[community] In response to the griefer community meeting.

[Lexgrad]

Hai, Rather than discuss things in a thread that is about /signing on I thought we could do it here and mostly how we can cope with the code suggested ic.

My one thought is that we roll this out as a general recall to Stormwind for training/war purposes pre-Mop. As we can assume that the cata lore is all IC we are now in a place that twilight are being packed up and the military can set eyes on Garrosh! So that could be the general theme, recalling leaders and troops to Stormwind to set up a united Alliance force for the comming storm.

Perhaps if there are any bad guys or guys who want to be bad guys we could set up a simple revolt story in say Westfall, Elwynn or even the Cities of Stormwind/Ironforge. MAybe dress it as a Horde or twilight inspired trouble and have the army in Ally lines have a policing/counter insergancy action. What do you think generally? Could you get into this? It might feel abit artifical but im sure we could get it to work, even get alts to act as the trouble makers and take it inturn raiding and interacting with different guilds.

As we are all going to be South lets have a damned good adventure and include it all, use every house/tower and town from Moonbrook to Kharanos and have one huge party together!

[Laindo Dumon]

Just something to point out, I think a few people were thinking of falling back to IF instead, since most of the northern guilds have some good relations with the dwarves, plus it makes more sense since it is the closest city as well.

Still seems like a good idea to have an IC reason, and I think it would make for some good rp regardless, jsut maybe we'd be a bit more centered around IF instead

[Lexgrad]

I think it is a totally good idea to make use of the places we have open to us. IF/SW/Darnassius/that Draenei night club with the shinning shandaler.

We dont need to think in terms of IF//SW RP but IF and SW RP. They are but one train track apart and there is no reason both can not grow together during this time.

[Seranita]

Just something to point out, I think a few people were thinking of falling back to IF instead, since most of the northern guilds have some good relations with the dwarves, plus it makes more sense since it is the closest city as well.

Still seems like a good idea to have an IC reason, and I think it would make for some good rp regardless, jsut maybe we'd be a bit more centered around IF instead

dwarfs hate the warderns and would see us dead beffor accepting us into there bastion *sniffs* but on another note... if the warderns were accepted as the "undead" force alliance and negosiators of any majour sw training force for the horde then send an ic letter to:

Ambassador Shentin Willow
Warderns of the Blade
Ebon hold
Eastern pluagelands
Eastern Kindoms
Azeroth

same adress for anything else to do with the warderns

[Cid]

Nah, we only hate if you break our laws (legal ones, natural ones and the laws of physics). Otherwise you're welcome

[Guest]

Have to say, this initiative looks like it will increase the rp on Alliance side with all the rp guilds drawn to common locations for this nicely thought out valid reason. Deprive the griefers and increase the rp, nice one!

[Thelos]

Speaking on behalf of myself, I must say that I would rather stay in Shattrath with the Draenei community, rather than to move to Stormwind without a good reason. We've got a good thing going on here, and our isolation from the Stormwind community has managed us to become, I feel, more Draenic.

I feel this point extends to more than just Shattrath. After all, besides Shattrath, we have Dalaran, Ironforge with Khaz Modan, Darnassus with Teldrassil, and the Exodar with Azuremyst isle. There is no need to restrict ourselves to any one tight location.

The gates of Shattrath are wide open though. After all, it is supposed to offer shelter to refugees.

[Frostfeather]

The more I think about this the more it annoys me though. Not the solution but the problem.

It is so very logical that these situations will occur and continue to occur on rp-pvp realms. The bastard child of the beautiful RP and entertaining PVP. The RP-PVP realms are the only realms with a rule set and mechanics that can allow anti-communities to establish and flourish. You can't disrupt a raid from outside the raid, you can't destroy a RBG from the outside, there are rules against disrupting RP. And there are no opportunities to gank extensively on any other type of realm (because or rules and/or the lack of players outside capitols) but on RP-PVP realms there is a loophole - "it is not disrupting RP, it is pvp".

It is only logical that those that get a kick out of griefing flocks to rp-pvp realms. They are young, they are angry and they don't fit in. They are not patient enough to be raiders, not dedicated enough to make it in pvp and not imaginative enough to RP. A RP-PVP realm is like the forgotten house on the outskirts of town where they can trash the windows and spray dirty words on the walls. Exiting enough since you are not supposed to but still safe since nobody cares.

Annoying!

Where do I send my angry email?

[Thelos]

Where do I send my angry email?

Blizzard.

[Jeanpierre]

As a side note... No more banishings of "bad guys" if you endorse this ganker policy. You can't ask all people to come in blue zones and then send them out ICly

[Ixirar]

On a side note to your side note, bad guys behave when in SW or they should be booted out. Westfall is supposedly the shithole of the Stormwind Kingdom so bad guys can go there if they can't behave.

[Krogon Devilstep]

The more I think about this the more it annoys me though. Not the solution but the problem.

It is so very logical that these situations will occur and continue to occur on rp-pvp realms. The bastard child of the beautiful RP and entertaining PVP. The RP-PVP realms are the only realms with a rule set and mechanics that can allow anti-communities to establish and flourish. You can't disrupt a raid from outside the raid, you can't destroy a RBG from the outside, there are rules against disrupting RP. And there are no opportunities to gank extensively on any other type of realm (because or rules and/or the lack of players outside capitols) but on RP-PVP realms there is a loophole - "it is not disrupting RP, it is pvp".

It is only logical that those that get a kick out of griefing flocks to rp-pvp realms. They are young, they are angry and they don't fit in. They are not patient enough to be raiders, not dedicated enough to make it in pvp and not imaginative enough to RP. A RP-PVP realm is like the forgotten house on the outskirts of town where they can trash the windows and spray dirty words on the walls. Exiting enough since you are not supposed to but still safe since nobody cares.

Annoying!

Where do I send my angry email?

Something i have been thinking on quite extensively these last few days. Perhaps, we may have to adapt to this in turn... For too long The Alliance has been comfortable RP'ing in contested zones like they own them. In my opinion it has to stop, or this will just happen all over again...

[Zhakiri]

I suppose with MoP coming up, which supposedly is bringing the War back in Warcraft, we can embrace the danger as Lore and turn the grief that is meant to harm our RP into the very thing that fuels it.

[Frostfeather]

I suppose with MoP coming up, which supposedly is bringing the War back in Warcraft.

That have been said before every expansion though.

[Zhakiri]

MoP more so is meant to be about Horde/Alliance hostility.

[Frostfeather]

They used the exact same phrase: "war back into warcraft" before wrath. It then referred to wintergrasp and that place in Grizzly hills where nobody ever was.

Pretty sure I heard it around Cataclysm launch as well.

I have to see it before I believe it.

[Ixirar]

Cataclysm was meant to bring the war back into warcraft. Phrased exactly that way by Metzen himself.

There's nothing in MOP that does it any better than what Cataclysm has done so far, aside from the fact that there's no big enemy. So far, I've been through the Jade Forest, the Valley of Four Winds, Kun-lai Summit(briefly)and Townlong Steppes. From an alliance point of view, Jade Forest had some horde confrontation, rest of the zones had NONE AT ALL and Kun-lai Summit had some quest where I had to prove to Xuen that I am capable of putting down my grudges with the horde. Also, Anduin being a bitch and pleading peace and love all over the world.

[siegmund]

On a side note to your side note, bad guys behave when in SW or they should be booted out. Westfall is supposedly the shithole of the Stormwind Kingdom so bad guys can go there if they can't behave.

You're just trying o gather us in one place and then drop a nuke. I'm not falling for your trickery we shall terrorize from the safety shadows!

[Ixirar]

Good criminal, have a cookie!

[Zhakiri]

You're missing the point, I'm not debating whether MoP will be any better for PvP than Wrath or Cata. What I am saying is that throughout the storyline, Horde Alliance relations are at an all time low. This is meant to be the expansion when Lorewise it's Horde vs Alliance all the way rather than Horde and Alliance vs Mutual foe.

My point is, if this is the case, the ganking and griefing that is driving us out of contested zones could be a driving force behind this sense of danger in the world, a growing hostility. My main point is that instead of ruining our RP with their actions, how infuriated would they be, if infact, they enhanced it.

[Ixirar]

MY point is that so far I'm level 89 and I've been fighting "mutual foes" alongside "mutual allies" 90% of the time up to this point.

[Zhakiri]

Well we shall see, all I am postulating is what I have been led to believe. Regardless I think it is important to use what is going on as an RP aid rather than let the gankers ruin everything.

[Zathoroz]

You're just trying o gather us in one place and then drop a nuke. I'm not falling for your trickery we shall terrorize from the safety shadows!

Well said, come to the garrison, we disciples have not fallen for their tricks either!

[Cid]

Frostfeather, perhaps you and me could work out a suggestion I've been pondering on, since you also have noted the loophole in the "realm rules". Give a shout to me sometime, either here or ingame (preferably ingame) if you're curious.

[Ixirar]

Just a note here.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1161301-So-I-just-got-suspended-for-PvP-labeled-as-griefing?p=17581760#post17581760

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