Re: Blizzcon 2011 (October 21-22nd)

by **Kristeas Sunbinder** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:23 pm

Lyniath wrote:I just sorta realised that no matter my opinion on MoP, I WON'T be able to play when it comes. My PC has the most appallingly small hard drive, and WoW already takes up a third of it.
And I'd rather buy a new PC than an extra hard drive.

Tho that's a point, Outland and tBC races are going to feel really outdated now if try don't edit story etc in those regards.

They said something regarding Draenei and Belf monks and writing it so that they had "always been there".

Maybe Draenei and Belf's will get new models because they can become monks. Maybe the models at the moment don't work for the custom monk animations.
Maybe that's why Goblins and Worgen don't get it, they just did those models.

by **Gesh** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:25 pm

Blood elves as monks? :/ Bad enough we have undead monks? But blood elves.

Atleast Draenei can be shamans.

by **Thelos** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:31 pm

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:
Maybe Draenei and Belf's will get new models because they can become monks. Maybe the models at the moment don't work for the custom monk animations.
Maybe that's why Goblins and Worgen don't get it, they just did those models.

I can see this for Draenei actually. You simply cannot perform the same kind of kicks with triple jointed legs and hoofs as you can with Human legs and feet.

by **Kristeas Sunbinder** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:33 pm

Vectoria wrote:Blood elves as monks? :/ Bad enough we have undead monks? But blood elves.

Atleast Draenei can be shamans.

Night Elf and Blood Elf monks use Demon Hunter training but less fel magic. Called it here.

Edit:
Also that new monkey race + monk class -> Npcs =
Blizzcon 2011 (October 21-22nd) - Page 11 Pic_detail48a73012e0806

Blizzcon 2011 (October 21-22nd) - Page 11 Pic_detail48a73012e0806

by **Gesh** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:36 pm

Oh dear..

Silly moon may just get even sillier!

by **Guldujenu** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:39 pm

Theres lots of people wanting the reskinning for old races, I was over at the art panel and the pandaren just looked so amazing. They were talking about being 10-20 in the fact alone, is that also something they are looking into for reskinning the new races?

-Its the one thing we really want to see brought up to the pandaren level. There are about 10 times more bones in the pandaren models compared to the current character models. We dont know when this exactly will happen, because we are still not unsure how to roll this out because some people might not like the new models as much as they do the old models.

They also said in another quote, the haters wont stop them from updating the models in the future.

by **Thelos** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:43 pm

Thelos wrote:

You simply cannot perform the same kind of kicks with triple jointed legs.

Too eleborate:

Draenei cant kick forward. Only backwards. I'm curious to see how Blizzard deals with this in their animations. Are Dreanei going to twist around everytime they perform a kick? Like a Horse?

by **Kristeas Sunbinder** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:44 pm

Only spinning kicks for you?

by **Gesh** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:45 pm

Maybe they'll just do a really.. strangely angled knee strike?

by **Thelos** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:48 pm

Or Tail Lashes, but that would only work with the male model.

by **Gesh** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:49 pm

i wonder if it'll be a complete redesign of the models or just a reskin? I wouldn't mind some more options for me to make my toon stand out from the rest, height, weight. Etc, etc.

by **erwtenpeller** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:49 pm

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:Maybe that's why Goblins and Worgen don't get it, they just did those models.

That is exactly why they don't get monks.
The Dranei and Blood Elf models will be upgraded with the new animations, but not any new geometry.
The 8 vanilla races are likely to get varying degrees of overhaul to their geometry and structure.

This is speculation; it is what I would do.

On Dranei and Blood Elf monks:

How are you guys going to fit Draenei and the BEs getting monks?
We will probably throw it in like its always been there.... We'll make it work!

On Model overhauls:

Theres lots of people wanting the reskinning for old races, I was over at the art panel and the pandaren just looked so amazing. They were talking about being 10-20 in the fact alone, is that also something they are looking into for reskinning the new races?
Its the one thing we really want to see brought up to the pandaren level. There are about 10 times more bones in the pandaren models compared to the current character models. We dont know when this exactly will happen, because we are still not unsure how to roll this out because some people might not like the new models as much as they do the old models.

Source:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2524-Blizzcon-2011-WoW-Open-Q-A

Different websites have documented the questions and answers in different wording; the only way to be sure is to watch the video's if there are any.

by **Dharum** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:50 pm

Argh just release the updated character models and slap a free new customization for all current chars.

I want a glorious dwarf with more polygons and better textures damn it.

New Dance-studio, calling it now. >_>

by **Kristeas Sunbinder** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:50 pm

Maybe they'll rename some of the skills so they can be used both with hands and feet. Following that the animations of the races might favor certain limbs.

>.> Maybe Draenei kicks become hoof drops from hand stands.

by **erwtenpeller** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:52 pm

Thelos wrote:Draenei cant kick forward.

What makes you say that? Of course they can, they have forward-facing knees.

Imagine it like this:
They are not really triple jointed; they just have veeeeeeeeeeery long feet, and are standing on their toes all the time.

by **Gesh** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:54 pm

It'll be interesting to see if they try and go for a more realistic model or a more stylized one for the more savage races. Would be cool to see a more savage night elf/orc.

by **Kristeas Sunbinder** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:56 pm

Delidah / Scuzy wrote:
Thelos wrote:Draenei cant kick forward.
What makes you say that? Of course they can, they have forward-facing knees.

Imagine it like this:
They are not really triple jointed; they just have veeeeeeeeeeery long feet, and are standing on their toes all the time.

Blizzcon 2011 (October 21-22nd) - Page 11 Draenei_anatomy

by **Lyniath** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:56 pm

The new updated models better come with free customisation. What happens if an old face suddenly becomes really unfitting for your char, or updated hair doesn't feel your style.

by **erwtenpeller** Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:58 pm

Vectoria wrote:It'll be interesting to see if they try and go for a more realistic model or a more stylized one for the more savage races. Would be cool to see a more savage night elf/orc.

The styling will remain the same, they said in multiple quotes that they want to preserve the same vibe. They'll just get additional bones to support new animations, an vastly updated texture, and minor model alterations to allow for the increased quality in texture. That's it.

by **erwtenpeller** Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:01 pm

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:
Delidah / Scuzy wrote:
Thelos wrote:Draenei cant kick forward.
What makes you say that? Of course they can, they have forward-facing knees.

Imagine it like this:
They are not really triple jointed; they just have veeeeeeeeeeery long feet, and are standing on their toes all the time.

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Oooh, where did you get that tasty bit from? Is it official concept art? Doesn't look like it.
Though that sketch makes a lot of sense, my point still stands. the "third" joint is comparable to toes bending, which dra-nee-nee don't have.

by **Kristeas Sunbinder** Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:03 pm

It's from here:
http://www.rp-haven.com/forum/eridah/azero_natomy

by **Gesh** Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:05 pm

Blizzcon 2011 (October 21-22nd) - Page 11 551_realsize

Anything more closer to this then the in game models for night elves would be neat :B.

by **erwtenpeller** Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:07 pm

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:It's from here:
http://www.rp-haven.com/forum/eridah/azero_natomy

Heh, nice. I've done my fair share of troll and orc skull-studies myself to try and figure out the anatomy. Basically, trolls should have a reaallly hard time talking with those things sticking out of their cheecks ^^

by **erwtenpeller** Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:08 pm

Vectoria wrote:Anything more closer to this then the in game models for night elves would be neat :B.

Soo... Basically blood elves. I'd prefer the Nelf males especially to remain more bulky then their blood elf counterparts.

by **Gesh** Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:22 pm

Not exactly, The Night elves are described to be tall and lean, athletic, but not exactly bursting at the seems. The blood elves are considerably more petite with a more half and half thing going on between the torso and the legs. Night elves would have longer legs and a grander stature.

Female Night elves are quite amazonian in their build, or at least should be. Although of course they're going to be exceptions to that.

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