them the freedom to play as they wish.

However, on Defias Brotherhood there is also a PvP aspect which must also be taken into consideration and has an equal footing to the roleplay aspect, and even though ganking and corpse camping may not be honourable, they are definitely not against our policies. Just as we would never try and stop anyone from roleplaying, I’m sure you can understand that we can also not stop people from wanting to PvP.

As you have chosen to be part of this server for both the roleplay and PvP interactions, I can only reiterate what others have said in the past, which is to fight when you encounter an enemy. You may also wish to consider creating an event purely to attack the guild that seems to be at the centre of the problem.

I do hope this answers your questions, and obviously, should you have any other issues please feel free to contact us using the in-game ticket system.

Kind regards,

Aled J.
Senior Game Master, In-Game Services
Blizzard Entertainment

[Geldar]

Don't try asking Blizzard for help, they won't bend the policies for us no matter how well its argued or justified, like shown above. :l

[Sharyssa/Adenah]

They did it once before however, as far as I've been informed. AND a GM told us to mass-report and petition to make a change, you never know? One can always -try- the person who doesn't try loses without a fight

[Raenmar]

Mass-petitioning to get them to change the policy is the only way through the problem. Hiding away and disrupting our own RP is a temporary solution at best.

Despite what the GM above said, we aren't even asking people not to PvP. We're asking for there to be some sort of restrictions on PvP.

[Krogon Devilstep]

Mass-petitioning to get them to change the policy is the only way through the problem. Hiding away and disrupting our own RP is a temporary solution at best.

Despite what the GM above said, we aren't even asking people not to PvP. We're asking for there to be some sort of restrictions on PvP.

Quite so, but more than anything i think we need to gradually alter how we percieve/approach things in order to solve this overall problem. which -will- re-occur.

[Seranita]

then we shall start a pettition no? something probably ghi related.. something that can then be printed and sent in hard paper.. get every ones signature on it

[Raenmar]

Quite so, but more than anything i think we need to gradually alter how we percieve/approach things in order to solve this overall problem. which -will- re-occur.

But do we, really? Because, the GLF at least fully understood that we'd face PvP if we went to RP in a contested zone. We accepted that, and we were prepared for it.

But camping people for long periods of time, attacking them daily, disrupting roleplay repeatedly and consistently, is wrong. Sure, it fits within Blizzard's policies. But that's why there needs to be change.

[Ara]

Bahh try if yee want .But for now we just double down and wait.

Also just a thing that's been bothering me.Say you have a friend in a ganking guild who has been running amuck putting down RP on the opposite faction.How would one deal with such a situation.

[Cid]

Aaand I saw Seiken's post on the Blizz forums, posted by Danaell. They have a spy with membership here, FYI.

[Drustai]

Aaand I saw Seiken's post on the Blizz forums, posted by Danaell. They have a spy with membership here, FYI.

We've known this for awhile, which is why I wonder why people are so willing to continue to post information here. They see everything we post.

[Krogon Devilstep]

makes no difference ultimately what they see.

they dont get what they want, they get bored, they stop.

We'll outlast them. is a fact.

[Ara]

Aye it's a great set up.We dig in and they die.

[Raenmar]

But as soon as we go back out, the problem will come straight back.

[Guest]

the point is to get them to fuck off the server

[Krogon Devilstep]

But as soon as we go back out, the problem will come straight back.

Hence we need to Revise how we approach PvP and Contested zones.

[Krogon Devilstep]

first group to fall at a hurdle...

Disciples of light. Westbrook Garrison.

blue-shield. no questions asked, just do it, as long as your flagged your fucking yourselves over.

[Kristeas Sunbinder]

first group to fall at a hurdle...

Disciples of light. Westbrook Garrison.

blue-shield. no questions asked, just do it, as long as your flagged your fucking yourselves over.

As someone that doesn't flag for pvp in non-contested zones I'll say that I ignore any claims that I play this game for the sake of others.

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