Re: [Community] Griefers solution

[Rae Wulfgnar]

first group to fall at a hurdle...

Disciples of light. Westbrook Garrison.

blue-shield. no questions asked, just do it, as long as your flagged your fucking yourselves over.

Its very hard to blue-shield! We are a pvp hungry guild.

[Beladon]

first group to fall at a hurdle...

Disciples of light. Westbrook Garrison.

blue-shield. no questions asked, just do it, as long as your flagged your fucking yourselves over.

Alright, firstly, branding an ENTIRE guild on the actions of a few is just pathetic. This solution is at best a way to advise people, end of the day, you nor I have any control over what individuals choose to do. Dol has mixed views on the matters, some agree, some do not and others (Myself included) really don't give this -problem- too much though.

Secondly, for the past few weeks yes aboc have tried to gank us but we usually hold out well enough to shoo them away.


End of the day though, always has been gankers, always will be. Personally the random Wpvp it sometimes leads to is rather enjoyable.

[Ehrfürchtige Bennedict]

Seiken, seeing how you have absolutely nothing to say in our guild, I'm sorry but we have our own policies on how to deal with certain aspects of the game.

And what you're proposing is just that, a proposal.

[Sharyssa/Adenah]

I suggest everyone to stop saying anything regarding/ about Aboc, all our posts are being copied into public Blizzard forums.

[Cid]

I suggest everyone to stop saying anything regarding/ about Aboc, all our posts are being copied into public Blizzard forums.

This, basically.

[Guest]

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about, the solution is simple.

The majority of the rp community on Alliance side, it seems, don't want their rp destroyed by wPvP. So, these are the guys to shield and head out of contested zones, in fact, cities else your rp will just get disrupted by people jumping up an down on your head.

The rp/pvp guilds, carry on as normal just don't complain if you get ganked and camped. It's war, the enemy will hunt and kill you and if your light users or spirit healers return your life to you, the enemy will slay you again. That's war. It's how rp/pvp works; if it were Vile Thorn being attacked, we would fight back and if clear we are overwhelmed then I'd do what any good officer would do - tell my troops to retreat and recover and then, actually, we would seek vengeance another time. This is the immersion of rp/pvp on an rp/pvp server.

I think a blanket ban on wpvp just hurts the rp/pvp guilds.

[Grufftoof]

It's difficult to lock or block these people as sometimes they're "genuine RPing" members - maybe with a grudge, or vendetta, or simply a penis instead of a brain.

The forums are getting a tighter lockdown in a way. And we're here to listen to concerns if you have them.

But please stop fanning the flames on the Blizz forums. It's always been pointless. Being careful of what you say here is all cool too, for the time being.>

[Grufftoof]

And Arli, I agree with your post above.

But then it seems like common sense. And you can never be sure just how common that is.

[Amaryl]

Not to mention, the forums were opened up to attract more people instead of being the closed of clique...


anyway, I do hope you guys feel that this blockade will actually make you enjoy your own playtime more.

Since by stating and babbling how you're not going to give them attention and how you're going to "starve" them... You're giving them the drama they so crave for.

ganking is a 5 minute fun, knowing you completely ruined a person's playstyle will keep a smile on their face for days.

Good luck with this!

Imma do what i always do, /pvp on and RP where I want.

[Sonitus]

And Arli, I agree with your post above.

But then it seems like common sense

And...

Not to mention, the forums were opened up to attract more people instead of being the closed of clique...

Since by stating and babbling how you're not going to give them attention and how you're going to "starve" them... You're giving them the drama they so crave for.

Imma do what i always do, /pvp on and RP where I want.

I agree with all three of you. My main frustration since this situation arose was how much attention the gankers have been given from day one. It seems a lot of people blew the situation up, and things suddenly escalated as more and more disruption was caused.

And Amaryl... I need to remember to tick my PvP on more. Sometimes I'll be wandering the Bluff and suddenly go, "Oh!" /PvP. I remember one time just walking and a night elf blood death knight thought it was a smart move to attack me on a cliff edge... I'm a balance Druid by the way... Can be funny watching people spin in rage as they fly over a long drop after a failed gank; it's as though they think spinning the mouse fast enough will cause them to spontaneously take to flight.

[Guest]

I use an addon that switches on pvp, it's on Curse but i can't remember the exact name, search for auto pvp enabler. All level 85 Thorns are supposed to be pvp flagged all of the time as a guild rule.

I don't use it on my lesser geared rp alts tho!

[Grufftoof]

It does exactly what it says on the tin.

Since day one of the server every guild I've been in had a "pvp flagged always" rule. Though I do forget to re-switch it as it's not a permament flag anymore (was it ever? my brain is old...).

[Gilran]

I suggest everyone to stop saying anything regarding/ about Aboc, all our posts are being copied into public Blizzard forums.

This, basically.

That also implies for you, Cido.

[Amaryl]

It does exactly what it says on the tin.

Since day one of the server every guild I've been in had a "pvp flagged always" rule. Though I do forget to re-switch it as it's not a permament flag anymore (was it ever? my brain is old...).

yes it was permanent in vanilla/tbc..

it only gets turned off when entering dungeons, if you exit bgs, you're still flagged.

[Skarain]

I suggest everyone to stop saying anything regarding/ about Aboc, all our posts are being copied into public Blizzard forums.

[Vaell]

It's war, the enemy will hunt and kill you and if your light users or spirit healers return your life to you, the enemy will slay you again. That's war.

...
Yes, because that is what war is all about!

^ Spirit Healers are a game mechanic, when you die in WoW, you dont' have the "Oooo, spirit healer brought me back" in rp terms. If that were the case there would be no deaths in any of the wars and the entire world would be utterly overpopulated.

I've only rped in the North a few times (for extended periods) and all of those times we've had issues with Aboc. Yes, we can beat them in a fight. Yes, that can be fun once or twice. Believe it or not, however, people come on this server to RP and not have to PvP every single night for an hour straight.

"BUT VAELL, IT'S A RP-PVP"
Yes, I have been on several PvP servers and Scarshield Legion before (RP-PvP) never to encounter camping of such consistency. People who join this server want WPvP to an extent, but more so with other RP guilds. Aboc prevents that.

"But I've always had my PvP on from day one!"
That's great. Good job! But by turning it off you're doing other people in the community a favour. You see, for Northern RPers (Ironically the people against this are southrons!) are getting camped a lot. We've tried fighting them back and it leads to them losing out on RP time.


What people are failing to understand here is that none of the actions of Aboc are IC. "It is what war is like. Contested zones should be like that." No, we can create what war is like when we have fewer OOC ganking guilds. We can build contested WPvP through objective PvP - once they're gone.

As an additional point to that, go to a battleground if you're so hungry for PvP. I enjoy a bit of WPvP, granted I'd rather RP when it comes to OOC attacks, but I'm doing this because we're meant to be a community. Shape up and do the same. "I'll keep my PvP on." <--- that is called being a dick. Do it if you like, but the whole point of this is we turn it off for other RPers.


TL;DR - Stop being bell-cheddars and turn it off.

[Beladon]

I stand by what I say and will be personally forbidding this topic being discussed in guild chat as it has nearly led to drama, the likes of which I do not have the care or time for.

[Aweng]

/sign

The wardens aggree. I have made it clear to my guild that we stick to the Ebon Hold for the time being.

This does pretty much mean a severe decrease (if not the end) of Northern RP, so to the gm's of the Northern orders: "The Ebon hold is a sanctuary, and is quite spacious too."

We know that we isolate ourselfs, being a dk guild but just dont forget us and our wonderfull place of RP. Anyway since its RP, one can allways pretend the roof of the hold to be any place you want. (yes this is an OOC invite for EP roleplay)

To add a point to the discussion: Gankers use our mods against us so I think it is wise to disable the trp2 option " Appear on the map" so that if you choose to RP outdoors, you have a better chance at hiding.

< Signed, Hage timberston, High Warden of the Blade >

[Ixirar]

Two points:

It's lovely that you guys are making initiatives to stand together as a community, and out of courtesy I'm following in on the initiative (since I generally forget to turn blueshield off anyways and 95% of my RP happens in IF and SW anyways so /shrug), my guild is in on it and those that still haven't been instructed to do so will be told to not feed ABoC any attention.

However, I will not be a part of a community that attempts to FORCE their initiatives upon others. If DOL does not want to be forced to blueshield then LET THEM HAVE THEIR FLAG ON. I understand and sympathise with GLF and KOS since they have been suffering under ABoC, but all sympathi and support is gone if you go ahead and start a drama rant to make DOL blueshield against their will. In fact, to the extend that I am going to argue against blueshielding in the Technocratic Republic.

As much as I think ABoC are lame and believe the server would be better off without them, I value the freedom of the individual much higher than anything else and if DefiasRP is going to turn into a dictatorship under leadership of the carebears I will have to look for a new community to be part of.

I supported this initiative because blueshield isn't that big a deal to me and having it on won't hurt my gameplay, so I don't mind helping those of you out who would benefit from it, but if you are going to be so selfish as to DEMAND that everybody else changes their playstyle just so you can attempt to keep yours, I will still be fighting, but it will be against you.

I believe the rights of the individual outweighs the needs of the needy.

[Amaryl]

first group to fall at a hurdle...

Disciples of light. Westbrook Garrison.

blue-shield. no questions asked, just do it, as long as your flagged your fucking yourselves over.

Why i didn't spot this earlier xD?


I have to say, I like the way that you're demanding that we change our playstyle, just so you can eat your cake.
Simply because Aboc is preventing you from playing how you want, you feel justified to demand the same of us?

I don't see how i'm fucking myself over by being pvp tagged? If I don't mind being ganked or to corpse-run, how am I screwing myself over?

Here have a picture:

Spoiler:

[Guest]

And Arli, I agree with your post above.

But then it seems like common sense. And you can never be sure just how common that is.

"Uncommon" it seems from some quarters.

[Krogon Devilstep]

first group to fall at a hurdle...

Disciples of light. Westbrook Garrison.

blue-shield. no questions asked, just do it, as long as your flagged your fucking yourselves over.

Why i didn't spot this earlier xD?


I have to say, I like the way that you're demanding that we change our playstyle, just so you can eat your cake.
Simply because Aboc is preventing you from playing how you want, you feel justified to demand the same of us?

I don't see how i'm fucking myself over by being pvp tagged? If I don't mind being ganked or to corpse-run, how am I screwing myself over?

Here have a picture:

Spoiler:

I admire your determination. and, ordinarily, i would be pvp flagged at all times, a Habbit i' tend to continue over from the Red blade rule set i so love.

However, last night only one of them showed up at first. This loner was then attacked and chased off by a few folks, this got many people pvp flagged. He then Used mass summon, to bring numbers to bare against those who Flagged.

And then the rest is what you expect, they Killed those who were flagged... threw down some banners infront of the blue-shielders, got bored and ran after the PvP flagged folks. We was left in peace, Because they couldnt do anything to us.

I cant dictate to you how to play, oh no, not one bit. I can however point out the problem in your logic that Being flagged and with them present has any kind of point to it.

They dont respect your rules, They dont care about your game play, They just want to annoy You any way they can. When they come back, which they will, Dont be suprised when it begins to turn from an occasional corpse run, to being soley a corpse and your events impossible to be played out Because you dont know when its Wise to be flagged for w-pvp and when its madness because its griefing.

[Emrys]

I do not understand this need for a common consensus on how to deal with people you don't like. Everyone pays to play this game and they are well wihtin their right to do what they like. This goes for both PvPers and RPers. I do not feel like belonging to some clique that is trying to lay down rules on everyone, limiting them in playing this game. RP in safe zones if you do not feel like Pvping, this is the World of Warcraft, you can expect to have some safety within a friendly city's walls, but you cannot expect such when venturing outside.

Neither of my guilds is passive in their mindsets for me to let my city go undefended, at least, that is my view. When there is a fight to be had, I fight and I will do a good job at it. The fact that there is always danger lurking around the corner, is that not why you joined an RPPvP server? It was certainly an added part of the fun for me. Laying down rules for people to turn their pvp off and that they are obstructing others otherwise is nothing short of ludicrous.

[Krogon Devilstep]

I do not understand this need for a common consensus on how to deal with people you don't like. Everyone pays to play this game and they are well wihtin their right to do what they like. This goes for both PvPers and RPers. I do not feel like belonging to some clique that is trying to lay down rules on everyone, limiting them in playing this game. RP in safe zones if you do not feel like Pvping, this is the World of Warcraft, you can expect to have some safety within a friendly city's walls, but you cannot expect such when venturing outside.

Neither of my guilds is passive in their mindsets for me to let my city go undefended, at least, that is my view. When there is a fight to be had, I fight and I will do a good job at it. The fact that there is always danger lurking around the corner, is that not why you joined an RPPvP server? It was certainly an added part of the fun for me. Laying down rules for people to turn their pvp off and that they are obstructing others otherwise is nothing short of ludicrous.

Everyone here no doubt, me included, loves W-pvp. I love IC patrols, i love random clashes, i love un-expexted rogue attacks like what The vile thorns brought to Stromgarde a few weeks back.

what these individuals are bringing to us isnt W-pvp. Its targetted, determined harassment.

By no means does anyone have to follow these rules, they are not mandatory and anything i say or the community meeting came up with is not gospel law. in fact if you dont have to, good for you. But if you should start to suffer or feel targeted... then give them a try.

[Vaell]

No one is trying to lay down rules! If Blue-shielding helps the community, why not do it? The way I see it is that I put down my pvp for a month and then pick it up again for IC battles when we can start arranging proper WPvP!

Seiken may be coming on too strongly but I think it is due to passion more than anything else - you don't have to blueshield, but if it helps the community to do so, please do it!

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