Hypothetical question, changes and where?

I think a fair compromise is that both the pandarian and the Worgen are killed to their last panda and doggy!

Also Warriors get nurf'd.

Though Taran Zhu should've prolly died the first time he got "mortally wounded", pandaren deserving extermination was a bit of an exaggeration. I get that they wanted MoP to have a lighter tone and a bit more humorous and, for a lack of a better word, happy compared to the expansion that preceded it. But it boils down to the fact that I just didn't like them and that their implementation, despite Metzen's claims of it being a serious race, makes them end up being a "Jack Black" race simply because of their aesthetics and their nonsensical philosophy that has no place in Warcraft.

As for draenei females, well... just look at them. They are just plain wrong. There is no trace of nobility or heroism in how they look. Instead, they're oversexualized to such a point where they bear no resemblance to their male counterparts, with their design having been thrown in there simply to appeal to the Avatar and asari crowd.

Zaraj wrote:
-Snip- with their design having been thrown in there simply to appeal to the Avatar and asari crowd.

What. Are. You. Talking about?

Zaraj wrote:with their design having been thrown in there simply to appeal to the Avatar and asari crowd.

... Draenei females were designed before asari were, and both of those were -released- before Cameron's Avatar was in production.

WoW already had blue chicks in the form of Night Elves anyway, so it's not like the Draenei changed anything in that regard.

I'll specify. By "crowd", I mean people who are into the escapist fantasy of hot aliens who bear a strong resemblance to human females whilst still being alien. The kind of people who, in the case of the Asari, maintain that they have a deep lore and that Liara is the character with the most depth in the Mass Effect series.

But sure, one can link it to whatever deviant group there is. After all, one could say worgen females are there to appease the furry crowd, but at least their appearance sort of make sense. The problem with draenei females remains, and that is the fact that they don't look anything like their male counterpart. There is no nobility or heroism within their aesthetics. It's all a freakish curved tin glass figure with some even freakier proportions. Even with Night Elves, they sort of look like their male counterparts, and -some- of that supposed amazon quality comes through, even though WoW ruined Night Elves to a certain degree.

Not only that but look closer at draenie female. They may not be as strong as the male counterparts but they are extremely athletic in build. Far more than the other females in wow. Hell. The only race with a smaller title to body ratio is blood elves. And gnomes

Sexist pig, why should the draenei males not look more like the females.  

omg, the patriarchy is here!!!!!!!

srsly tho what annoys me is that they all have breasts. Breasts and breast feeding is a mammal trait, although there is no reason that it would not evolve in humanoids of other planets it need not always be the case.

In absolute complete agreement with Zaraj.

Female draenei look like they were designed for ERP.

as a big fan of draenei I want to dissagree.. female draenei got this.. reputation..  by those so called erp'ers and I do not like this stigma attached as a result..there is a simple anatomical reason why rhere backs are curved like so giving the ass sticking out and pushing breasts out look.. and thats because they have didgi legs and tails .. this anatomy means there hips can only straiten so far.. if they were to perfectly straiten there back then they would be walking like a veloceraptor from Jurassic park..  if you gave them human legs and removed there tail they would actualy look more like a human/night elf hybrid with horns, they were not designed for erp

Monrena wrote: they would be walking like a veloceraptor from Jurassic park..

That's the race for next expac.

Well Monrena, exactly what you are saying there is what they are bringing up as a issue, female Draenei are designed in a way where they are supposed to look sexy.... and thats about all there is to it.
All the things that could sorta move away from the Draenei being generic pretty-girls (tendrils the horns/cranium things) are just sorta pushed to the edges on female Draenei aswell. To not obstruct from all the "pretty"

The problem with draenei females remains, and that is the fact that they don't look anything like their male counterpart. There is no nobility or heroism within their aesthetics.

Zaraj sums it up quite nicely.. sometimes I just get the feeling that female Draenei look less like the hero and more like the porn-star.

Blizz pretty much sucks when it comes to the female versions of races. It's like they all sit around a giant whiteboard for weeks staring at it blankly until someone tentatively scribbles down "make it...sexy?".

So we get 'sexy' dog woman (bleeeeugh) with horrifying droopy eyelids and bolt on tits. I wanted freaky monsterous werewolves godamnit. Something that looks like it'll rip your throat out, not hump your furniture.
And we get Draenei women who looks like they're already in hentai (bitch please, 'athletic?' Their arms are shapeless tubes and their bellies/legs flat without a hint of AMG ICKY MUSCLE to put off the fappers ). And funny how the men can have that kind of legs with sticking their arses out 5 miles? I tried googling for an image of a draenei female and got 90% porn which pretty much proves the problem.

It's just so dull, and shows a massive lack in imagination in Blizz's part, scraping for the lowest common denominater (HURR HURR BEWBS) every time.

The only ones that are decent of the 'alien'/monsterous race imho are trolls and orcs.

And oddly the troll and orc female models are really quite hot.

If we're talking un-sexist female character models though, dwarves win.

Definately the vanilla models, although they've ages now, were better in terms of cohesive 'looks' for each race. They all looked the same species at least. I just really wish they'd gone more the route of Charr when it comes to worgen;



still having gendered appearance, but no creepy sexualisation/Disney-eyes with fucking makeup.

The females in WoW have been seemingly built for males. I don't understand the weird "I play a girl to stare at a girl's ass instead of a man" argument. I'm not looking at any arse when I'm playing a fucking game.

It's a shame WoW never brought out a few body types.

Sometimes, on these forums, I get the impression I'm the only person here that actually likes Warcraft.

erwtenpeller wrote:Sometimes, on these forums, I get the impression I'm the only person here that actually likes Warcraft.

Criticising the flaws of something doesn't mean you don't like it; if I didn't like WoW at all, I wouldn't be posting here at all still after moving on from subscribing to it.

Complete praise without accepting or discussing improvements is fanboyism at its worst. Almost every game out there that I love I could still find issues or annoyances with, that doesn't mean I don't like them.

For example:
GTA V's control scheme is bloated and clumsy in several places, and they have handled the online launch terribly. I still fucking love the game, though!
Guild Wars 2 has awful voice acting in places.
Mass Effect 3's ending.
Baldur's Gate 2 had such a horrible starting instance it put a lot of people off the entire game (apparently).

AND SO ON.
Nothing is without flaws.

The big thing I'd change at the moment is the bloody ability bloat. There are only so many buttons my fingers can reach, damnit!

A custom emote engine would also be very nice.

And a portable barber shop.

Kittrina wrote:Definately the vanilla models, although they've ages now, were better in terms of cohesive 'looks' for each race. They all looked the same species at least. I just really wish they'd gone more the route of Charr when it comes to worgen;



still having gendered appearance, but no creepy sexualisation/Disney-eyes with fucking makeup.

This! I love what they did with the female charr.

One thing I would fix: Those damn females.

I guess there is one thing speaking for the female draenei - the race in general was made to look like blue demons, and we all know how people like to imagine female demons. But yeah... something a bit cooler would be nice.

I only read your reply now Monrena and I half-laughed.

Considering you actively contributing to giving draenei the reputation of erotic roleplay, since that's what you engaged in yourself without any shame [not slandering you, stating a fact] then how you can go and complain that the race is misrepresented by the people who erotic roleplay when you yourself conducted in that sort of behavior?

I like where this is going

World Of Tit-Craft

nuff said

Yay erp \o/

Yes. I think its ludicrous that worgen don't have 6 teats. and tauren's don't have udders.

Blizzard should fix this and gives us proper animal skeletons and feno-types. It is ridiculous to want to design something that's "friendly to look at."

Damn sexist pigs.


who's going to bite?

Amaryl wrote:Yes. I think its ludicrous that worgen don't have 6 teats. and tauren's don't have udders.

Blizzard should fix this and gives us proper animal skeletons and feno-types. It is ridiculous to want to design something that's "friendly to look at."

Damn sexist pigs.


who's going to bite?

Yes, how ludicrous! It's almost...almost...like that's so ludicrous that nobody was arguing for that at all or even talking about that, do you have some trouble with reading comprehension? Nobody was even talking about the character designs in terms of 'sexism' purely in aesthetics being retarded as they are.