The Azerothian Parliament ( Alliance ) An Idea

Alright so I study politics and thought I could apply some knowledge in-game.

Part I
There is an ambassador of every nation, there is a council / committee / circle / senate etc. for every race.
But I always thought there should be this mass meeting of every race, once a month, with five elected representatives from every race.
For example,
From the Humans 5 elected humans come forward, from the dwarves 5 members come forward, from the Draenei 5 members come forward, from the Night elves and etc.
So anywho that should equal 25 members in total.
These 25 members will be the Alliance Azerothian Parliament.
All members will be accordingly highly ranked civil servants, or even newly elected people.
This parliament will consist of fresh idea's brought forth for the benefit of the Alliance as a whole. It will hold no power over war mongering or land grabbing, but instead focus on things like Foreign affairs with the Horde, Land Cultivation, Industry, Economy, inspection of the armed forces , and fresh idea's from every race swapped between each other.
The main aim of this to be would to create RP and also conflicting In Character scenarios.

Part II
In this parliament there will be people who share idea's , so they might want to form parties. And if parties are formed, say for example a "Workers Party", and it has 13 members, then it can align itself with a similar party with similar idea's to it. And then those two parties will run this "Parliament / Government", whilst the remaining members who did not make it will form an opposition.

Main Rules
A parliament member cannot hold another office inside his native state. That's called Absenteeism.
A parliament member has to respect every other member present, or he will not have his rights as a member respected.
A Parliament member has the right to create a party to recognize his views collectively, but he needs ratification by five or more people.
A Parliament member CAN NOT be in two parties and cannot vote for two parties either.
A Parliament member must be fully aligned with the forces of the Alliance, if proven to be co-operating with enemies of the Alliance he is to be punished by laws of his native state.
The Ruling government must have majority seats, that is 51% or more of 25. For stupid people, 18 or more people can form a government which HAS to be recognized. The remainders form the opposition which question everything and anything put forward, they are left to the task of recognizing flaws and correcting them.
A Government CAN elect a Chairman / Prime Minister / Premier etc. to lead them and speak on the behalf of the leading government as one figure.


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This is only an idea, one which could create RP at an immense scale monthly for ALOT of people.
This is an idea based on democracy, although can be twisted by potential IC players.
For now that is all.
Thanks for reading.

I must disagree fully. This is just putting all racial council's together. The idea of party government is far too advanced for azeroth, especially the appointing of a Prime Minister. The Grand Alliance is more of a democracy than the Horde is, but it's not this democractic. I fear I must tell you this idea is far too bizzare for our little Alliance.

This is separate to councils.
To bizarre because people probably aren't intelligent enough.

More like, too bizzare cause WoW ain't really a democracy. Almost no nation is. So it wouldn't make much sense.

Edit: Not to mention we have enough political drama as it is. People want to have fun in game. Having more political drama then already is would make the game unbearable to some.

I'm going to protect my idea I think.
"Based on Democracy".
Meaning only fragments are democratic, perhaps the terms such as "Prime Minister" seem to suggest so but I do not know of any other ones.
It would be a very universal political philosophy applied to it, Socialist, Anarchist. Everything combined to make characters.
I'v used terms that sound democratic so that's why I assume it sounds all like a democracy.
On the point,
WoW isn't a democracy because nobody wants it to be a democracy.
I don't see the council or any body with any form of power run by players as a fair thing and this in my opinion would be a step in the right direction of distributing "power" fairly.

Another council?

Daaaaamn.

To make a long story short; I guess some people like politics but creating a political organ which is not plausible and not functional is just a bad idea. Firstly, the council is not a means to anything. The only events it would create is the next parliament meeting (after meeting after meeting). A council should be functional. In other words, it should instigate events outside the council. A European Union for the Alliance wouldn't accomplish this. Secondly, the Alliance already has three councils (if not more, I'm unsure) and in my opinion that's A LOT already. I also don't believe the interest in these councils is that high. The Stormwind Council would be the most popular one, I believe. Why disperse interest even more? And lastly, a democratic government? Seriously? I doubt dictator Varian would throw away his power. Nor would pope Velen XII, mother Tyrande, or (insert semi-funny title) Magni. The only somewhat democratic society would be the Gnomes'.

All in all, democracy does not have my vote.

Gnash wrote:Another council?

Daaaaamn.

To make a long story short; I guess some people like politics but creating a political organ which is not plausible and not functional is just a bad idea. Firstly, the council is not a means to anything. The only events it would create is the next parliament meeting (after meeting after meeting). A council should be functional. In other words, it should instigate events outside the council. A European Union for the Alliance wouldn't accomplish this. Secondly, the Alliance already has three councils (if not more, I'm unsure) and in my opinion that's A LOT already. I also don't believe the interest in these councils is that high. The Stormwind Council would be the most popular one, I believe. Why disperse interest even more? And lastly, a democratic government? Seriously? I doubt dictator Varian would throw away his power. Nor would pope Velen XII, mother Tyrande, or (insert semi-funny title) Magni. The only somewhat democratic society would be the Gnomes'.

All in all, democracy does not have my vote.

Democracy doesn't work because Council members will come on and make arguments including IC reasons.
Imagine how much RP can be created with a guaranteed monthly affair that involves A) 25 people, B) guards, servants etc.?
I'm not suggesting it for a super new RP plot, I'm suggesting it for a reason to log on, and do something even monthly for 95% RPer's who have no choice in how major affairs go around them.
There is so many on this forum capable of doing better jobs than (insert council member name here) that it's ridiculious.
Nobody gives a chance to anybody because people are greedy.
The point isn't democracy.
It's to be fair to people.

I'm refering to my first point. A council has no claim for existence if it's just to RP a bunch of arguing people. It should be about creating events -besides- meetings. The meetings shouldn't be more than a fun excuse to create those events.

Gnash wrote:I'm refering to my first point. A council has no claim for existence if it's just to RP a bunch of arguing people. It should be about creating events -besides- meetings. The meetings shouldn't be more than a fun excuse to create those events.

Yeah that's kind of what I'm steering towards.
And I would like to see more events created. Even on the forums some great idea's get completely ignored and events that COULD take place don't.
I don't know. I do see a necessity for a new separate institution to operate freely without the influence of it's native state. ( to much )

Do we really need more political councils?
Also getting around 25 people to appear for this meeting, even if supposed to be bi-weekly or monthly would be really hard.
Almost none of the councils have all their members appearing for all their meetings.
Like the gnomish one.... *sobs quietly in a corner*

Ezlbag wrote:Do we really need more political councils?
Also getting around 25 people to appear for this meeting, even if supposed to be bi-weekly or monthly would be really hard.
Almost none of the councils have all their members appearing for all their meetings.
Like the gnomish one.... *sobs quietly in a corner*

I'l agree with the poor turn up for the Gnomish one, although I only went once only Blinkie and one guard showed up , which was.. just.. wow.

25 people would be so easy to ask to appear monthly ><..

Gnash wrote:The only somewhat democratic society would be the Gnomes'..

The gnomes have a technocratic republic where the elected leader is allowed to choose his title.

Ezlbag wrote:

Gnash wrote:The only somewhat democratic society would be the Gnomes'..

The gnomes have a technocratic republic where the elected leader is allowed to choose his title.

Are they really?
-thinks of incredible title for self-
Master of Azeroth, High Tinker / Dragon Slaying / Demon Defiling / Womanizing / Bad ass / Arnold the Terminator!

But are you really?

This'll just create a headache, surely. I mean, everyone that's posted above has pretty much stated the reasons why, but I think I need to stress the political drama point.

And besides, combining all of them, even if it's just once a month won't really get us anywhere. They're all seperate bodies, with seperate ideas. I don't see them working very well together when it comes to decisions. It's an Alliance, but.. it should honestly be kept to their seperate factions when it comes to this.

Ephitos / Amarachus wrote:To bizarre because people probably aren't intelligent enough.

That's not insulting to the majority of people at all. Actually it's bizarre because a Parliament is a complex thing with it's own rules, legislation and authority. This Parliament wouldn't really make much progress as it would claim dominion over all of the Alliance, while that is NOT how the Alliance is structured authority wise. Different factions have alot more say than others, mostly due to military might etc. Either way, referring to my first post, the idea is good, but it's too complex, advanced and unbalanced for 'Azerothian Era' politics.

All in all, I'd say its just a bad idea (unlike Anaei said before me. Much love still!). For many reasons. I also believe it has been tried a few times before but failed badly. And as someone else mentioned, there are far enough Councils as it is. A parliament wouldn't make it more "democratic" as it would be more or less the people already in those Councils in such a parliament. So it'd only really add to those peoples work.

Fact of the day.. "THE ALLIANCE".. is the Allied Union in the first place. THE ALLIANCE is the IC EU in itself. Your EU summit is going on RIGHT NOW, in the court of King Varian Wrynn..

The Alliance is a term coined to encompass the allied treaty of nations. Being The Eastern Kingdom, Khaz'Modan, Teldrassil and 'The Exodar' (as I fail to remember the given term).

Simple as. For 'The Horde' see above.. but for the red team.

And will people stop going on about damn POWER!.. Christ-on-a-bike-going backwards-down-a-hill. This train's wheels are ground down to the rims..

Jayse wrote:Fact of the day.. "THE ALLIANCE".. is the Allied Union in the first place. THE ALLIANCE is the IC EU in itself. Your EU summit is going on RIGHT NOW, in the court of King Varian Wrynn..

The Alliance is a term coined to encompass the allied treaty of nations. Being The Eastern Kingdom, Khaz'Modan, Teldrassil and 'The Exodar' (as I fail to remember the given term).

Simple as. For 'The Horde' see above.. but for the red team.

And will people stop going on about damn POWER!.. Christ-on-a-bike-going backwards-down-a-hill. This train's wheels are ground down to the rims..

This basically. The difference as i've said over and over in other topics between the Alliance and the Horde is the balance of power. The Horde is a straight road, Garrosh is Warchief, all hail the Warchief. The Alliance is broken into about four sections of power; Stormwind makes up the true leadership, Varian is dei facto leader of the Alliance (Just as Jaina was before him according to sources), after them comes Darnassus and Ironforge the two major powers with great forces and resources, territory and land. Then we have Gnomes and Draenei, smaller, less involved races whom do not have as much power as those mentioned before but they are still regarded as equals. Taking this idea into account, Stormwind would hold a majority of these seats and would dictate military policy as they do now. That's why I do not think this idea will work, the Alliance is not balanced.

This is new and exciting, I am shaking with anticipation, we should call Etular in.

"That's not insulting to the majority of people at all".
I don't care who it insults its fact.
As you state later in your answer YES it is very complex, and I doubt every day normal guy or gal can understand it.
This is my idea, and naturally I will fight for it.
The constructive Criticism is quite good!


"All in all, I'd say its just a bad idea (unlike Anaei said before me. Much love still!). For many reasons. I also believe it has been tried a few times before but failed badly. And as someone else mentioned, there are far enough Councils as it is. A parliament wouldn't make it more "democratic" as it would be more or less the people already in those Councils in such a parliament. So it'd only really add to those peoples work."

I believe I clearly stated that nobody can hold a position in this , if they already are a senate member, a council member or etc.



Hold on Hold on.
So even in Theory you think it's bad?
I mean sure in practice it's near impossible to fulfill, but it's a thought and an idea, why do you think the idea itself is "Bad"?



Jayse "Fact of the day.. "THE ALLIANCE".. is the Allied Union in the first place. THE ALLIANCE is the IC EU in itself. Your EU summit is going on RIGHT NOW, in the court of King Varian Wrynn..

The Alliance is a term coined to encompass the allied treaty of nations. Being The Eastern Kingdom, Khaz'Modan, Teldrassil and 'The Exodar' (as I fail to remember the given term).

Simple as. For 'The Horde' see above.. but for the red team.

And will people stop going on about damn POWER!.. Christ-on-a-bike-going backwards-down-a-hill. This train's wheels are ground down to the rims.."


To answer that.
No it is not, there is a huge division between all the races. If you want an IC related discussion, then it is obvious how frail this "Alliance" is. It is NOTHING like the EU, on the contrary the Alliance is a poor example of friendship.
The elves are arrogant and up there ass creatues who shit on everybody else and basically used the other races to beat the Legion.
The dwarves are arrogant "we are descended from the titans and can beat everybody" ,
Don't really know gnomes or Draenei's, they seem probably the least violent , territorial, aggressive races,
we can assume humans are as they are now in the 21st century, hostile, imperialistic, greedy.
The EU can in no way be compared to the Alliance.

Geldar wrote:This is new and exciting, I am shaking with anticipation, we should call Etular in.

I asked you not to comment on my threads as a player-player, so please don't.
Unless you're moderating, and judging from your comment no you are not.
So please, do what I ask.
Thanks

Read any lore recently?

Nope, and haven't logged in for quite some time.

Anaei/Vezullia wrote:

Jayse wrote:Fact of the day.. "THE ALLIANCE".. is the Allied Union in the first place. THE ALLIANCE is the IC EU in itself. Your EU summit is going on RIGHT NOW, in the court of King Varian Wrynn..

The Alliance is a term coined to encompass the allied treaty of nations. Being The Eastern Kingdom, Khaz'Modan, Teldrassil and 'The Exodar' (as I fail to remember the given term).

Simple as. For 'The Horde' see above.. but for the red team.

And will people stop going on about damn POWER!.. Christ-on-a-bike-going backwards-down-a-hill. This train's wheels are ground down to the rims..

This basically. The difference as i've said over and over in other topics between the Alliance and the Horde is the balance of power. The Horde is a straight road, Garrosh is Warchief, all hail the Warchief. The Alliance is broken into about four sections of power; Stormwind makes up the true leadership, Varian is dei facto leader of the Alliance (Just as Jaina was before him according to sources), after them comes Darnassus and Ironforge the two major powers with great forces and resources, territory and land. Then we have Gnomes and Draenei, smaller, less involved races whom do not have as much power as those mentioned before but they are still regarded as equals. Taking this idea into account, Stormwind would hold a majority of these seats and would dictate military policy as they do now. That's why I do not think this idea will work, the Alliance is not balanced.

You say at the end the Alliance is not balanced, So would it not be more beneficial for Role-Playing to Balance the Alliance?
It's like a person rolling Human and automatically they are better than everybody else because there race rules the Alliance.
I don't see that as fair, although I may have misunderstood what you said.

Ephitos / Amarachus wrote:Nope, and haven't logged in for quite some time.

I rest my case