[IC] Exile Order for the Ebon Shroud

(( Don't worry, IC just play along and win the trial. That'll put those council bastards in their place!

As much as I see your point about being forced into the situation, the Shroud are a dangerous guild and ICly not trusted by most. There is a silent disclaimer that upon joining them you've gotta be aware that bad shit can happen.))

erwtenpeller wrote:(( Fun how you say that I should use this to enrich my character, while a big portion of what my character is about is that she aides the living. This is a story that is now being forced on me by events I took no part in.

Childishly put it's just not fair. It is uncourteous, and it is quite simply bad RP manners.

That some people like to play council does not give them the right to direct my character.

(( You're targetted by association to those people you call leaders Yes. I see how it stinks, how it sucks, but its part of joining a head butting shady guild. Yes you are held partly responsible for the actions of the organisation as you belong to that organisation.

Honestly, I will not advocate leaving the Shroud since the purpose of RP isn't to break up guilds, but if your guild plays on the edge of what can be ignored and what not, And the actions we're talking about are made by leaders of the Shroud in name of the Shroud By Being part of the Shroud, that will reflect on every member of the Shroud... ))

erwtenpeller wrote:(( That's very nice and all, but the bottom line is a story is being forced on my character that I did not sign up for. Now if the banishment included jumping camp from the shroud to stormwind without punishment then at least a choice is given. Now it's sort of: "Yeah some guildies of yours did some things when you where away for a weekend and eeh... Yeah if your character sets foot in stormwind, we're killing it."

Imagine if I wouldn't have had a forum account and been away from the guild for a couple of days. The Acherus may be a little slow so I decide to hop on my dead griffon and woddle around stormwind for some random rp, BAM, suddenly I'm in chains and being persecuted for things I didn't do nor knew anything about.

I'll roll with it, sure, but I still think it's bullshit. ))

((I understand your feelings, however the banish one person thing, I would bring up for example the Crimson Flame, or the evil Scarlet Crusade, as an order. They had to be banished. However there is a choice, if your character was to leave the shroud, and if as you say she has commited no crime, she won't be charged for being a former member of the Shroud.))

I also sympathize with the shroud-members. Shroud was never advertised as an Evil Guild, so it being outlawed is a shock and disrupts the plans of the characters. If you had joined the then you would've been ready.

But do not forget that you don't have a tag above your head. If nobody knows you are a shroudie and you don't wear a tabard then you can walk about no problem, and let those who accuse you prove that you are a member! IF anybody asks, you are just that alchemist from Acherus!

((You made a choice by joining the guild. The guild repeatedly (not over a weekend) did horrible things within Stormwind's Nation. The Guild is punished for their acts, a guild you willingly joined. You can not blame it on others. Be a roleplayer and take it as it comes. And Anaei mentioned the possible ways out of it. Which was stated in the IC poster too!))

Ohh. Ohhhh!! Is defias woorkin at work at last?? Anyway yeah. This does suck but as a law abiding dk. Shentin having just joins the shroud due to ic sircumstancies is now banashed having done nothing. As such she is going to watch things in sw and is highly likley to start sending letters to various council members and mabie an open letter.. I feel for you delli. This is twice shenny the dk has been banished now. Once with the brotherhood of the hold which most will remember and now.. Shentin was already the smeeky one and she has already hidden her tabard.. Put on some ice warded clothes to hide her ice problem and is going to try and find out what happend... Eather way as far as shenny understands.. Any do who tries to leave the shroud gets executed..that poster she saw also makes her thing as is also a death sentence. She is now In addition in hiding with am old boyfriend(no she lost her feelings for him on death but she recognized that they were an item beffor death so she trusts him more than this shroud she is locked into at the mo)))

( This brings another guild to my mind that was banished as well, Don't stay and SW and go "I didn't do anything, my guild did it, i want to stay here!" It would just be bad for you. I know how it is....)

Hense shentin herself is likley to make a personal appeal for self circumstance. As she has no ic criminal record or has ever been suspected of any crimes.. She is hoping that an appeal will grant her at least supervised acsess. I will do an open ic post on the matter soon... She has had an idea that could also help the law abiding dk's whilst letting the living persicute the dk's that flout the law. More to come...))((ps... Is it defias that's buggers of is it just me. Server keeps not responding. It's taken so many tries to send this!!))

It is always optional to join a guild or not, if the guild does things IC that your character cannot accept then it seems odd to remain in such a group?

Also being a DK isn't as "easy" as being a regular citizen, most dislike or even hate them, no matter what your stance is IC. They are for sure judged harder IC which is totally natural, if you cannot take such consequences then it might be better to RP a more "normal" character.

I'll agree Maelmoor, but there is an issue there: many events and action in RP is still guild steered. Without joining one guild or another, you're likely going to miss out on some action.
And what choices does a DK of her disposition have?

Jeanpierre/Ragnilde wrote:I'll agree Maelmoor, but there is an issue there: many events and action in RP is still guild steered. Without joining one guild or another, you're likely going to miss out on some action.
And what choices does a DK of her disposition have?

How's that an issue? They're banned from Stormwind, their events will be somewhere else. She won't lose out on their events. If she want SW events maybe a DK guild isn't her calling?

I can understand that two times in a row banished from the "main RP hub" can cut you. But as people mentioned, there are ways out and how to work around, plus what Maelmoore said.

Additionally here's this comparison; While the Light orders are not banished from Stormwind, a story is forced on them too, following your logic. Think about the posters not long ago. All the Lighties are treat the same and chased by farmers with pitcforks, no matter if you just joined your order, have never done anything bad, or you're a true fanatic.
They could as well complain OOC, but they choose to integrate it in their RP instead.

Just try not to take the whole so personally.

.. Being banned from Stormwind by the authorities does not mean you can't enter Stormwind. Just stay under the radar. If you aren't caught, no one will ever know you were in town.

Melnerag wrote:I also sympathize with the shroud-members. Shroud was never advertised as an Evil Guild, so it being outlawed is a shock and disrupts the plans of the characters. If you had joined the then you would've been ready.

But do not forget that you don't have a tag above your head. If nobody knows you are a shroudie and you don't wear a tabard then you can walk about no problem, and let those who accuse you prove that you are a member! IF anybody asks, you are just that alchemist from Acherus!

((We are not an evil guild, we killed no one and have no real connection to any cult. This is down to every week people QQing in council, some of the crimes being "making noise and glaring at people, and getting paladins to help us remove a threat, petty shit. There was no necromancy or murders or cultism and most importantly there was no proof other than bleating to geldar and his word. I assumed the week was given so the council would get intouch but we have heard nothing at all, from anyone, kinda like being executed on a godmote, you would rather people would get your exile done right. IC I got no poblems, however OOC I would have expected a better quality from all involved as this seems pretty poor really, petty and smacks of a popularity contest.

As to IF, tbh I would not be missing much there anyway however ic being ic some message would be good rather than a throw away ooc line in a random post.

Faralan wrote:

Jeanpierre/Ragnilde wrote:I'll agree Maelmoor, but there is an issue there: many events and action in RP is still guild steered. Without joining one guild or another, you're likely going to miss out on some action.
And what choices does a DK of her disposition have?

How's that an issue? They're banned from Stormwind, their events will be somewhere else. She won't lose out on their events. If she want SW events maybe a DK guild isn't her calling?

((The issue being that there's not many choices to make as a DK. There's a handful of Light guilds. There's not that liberty in DK guilds. If your only choice available deviates from what you'd do, you'd find yourself alone pretty quick.
I mean.. What guild would you pick as a DK seeking redemption, if not this guild? I can't think of one. Anethion would kill them as initiation ritual. DoL refuses them. Stormwind regiment... uhh... guess that "could" work. A criminal guild? A mercenary guild? A noble guild?
Lightbringers perhaps... Dunno.

This guild is ideal for such a character. It also delivers a good discussion platform OOCly to debate DK RP in general, which is something I certainly would appreciate if I were to roll one. And... as Maelmoor and Lexy mentioned: they never affiliated as evil or havoc-wrecking crew.))

Lexgrad wrote:IC I got no poblems, however OOC I would have expected a better quality from all involved as this seems pretty poor really, petty and smacks of a popularity contest.

This.

Say, Lexy, what if we just go all evil and murder the council next week? I'm pretty sure we could do that.

Ahh rampant Arrogant ingorance to Consequences <3

You know there were Nazi's who made similar complaints as this...

"it was the other guys, i didnt do any of those things!"

uh-huh...

"but you knew it was happening and did -NOTHING- while taking your leasure in our land..."

Sorry, But Theres a reason men burned their nazi uniforms and flags after the war. If you dont want to be punished for the crimes of affilates, DONT be affilated, its pretty dam obvious.

I would of expected a better dammed Quality of Maturity when it came to Crime and punishment.

Ladies and gentlemen, the voice of ignorance! ^^

Krogon Devilstep wrote:"but you knew it was happening and did -NOTHING- while taking your leasure in our land..."

One assumption too many. Otherwise I'd agree that one plays by the flag he carries on his tabard.
But this is RP, not RL. It wouldn't have hurt discussing it OOCly before taking such a measure. It's a pretty damn big impact on someone's RP. If that was not done.

Krogon Devilstep wrote:

Lexgrad wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, the voice of ignorance! ^^

Well atleast you admit your fault = /

((I am curious that someone who knows nothing about the situation feels in a situation to way in with Nazi metaphore.))

((We are not an evil guild, we killed no one and have no real connection to any cult. This is down to every week people QQing in council, some of the crimes being "making noise and glaring at people, and getting paladins to help us remove a threat, petty shit. There was no necromancy or murders or cultism and most importantly there was no proof other than bleating to geldar and his word. I assumed the week was given so the council would get intouch but we have heard nothing at all, from anyone, kinda like being executed on a godmote, you would rather people would get your exile done right. IC I got no poblems, however OOC I would have expected a better quality from all involved as this seems pretty poor really, petty and smacks of a popularity contest.

As to IF, tbh I would not be missing much there anyway however ic being ic some message would be good rather than a throw away ooc line in a random post.

(( You stored unholy items in Dun Garok, assaulted guards, threatened to kill the Sergeant of Ironforge guard, diseased Gryphons, killed rams, failed to cooperate within Ironforge and insulted the senate openly several times. I believe the dwarves has enough reasons to actually banish the Shrouds, however, we have not, simply reinforced the laws considering -all- death knights. ))

Lexgrad wrote:

Krogon Devilstep wrote:

Lexgrad wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, the voice of ignorance! ^^

Well atleast you admit your fault = /

((I am curious that someone who knows nothing about the situation feels in a situation to way in with Nazi metaphore.))

Cause and effect.

You and your guild did stupid things.... their getting punished for it.

And i know plenty, i sit in on councils regularly, and see a fair amount. not my fault you dont know its me. *shrug*

((W/E the dwarves were faultless ofc. My point still stands however, an IC note would be nice))

Krogon Devilstep wrote:

Lexgrad wrote:

Krogon Devilstep wrote:

Lexgrad wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, the voice of ignorance! ^^

Well atleast you admit your fault = /

((I am curious that someone who knows nothing about the situation feels in a situation to way in with Nazi metaphore.))

Cause and effect.

You and your guild did stupid things.... their getting punished for it.

And i know plenty, i sit in on councils regularly, and see a fair amount. not my fault you dont know its me. *shrug*

What was the cause of the Exile then?

eta Still waiting Krogon.

Sorry about my earlier posts, I take back any insults I've made. I have assumed that a) Ebon Shroud indeed been naughty and b) this banishment was agreed on and handled properly.

Out-of-the-blue banishment without consulting the leadership OOCly is indeed unacceptible. I've been victim of one as well >_>