[A] The Ebon Shroud

lol

Look we are not just Mindless killing machines training for war! Dru is teaching us magic

She is strict though, that skeleton used to be a knight who was chewing gum in class :p

((ooc note: Dru is Awesome, I would join just to Learn magic from her *nod*))

Teaching news 2! Teaching magic to the living has begun. Dru is to teach to a Blade. If others are interested, and of the right sort, and can discuss some method of payment; then find a Shroud Knight and get RPing!

Wonderful fantastic, now let the shooting incident goooo

Shame on you!

*Feels no shame due to being far to awesome for that nonsense*

Im going to tell SI7 on you two.

.....Let them come

Going on a Dragon hunt next week! Join quickly for the Epic RP!!!!

Unholy mentor reporting to duty. Whoever want to learn the use of Fel and Unholy magicks, Sorazal is your man!

Fel? o.O
I thought you were a Death Knight, Death Knights can't cast fel. D:
It's corrupted arcane magic!

Scratch Fel xD Only red my previous post now xD

Good eye Sool oO

Note that DKs have no protection to the addiction of fel though, there are ways a DK can easily become addicted. A Fel DK would need killing quuuuuuuick!

Unholy, unholy & unholy! Not fel!

Frost, frost & frost!*

Soolie Bentspring wrote:Fel? o.O
I thought you were a Death Knight, Death Knights can't cast fel. D:
It's corrupted arcane magic!

Death knights can use fel. Just like they can use arcane magic (necromancy is one of the schools of arcane magic, afterall). Just like they can use the Light. They are not restricted from any of these things (save the fact that the latter causes them great pain).

I meant it more like that it's highly uncommon for a Death Knight to cast such. Sorry for putting it in the wrong way.
Still, necromancy flows through them, just like frost and unholy magic. It's what keeps them going and what they're pretty much made of. Second generation Death Knights were for example Paladins, you don't see them casting light spells though. That the light heals Death Knights is simply a game mechanic, how do you think it'd go for us in raids if priests and paladins couldn't heal us?
Just like how Shadow breaks with the Light the Light breaks with Necromancy.
If you have ever played on a priest you'd know that if you use a light spell your shadow ones fade, you can still use divine spells though.
You could probably learn arcane and the similar as a Death Knight, but in most cases you'd have to learn it again if you knew it in life. Most Death Knights don't remember their previous life and as stated by Mograine all they know is death. And since it takes so long to learn a school of magic properly it's highly unlikely that Death Knights would know one or several of the ones that they weren't created with. I guess you could know it properly if you were one of the Death Knights to be created early, but still, why would you even want to do so?

In short: Sure, feel free to cast arcane or anything like it, but the light tears apart the undead. If a Death Knight casts light spells he/she'll destroy him/herself. It's simply not possible with the light as a Death Knight.

Try to cast light magic too much and you'll fall over dead since the necrotic magic has been forced out, or burnt away.

Soolie Bentspring wrote:Second generation Death Knights were for example Paladins, you don't see them casting light spells though.

Yes you do.

That the light heals Death Knights is simply a game mechanic, how do you think it'd go for us in raids if priests and paladins couldn't heal us?

No, it's not.

"Without spoiling too much, we can tell you that wielding the Light is a matter of having willpower or faith in one's own ability to do it. That's why there are evil paladins (for example, the Scarlet Crusade and Arthas before he took up Frostmourne). For the undead (and Forsaken), this requires such a great deal of willpower that it is exceedingly rare, especially since it is self-destructive. When undead channel the Light, it feels (to them) as if their entire bodies are being consumed in righteous fire. Forsaken healed by the Light (whether the healer is Forsaken or not) are effectively cauterized by the effect: sure, the wound is healed, but the healing effect is cripplingly painful. Thus, Forsaken priests are beings of unwavering willpower; Forsaken (and death knight) tanks suffer nobly when they have priest and paladin healers in the group; and Sir Zeliek really hates himself."

-Ask CDev #1

You could probably learn arcane and the similar as a Death Knight, but in most cases you'd have to learn it again if you knew it in life. Most Death Knights don't remember their previous life and as stated by Mograine all they know is death.

All DKs remember their original life after being freed from the LK's grasp. Hell half of the Battle at Light's Hope is about Mograine's own past... and he certainly remembered his father even before breaking from the Lich King. And would you say Thassarian doesn't remember his past, even though it's a major part of his story?

Saying "all we know is death" does not mean that is all they know. xD It's an exaggeration to say that death is what they are now, that they have chosen to cast aside their former lives. Not that they have forgotten them.

"The haze has been lifted. I can see as clearly now as the day that I plunged the Ashbringer into my own heart to free my father's cursed soul: my last memory as a free man." -Darion Mograine

And since it takes so long to learn a school of magic properly it's highly unlikely that Death Knights would know one or several of the ones that they weren't created with. I guess you could know it properly if you were one of the Death Knights to be created early, but still, why would you even want to do so?

You could know it if you knew magic in life. As for why? Because it can accomplish many things that necromancy cannot.

In short: Sure, feel free to cast arcane or anything like it, but the light tears apart the undead. If a Death Knight casts light spells he/she'll destroy him/herself.

Sir Zeliek didn't.

It's simply not possible with the light as a Death Knight. Try to cast light magic too much and you'll fall over dead since the necrotic magic has been forced out, or burnt away.

No, actually, it makes you feel more alive. It just causes great pain. It does not destroy you.

"[Undead] channeling the Light in any way, or receiving healing from the Light, only causes pain. Forsaken priests do not disintegrate or explode from channeling the Light for an extended period of time… though they may wish they would."

"Q: Are there long-term effects on an undead who is in regular contact with the Holy Light in a positive way?

A: It is difficult to say, as there are no known records of undead wielding the Holy Light before the Third War. There are reports, however, that some Forsaken have slowly experienced a sharpening of their dulled senses of touch, smell, etc., as well as an increase in the flashes of positive emotions that have otherwise become so rare since their fall into undeath. Unfortunately, this may be the cause of the Forsaken priesthood's increased attempts at self-destruction; regaining these senses would force the priests to smell their own rotting flesh, taste the decay in their mouths and throats, and even feel the maggots burrowing within their bodies."

-Ask CDev #2

Blizzard always make up stuff like that when they need an excuse. If they didn't they couldn't have let priests and paladins heal forsaken and death knights. If this was an entirely RP based game they wouldn't have let them.
Because of this I choose not to take it seriously.

I used "All we know is death" as an example of that such is what they focus on and are good at. Don't take everything I say strictly like it's written.

When Mograine "remembers" that it is a vision that appears for all, for all we know it can be the light's doing. It does not appear in his mind as it normally would have.
Durning the starting quests you are ordered to kill someone who was dear to you in life, however you don't remember said person.
As written in lore forsaken often take on new names or the names written on tombs as they don't remember their own name, or life as a living for that sake.
The big vision that appeared infront of them is what helped Mograine remember that. I can't remember seeing the same happening to every single death knight. It was most likely just for their leader so that they'd be put on the right path. I also said majority, due to that as written in lore some forsaken remember their previous lives, but the majority doesn't.

Yes, if you remember everything from your previous life perfectly and still are able to weave spells in the same way as before then sure, why not. But as I said earlier, the majority don't. There are still those who do, but those are not many.

I read up on Sir Zeliek and got to read that he resisted being turned into a Death Knight. Though, we're Death Knights, are we not?
I guess he's somewhere between being turned into an undead and being alive. If you look at him he doesn't exactly look undead, now does he? He started it before he was taken over. We do not have that opportunity.

Again I have to say that it's an excuse made up so that Blizzard can allow the healing of Death Knights and Forsaken in raids. Personally I choose not to take such seriously.
It is at several points proven that the light and shadow dispel eachother. If you keep the channeling of light at a moderate level it will not destroy you, but it will much likely make you feel weaker and the similar. I guess those priest must have been doing it at a moderate level over a longer time, therefore the light has gotten a little grip on them and they regain a little bit of life. However I said that they'd fall over dead if they did it too much.



It's common for Blizzard to make up excuses in order to allow the change of game mechanics. While that might be the set "lore" I find it highly unserious and choose to ignore it. They bend lore after the way they want the game to go. If they need one thing changed in game mechanics they'll also change lore so that it fits, because they put game mechanics way above lore and roleplay.

Soolie Bentspring wrote:Second generation Death Knights were for example Paladins, you don't see them casting light spells though.

Yes you do.

Forgot to reply to this part.

Yup. You see them casting light spells before they turn entirely undead. Your example is pretty much like Arthas just after he took up Shadowmourne but had not become undead yet.

But WoW is not an entirely RP based game. Everything Blizzard says is a fact, as it is their world.


Also, Arthas was never Undead, right?

Oh, and one more thing. The Light and Necromancy are quite like the sun and shadow. When the light comes the shadow goes away. Though, if you make sure of that the light doesn't cover the entire area there will still be darkness as well. Though, if you let the light cover the entire area the shadow will be gone.

In this example the shadow symbolizes the necrotic energy that keeps a Death Knight up quite a lot like life energy. If you let the light cover the entire area that shadow will be gone, and so will the Death Knight's life energy. He or she can't continue if there is no energy.

Tso/Lyrion wrote:But WoW is not an entirely RP based game. Everything Blizzard says is a fact, as it is their world.

This is exactly why I choose to ignore these things. They don't focus it entirely on RP. You can say I block those facts out and RP without them, I do this because for me they take the fun out of the game. Those facts are far from serious at all, so I RP after those that are serious and make sense.

Soolie Bentspring wrote:Blizzard always make up stuff like that when they need an excuse. If they didn't they couldn't have let priests and paladins heal forsaken and death knights. If this was an entirely RP based game they wouldn't have let them.
Because of this I choose not to take it seriously.

No offense but I do not think this is a feasible attitude. Blizzard are the Lords of this universe. They have the final say on it's laws. You are just one player. The reason why things work the way they do is of little importance. If all of a sudden Draenei are given wings and we are told that they have always had them, just because Metzen's girlfriend wanted to roleplay an Angel in wow, then we will just have to accept that.

We already have very little absolute sources to govern our roleplay. If you deny the most important one, you open the floodgates. Anything goes. You cannot just selectively decide to accept one thing, and discard the other. You're in their universe, accept the laws, and adjust your story to them.

I was gonna say there is no reason you can not see the light and shadow as either ends of the same thing. But mostly I agree with Dru, It might be dumb lore, but it is lore so its what we have to go with.

(also necromancy is more than Shadow)