Re: DefiasRP: For Community or Moderators?

[Geldar]

Please Coppersocket, don't flex your moral authority over me anymore, I promise I will go away before you write more angry posts. Though its eating me from the inside, if I don't go away, what can you actually do about it?

[Amaryl]

Burgen! stop trying to remove one of my sources for mindless entertainment!

[Khendran]

Oh this thread.

I thought mod bashing was so 2011 and Council bashing was the hip thing again.

Council bashing never went out of fashion. Mod bashing seems to be making a decent return though, true that!

Burgen! stop trying to remove one of my sources for mindless entertainment!

QFT.

[Coppersocket]

Please Coppersocket, don't flex your moral authority over me anymore, I promise I will go away before you write more angry posts. Though its eating me from the inside, if I don't go away, what can you actually do about it?

Thanks for proving a point, please continue.
Although I didn't ask you to behave like a kid, it'll certainly help your case I'm sure.
Now, let's just await a proper answer shall we? Want to hold hands?

[Geldar]

Thanks for the offer, but will have to decline. And case? You cannot fathom how little that matters for me. However, given that it is my character, my account and etc, I will decide where to go and what to do with my game time, not you, or anyone else for that matter, regardless of how much you try to flex your apparent moral authority which is clearly based on knowing me so well even though you said you don't. Please continue.

[Krogon Devilstep]

Thanks for the offer, but will have to decline. And case? You cannot fathom how little that matters for me. However, given that it is my character, my account and etc, I will decide where to go and what to do with my game time, not you, or anyone else for that matter, regardless of how much you try to flex your apparent moral authority which is clearly based on knowing me so well even though you said you don't. Please continue.

Actually its because your jackass who isnt a member of thois community lording it up over folks who disagree with you.

this just confirmed something i thought about the mods of this forum for a while, i'm done... ciao.

enjoy your clique.

[Zalissa]

I'm suddenly back in high school again.

[Lexgrad]

My fav bit is "You may have done WPVP events in the past, but that does not account for the present." whilst really old Defias grudges are being ploughed.

[Tso/Feloreth]

Oh dear, and I thought this forum would be around to celebrate it's third birthday... I guess not

[Ixirar]

It'll be around. It's been like this since forever.

[Coppersocket]

Thanks for the offer, but will have to decline. And case? You cannot fathom how little that matters for me. However, given that it is my character, my account and etc, I will decide where to go and what to do with my game time, not you, or anyone else for that matter, regardless of how much you try to flex your apparent moral authority which is clearly based on knowing me so well even though you said you don't. Please continue.

So you think you're better than everyone else, and everyone should fit to YOUR desires?
Saihna? I'm sorry, but you're a fucking dumb ass if you think this sort of person is fit to moderate these forums, and the rest of you- for allowing someone with this sort of personality to be a part of the council for so goddamn long.
Why are people accepting you? Are people really this blind? My view of you remains unchanged. You're a fucking tosser. You should be uncrowned from your fucking position in this community and thrown back to the dirt where you belong.

You are not superior to anyone here, and no, you cannot simply choose what you do with your time if it's something like this. This is the community we're talking about, not your fancy idea of what you want to do. If you want to masturbate in your free time, feel free, if you want to RP in your free time, feel free. But don't fucking think you're some sort of king of a community you're not fucking part of.

A selfish cunt is what you've always been, and always will be- and how anyone has ever looked up to you in any regard other than WPVP is something that I seriously question. You shouldn't even be allowed on the forums by all rights, as this is a DEFIAS BROTHERHOOD ROLEPLAYING COMMUNITY FORUM, not a ARGENT DAWN ROLEPLAYING COMMUNITY FORUM

This community is NOT your plaything, it involves way too many people for you to think you can have whatever position you like without any sort of consequence. This, all this, needs to stop. You need to be forgotten until you can prove that you're actually worth keeping in mind.

My fav bit is "You may have done WPVP events in the past, but that does not account for the present." whilst really old Defias grudges are being ploughed.

The daft speak like the ignorant idiot he is. Yes, clearly I have no point in what I'm saying, clearly I'm just some fucking clown to make fun of. Clearly my statements are laughable, because they're fucking true. Yup, Fucking brilliant Lexgrad.

How about you start using that rotten brain of yours for a moment, or has it decayed THAT much? Old grudges? What old grudges? I CLEARLY stated this had nothing to do with the old, I even stated that I may have had a wrong impression of him because of my inexperience with him, yet you STILL write this? Come on.

How you people as a community does not voice your opinion on this is just so fucking sad. For all that you bitch and moan about, you sure can't seem to voice your word once it's actually needed.

My question remains. Why is Geldar in the position he's in? Someone clarify this. Because that question has not been answered, and looking at things as they are now, I have no hopes of anyone actually answering because nobody fucking knows. Nobody fucking cares.

This is about OUR community, each and everyone has a voice here. It should not be hard to see the massive flaws in this.

[Grim]

*munches popcorn*

[Ixirar]

Coppersocket is my voice from now on. I'm just gonna stop posting and let this statement be a disclaimer that whatever he feels like saying, I agree.

[Rae Wulfgnar]

what can you actually do about it?

This is an awful attitude to take.

Coppersocket is the voice of the community!

[Lexgrad]

Thanks for the offer, but will have to decline. And case? You cannot fathom how little that matters for me. However, given that it is my character, my account and etc, I will decide where to go and what to do with my game time, not you, or anyone else for that matter, regardless of how much you try to flex your apparent moral authority which is clearly based on knowing me so well even though you said you don't. Please continue.

So you think you're better than everyone else, and everyone should fit to YOUR desires?
Saihna? I'm sorry, but you're a fucking dumb ass if you think this sort of person is fit to moderate these forums, and the rest of you- for allowing someone with this sort of personality to be a part of the council for so goddamn long.
Why are people accepting you? Are people really this blind? My view of you remains unchanged. You're a fucking tosser. You should be uncrowned from your fucking position in this community and thrown back to the dirt where you belong.

You are not superior to anyone here, and no, you cannot simply choose what you do with your time if it's something like this. This is the community we're talking about, not your fancy idea of what you want to do. If you want to masturbate in your free time, feel free, if you want to RP in your free time, feel free. But don't fucking think you're some sort of king of a community you're not fucking part of.

A selfish cunt is what you've always been, and always will be- and how anyone has ever looked up to you in any regard other than WPVP is something that I seriously question. You shouldn't even be allowed on the forums by all rights, as this is a DEFIAS BROTHERHOOD ROLEPLAYING COMMUNITY FORUM, not a ARGENT DAWN ROLEPLAYING COMMUNITY FORUM

This community is NOT your plaything, it involves way too many people for you to think you can have whatever position you like without any sort of consequence. This, all this, needs to stop. You need to be forgotten until you can prove that you're actually worth keeping in mind.

My fav bit is "You may have done WPVP events in the past, but that does not account for the present." whilst really old Defias grudges are being ploughed.

The daft speak like the ignorant idiot he is. Yes, clearly I have no point in what I'm saying, clearly I'm just some fucking clown to make fun of. Clearly my statements are laughable, because they're fucking true. Yup, Fucking brilliant Lexgrad.

How about you start using that rotten brain of yours for a moment, or has it decayed THAT much? Old grudges? What old grudges? I CLEARLY stated this had nothing to do with the old, I even stated that I may have had a wrong impression of him because of my inexperience with him, yet you STILL write this? Come on.

How you people as a community does not voice your opinion on this is just so fucking sad. For all that you bitch and moan about, you sure can't seem to voice your word once it's actually needed.

My question remains. Why is Geldar in the position he's in? Someone clarify this. Because that question has not been answered, and looking at things as they are now, I have no hopes of anyone actually answering because nobody fucking knows. Nobody fucking cares.

This is about OUR community, each and everyone has a voice here. It should not be hard to see the massive flaws in this.

Grow up and open your eyes, this is all about old and stupid, cancerous brainless grudges. DB RP is all about that. I missed the sowing of the seed, i was not here but me and loads of other guys who dont care about a hand full of peoples old grudges weekly have to be apart of its harvest. Defias drowns in old guard being dickheads over old stuff. This is no different.

Fucking stupid children on here, im done with it.

[Cathee Norris]

Please, pretty please, can you take personal issues through PM's? This issue is in itself complicated as it is. It does not need more to add to it. If you wonder why Geldar is a moderator here you are welcome to PM and question me, but I can not speak for in game as I am not playing right now.

I suggest everyone just take a breather and watch a movie or something. Getting this worked up over a game and a forum of a game is beyond silly.

[Nessra Sunwhisper]

Can't imagine Ephitos having been much worse than all the rage that is going on in this thread by people who are still enjoying their posting rights.
Not that their bickering bothers me, as I don't believe in cencorship.

Anyway, I agree with whoever it was who suggested a trial period. And maybe block him from general/game related if it makes things feel "safer" in the beginning. It's just a few button presses anyway, and very easy to cancel if he doesn't live up to expectations.

[Vardrek/Burgen]

Official blizzard defias brotherhood forums not looking more attractive yet?

[Vaell]

DO NOT LOCK THIS THREAD PLEASE, IT IS HEALTHIER TO GET THIS OUT RATHER THAN LOCK IT AWAY FOR ANOTHER THREAD TO BURST OPEN.


Right.

Ephitos issue:
Meanwhile solution, seperate the two sections of the forum and allow him back onto the IC bit. In time he can come back to the OOC one but for now, this would benefit the RP community of Alliance, so out of the moderating team, I'm not sure how many of you are Alliance but it ill favours us not to do this. Please be helpful in that regard.

Geldar issue:
I've heard you've done a lot for the server. I appreciate it. I do. But the positions you hold don't really have that "honour title" that you should have, but instead hold a lot of responsibility for current RPers. I'd like to address two things with you and I do believe they need to be altered.
Moderator position; I am not sure who else on the mod team doesn't play anymore. I think Ledgic doesn't, but I can't be sure. Being a moderator here is a responsibility that requires an active role in the community so that you can understand the goings on and keep up with topics so that you can give a logical opinion / understand the difference between a heated debate or malicious argument. I have been active for the past year since I joined this forum and, not being the only one, I've never rped with you outside of council so your voice on matters doesn't seem like a prominant one for me.

Council position; this is my problem with your character. MoP has finally brought war to WoW that we can actively follow. Being the general of warfare or w.e Geldar's title is, comes with a heavy responsibility ICly which I think you rather need to give up AD for it, spending far less time there, or hand it over ICly and be a "consultant" of sorts. This would allow someone who is far more active in the community to be able to organise war events and upcoming battles, along with being an active member of the community not just in the council sessions. I'd like to see a general actually go down and visit the Disciples, explaining what is needed of them. Or speaking to regiment soldiers etc. Also, a lot of matters that are brought up at council require a bit of knowledge of the current events.

I do appreciate that you may have done a lot in the past, but atm you seem like you're hoarding a position that another could do better. This isn't a slight at you, I just think that you need to let go of that or take up the role in a big way.

This is not our forum. This is Saihna's forum. But like I said earlier, we're not forced to be here. We choose to be here and therefore it is a scratch my back, scratch yours situation.

I've personally been on a Star Wars forum that fell apart due to a mod vs public battle, it'd be a shame to see it happen here.

[Coppersocket]

Please, pretty please, can you take personal issues through PM's? This issue is in itself complicated as it is. It does not need more to add to it. If you wonder why Geldar is a moderator here you are welcome to PM and question me, but I can not speak for in game as I am not playing right now.

I suggest everyone just take a breather and watch a movie or something. Getting this worked up over a game and a forum of a game is beyond silly.

No, I will NOT take it to PM. Are you that fucking insecure that you can't even voice WHY Geldar is a moderator to the Community?

You're a fucking disgrace Saihna. This is not a personal matter, this is a matter that has an effect on the entire group of people that are here on this forum, they- like me have a right to know this. Don't fucking try to hide behind curtains.

Answer my goddamn question woman.

I just wish those that actually agree with me could actually leave a note so people can actually see that I'm not alone in this. I want to see both sides of the coin here. We're a community. Please, speak the fuck up.

[Vardrek/Burgen]

FIGHT TO THE DEATH! Place your bets naow!

P.s the otter is awesome......that is all.

[Ledgic]

Just to slide in here,

Howdy Vaell. I do indeed still play, I'm just pretty spread out character wise. I'm on and around pretty much everyday and attending events on other characters etc.

While I can understand the frustration regarding the council positions and people not playing their ministers for long enough, do bare in mind that they are currently working on improving all of that. Sometimes you find yourself sticking to the position for the wrong reasons (such as I did) and it can become difficult to let go of it, even if you're demotivated.

I can't speak for Geldar, at any rate.

Also, Copper - I can understand you wanting some sort of answer (One that I can't provide you either) but as an honest question: I can understand people's potential issues with characters holding high positions when they aren't around etc, etc. However, can I ask how his not being around much on Defias effects his ability to perform admin duties? He doesn't really even moderate. This isn't a dig or whatever, I'm curious.

[Cathee Norris]

The Ephitos issue is being discussed, even though it may not be concluded as of yet due to not all moderators being on to say their part. All suggestions have been taken into account, so rest assure we do see them, and we do consider what everyone has to say in the matter.

As for the Geldar part, the reason why I think it should be taken in PM is because much of what you bring up are things that are being discussed in different group-forums and such alike - along with the moderator forum regarding updated and changes to the forum. These are things I can not really begin to work on until I have the time and economy to get active both here and in WoW again (which will be possible in January).

Issues like these are best taken in PM, since what I just explained - some of the things people are bringing up are being discussed already. And it is not fun being pointed out like this, which makes the target defensive and thus the drama is on.

Again, anyone having questions for me are very welcome to PM me. I promise I won't bite.

[Geldar]

See, Vaell. Now that is a constructive post without swearing and insults that I'd love to answer. For the moderation issue, I explained earlier that I am not a Mod but an Admin that does technical work like forum/group maintance (I learned how the site works inside out over the years, and that is why I am doing it, the way it works is through a completely different site you access and work through to get results here, and it is not just a drop down menu you click for things, so yeah that is why I've been picked for the task), I do not get involved in community issues because I am detached and I have already said that.

As for the Council, the reason for why I was holding off from leaving for so long was to see things pick up again and get new people before moving on to other projects. For the past year or so before MoP hit and we got some new people I was more or less the only active member that gathered the current ones (And the members of the Council who were part of it then can confirm that or well, the ones that were gathered along the way during that period!). I wanted a stable structure and active people who would not abandon the concept the moment they got bored of it or the RP around it, and the thing with this is that it is very, very hard to find people like that. No title or power hoarding, just a bloody minded refusal to let it go to hell before it is stable after so many years of work on it.

And yes, I know I am not active before someone else mentions it again. And yes, all the things you say/said I am aware of. And there is always the fact that there is no point in doing something if it is not fun anymore, yes? Yes. And my time is still my own to decide how and where to invest it, regardless of what some of the above might want to suggest. Also, Coppersocket or whomever you are, insulting people to get your answers will provide you with nothing, really. Actually, it can provide you with a warning from a Moderator.

[Nessra Sunwhisper]

I have to say I agree with Coppersockets statements (although leaving the insults away).

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