Horde locking down MoP zones

by **Raenmar** Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:18 am

[Having trouble gearing up? Farm honor! On the 25th of August, Season 11 ends and the Cataclysmic PvP sets will be sold for honor points.]

[As well as individual support, we really need the support of guilds as a whole. Guild leaders/officers PM me, planning a chat channel to keep all the guilds involved from both the RP and PvP communities together.]

Horde healer list up and being constantly updated, check the spoiler at the bottom of the post. If any of their healers go inactive or they get new ones, let me know. Also, would be greatly appreciated if someone could check I've got all the names right.

In Mists of Pandaria, an alliance of multiple Horde WPvP guilds intend to lock down new zones with over 100 PvPers camping quest hubs and flying over the zones, ganking, repeatedly, anyone they see. Their intention is to stop Alliance levelling to 90. Tell me I'm lying, but this is based on chatlogs of an Aboc Skype conversation. Tell me to stfu and that you don't care, but you'll care when you can't quest in MoP.

Backpeddling and Mith are both aware and recruiting, but two new WPVP guilds aren't going to be able to match the numbers that 4-5 fully established WPVP guilds bring. I'm encouraging my guild to gear up and level early in MoP, but that still won't be enough.

Unless we want to be kept out of Pandaria for the first few weeks of the expansion, Alliance needs a lot more people prepared to WPvP. A meeting between all guilds and people prepared to fight can be organized, but first we need to know who will.

There's not really much more to say. The RP community needs to come together, gear up and help offer resistance to the Horde in MoP.

Horde healer list:

Spoiler:

by **Aldric Essalus Helmfrid** Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:31 am

I'm in. I've known about this for a good while now and have been gearing more so since I learned of it (Running Dragon Soul and such). If nothing is done to counter this we'll be held out of MoP. I'm sure DoL will attend this meeting.

by **Asvaldr Lighthammer** Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:38 am

I agree, although PvP is usually frowned upon, it would be awesome if the Alliance banded together and marched upon Pandaria in some sort of mini army, have yourself commanders of the force, rangers, scouts, light users and footmen.
Greeted by horde and dreams of victory in a foreign land! In term making the people trying to ruin RP, forcefully RP without even knowing and making a good event haha!

Shame I'm a Crusader though, a Neutral force, may move another character over here if such an event is implemented though! Would be fun and productive!

by **Raenmar** Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:41 am

Yeah, could do it all IC. Would make for a great RPPvP campaign, and it'd be my first.

Either we take this and make it an oppurtunity, or we get annihilated.

Good response so far! Looking like we might stand a chance.

by **Aldric Essalus Helmfrid** Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:52 am

I don't think Raenmar was implying we need to bring this IC. This is more of, we need to gear up and fight back or the MoP expansion will start a week later for us.

As a plus though, nobody has an excuse not to get full Cataclysmic as the items will be sold for Honor when Season 11 ends. Meaning you can grab full Cataclysmic before MoP is released.

by **Raenmar** Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:56 am

It doesn't necessarily need to be IC, no. But we need to fight whether we like it or not, so we might as well make the best of it. Could be fun.

by **Aldric Essalus Helmfrid** Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:01 am

True.. After thinking about it giving roleplayers reluctant to get involved in OOC fights something IC to cling on to might help motivate others who usually wouldn't to fight back.

by **Asvaldr Lighthammer** Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:04 am

Yeah, usually RP tend to avoid OOC conflicts, I'm just giving them an idea to follow so they can do something to help and still stay IC (help both sides Razz

). I also agree that it even OOC it could be fun! It'd be nice to see The Alliance dominate for once too

by **Raenmar** Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:46 am

Working on a list of healers in all major Horde PvP guilds, I'll make a targetting macro for raid leaders.

If anyone knows who Tides of Misery and Thief Empire's main healers are, I'd appreciate the info.

by **Aldric Essalus Helmfrid** Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:17 am

Couldn't you just check their guilds in the armory?

by **Raenmar** Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:19 am

That's what I'm doing, but I don't know who's active (so who to look for when targetting) and I can't confirm they're a healer. Might have been in OS when armory updated. Targetting an ele shammy because we think he's resto can fuck us up badly.

Edit: And there are 7 pages on the Thief Empire roster. Tedious <_<

by **Shriukan** Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:04 am

Little advice: Quest in groups of 5 or only 3 so you can do scenarios at the end of questlines. Preferably have at least a tank and healer. But avoid doing it alone.
Also, the first 24h should be relatively air free since you need lvl 90 to fly. But yeah. After that... Watch out. If you really need to escape PvP, queue for a dungeon.
Good luck to everybody. We will all need it. *polishes pvp armor*

by **Muzjhath** Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:13 am

Well, at least take heart in that at least most of Aboc seriously suck at PvP. Same goes for the alliance eqvialent in Mith...whateverannoying name they have. So if you group up you should be sort of safe.

by **Shriukan** Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:17 am

Oh I'm not worried. I can take a few beatings but I absolutely can give them back. I will be questing and focusing on the PvP but avoiding alliance RP'ers unless they attack me first. *grin*

by **Robi Kaezlan** Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:35 am

I'm horrified to hear this. I can't quite believe that people will have nothing better to do at the start of a new expansion than lock down zones to deliberately spoil the game for others. Its childish beyond belief.
However don't you think that possibly some is self inflicted? The majority of posts on Blizz forum and here to a lesser degree are always turned to a thread about ABoC and their ganking, spoiling the game etc.
I dont think you realise what children they are, this feeds their ego's and makes them think theyre famous. They have the mindset any attention even negative is better than none.
I do think if they intend to rally together with the one intention of spoiling the game for others then yeah, its going to have to be fight back time. It would be good if enough PvP'ers could rally and give them a humiliating thrashing.
Could always tell them that theyre missing a new series of Tele-tubbies...

by **Shriukan** Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:19 am

If it would be now, defeating them would just make them move away, but if what is being said here is right, they will just call for backup and fight harder. If the fight is big enough, other areas will be less affected until said fight is over and everyone is in "patrol" mode.
The fact I enjoy W-PvP and PvP in general does not cloud my mind though. I usually look at what certain alliances do. If they are not RP'ing, PvP it is, given that I can take them. But I move on and only kill them again if they attack me back. I don't mind at all having factions wars back. I love it. But sadly for those who do not like PvP, it will be forced upon them, unless they move away, preferably to a dungeon, hence why I said to group and quest with a tank and healer.

The fact that PvP awards XP makes W-PvP a valid way to level up. The problem is that W-PvP'ers are too ruthless and simply don't care about who they kill or how many times they kill someone.

by **Jeanpierre** Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:30 am

Not to shatter windows and dreams, but... you hope to group up and give them a run? You still believe this is the answer?
Here's what I think is going to happen: only half the people will commit to gear up in spite of the ease of it, only a third will show up, we'll take 1 hour to assemble, still be outnumbered, still be outgeared, still be outleveled, still be outskilled. We'll entertain their egos for half an hour and then take refuge behind safe walls blaming someone else for the failure and how everyone needs to brush up their skills and gear and everyone should support everyone. In the unlikely event that we score a victory, the enemy team will camp at some safe spot and fight back the moment people get bored and leave.
It happened with all other initiatives of this sort.

I don't object against fighting back at all... I don't object against this PVP event whatsoever. I think it's absolutely fantastic! It's part of the PvP culture on a PvP server. The bogging down of the TBC portal relived! Ahh... hilarious moments follow. The camping and dominating of quest zones at the start of a new expansion is or was a tradition on the pvp servers I've been on.

But be realistic about the situation and expectations. What you'll be getting into is a bogged down, muddy, sleeze fight. You want to score a point? Then pick off one guy here and one guy there. You see a Hordie of lower gear/level? Take him out. You're taken out? Call out in /1 or /3 and group up to take out the Hordie. If you face 15 Hordes... Scatter and force them to split or have meager profit.

If you want to be attacked less, quest in groups. Force them to get more numbers.
W-PvP during questing will only end if both parties discover, after a fight, that they are better off leaving eachother alone and continue their quests. But if you have 1 side who doesn't care (ie: they have max level already, or they just want to PvP) then PvP continues. But if you make every cheap shot on a Hordie you can get, then, at least you're telling them it'll cost them too. The challenge is to make the cost high enough to obtain a stand still or a moment of peace.

Getting organized isn't a bad idea at all... but I don't think there's a lot that could prove more effective than "/1" and a bit of a dirty PvP cheap-shot spirit Very Happy

by **Cid** Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:36 am

Or we just wait a while to level up in the new zones (instances etc can do in the meantime), and make them wait there in vain. How fun will that be for them?

by **erwtenpeller** Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:50 am

Jeanpierre/Inias wrote:Not to shatter windows and dreams, but... you hope to group up and give them a run? You still believe this is the answer?
Here's what I think is going to happen: only half the people will commit to gear up in spite of the ease of it, only a third will show up, we'll take 1 hour to assemble, still be outnumbered, still be outgeared, still be outleveled, still be outskilled. We'll entertain their egos for half an hour and then take refuge behind safe walls blaming someone else for the failure and how everyone needs to brush up their skills and gear and everyone should support everyone. In the unlikely event that we score a victory, the enemy team will camp at some safe spot and fight back the moment people get bored and leave.
It happened with all other initiatives of this sort.

I don't object against fighting back at all... I don't object against this PVP event whatsoever. I think it's absolutely fantastic! It's part of the PvP culture on a PvP server. The bogging down of the TBC portal relived! Ahh... hilarious moments follow. The camping and dominating of quest zones at the start of a new expansion is or was a tradition on the pvp servers I've been on.

But be realistic about the situation and expectations. What you'll be getting into is a bogged down, muddy, sleeze fight. You want to score a point? Then pick off one guy here and one guy there. You see a Hordie of lower gear/level? Take him out. You're taken out? Call out in /1 or /3 and group up to take out the Hordie. If you face 15 Hordes... Scatter and force them to split or have meager profit.

If you want to be attacked less, quest in groups. Force them to get more numbers.
W-PvP during questing will only end if both parties discover, after a fight, that they are better off leaving eachother alone and continue their quests. But if you have 1 side who doesn't care (ie: they have max level already, or they just want to PvP) then PvP continues. But if you make every cheap shot on a Hordie you can get, then, at least you're telling them it'll cost them too. The challenge is to make the cost high enough to obtain a stand still or a moment of peace.

Getting organized isn't a bad idea at all... but I don't think there's a lot that could prove more effective than "/1" and a bit of a dirty PvP cheap-shot spirit

Preach it, reverent! Preach!

by **Exigua** Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:59 am

This will affect all alliance just as much. Given that DB have 48% horde and 52% alliance, your best bet will just be to call /1 or /2. There is no reason you need to rely on roleplayers alone. If a mass of horde is gathering, you can bet that alliance will gather just as much to fight them, or leave the zone empty and go somewhere else. Both works very well.

by **Sorayah** Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:34 am

Personally I am looking forward to it. Leveling might be more interesting for once, and I am not really in a hurry to get to 90 Smile

And depending on how exactly crossrealm zones work (I am not entirely sure on the details), you may be able to invite a friend from a non-pvp server via realid and get into their zone for leveling -> no need to worry about aboc if you don't want to.

by **Shriukan** Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:35 am

Crossrealm Zones will only be used for low level areas at first. Sorry. No Crossrealm MoP Leveling.

by **Quin** Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:39 am

Whatever

Ganking always happends in those massively crowded zones when expansions are released, you'll also be competing with alliance bro's for quest mobs, items and even mining veins

by **siegmund** Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:04 am

I'll play the game like i've did in cata through patches, come online, do quests, level, start geting pvp nad pve gear at the start, have fun. And Rp when nothing is up or i'm too tired to do anything else.

As already some stated, be smart and organize, group up. And remember this is Horde vs Ally not Horde vs RPers.

My rogue will be lurking in the shadows for some free kills.

by **Gesh** Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:24 am

It still baffles me people would go to all this length to organise an event... just to piss off the other faction, I wouldn't worry about this ABoC can't PvP for toffee, hence why they gank up and charge in.

Just ignore it, by the time Mists launches, people will be too busy trying to level themselves, over trying to stop other people from leveling.

What you honestly expect Horde are going to buy the expansion, just to stop other people from playing it? Pfft.

I however, will be leveling my zombie monk!

I think this time last year, people were fussing about The Goons intending to camp Gilneas? Stop worgen from leveling? or some bullshit, last time I checked, you had plenty of 85 werewolves knocking about.

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