Re: Warlords of Draenor - General Discussion

by **Zouyo** Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:42 am

Hmm... some interesting mini-lore tidbits in the boss notes released recently.

Blackrock Foundry

Spoiler:

Auchindoun

Spoiler:

Very interesting... and also a possible set-up for the next expansion perhaps after WoD?

by **Izzifix** Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:51 am

I sincerly hope my "past Kil'jaeden and current KJ figures out the timelineportal-stuff and team up to make azeroth BURN in the next expansion" comes true. Legion is cool. Velen's army of the Light-project is cool.

by **Tantzui** Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:00 pm

I just don't get it. Why would there be two Kil'jaedens? Did he used to hang around Draenor in the past, why? Razz

by **Littlepip** Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:16 pm

What if our Kil'jaeden consumes their KJ's powers, making him a much greater threath.

by **Rmuffn** Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:04 pm

Guys, guys. Are you forgetting something?

Archimonde.

He's alive in the past.

Two KJ's and one Archimonde to break Azeroth a new Ahole!

by **Thelos** Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:07 pm

I'm rooting for everybody's favorite uncle Dan.

Gul'dan, that is.

by **Izzifix** Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:27 pm

Thelos wrote:I'm rooting for everybody's favorite uncle Dan.

Gul'dan, that is.

Got some really high hopes for that guy in this xpac What a Face

by **Tantzui** Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:23 pm

Rmuffn wrote:Guys, guys. Are you forgetting something?

Archimonde.

He's alive in the past.

Two KJ's and one Archimonde to break Azeroth a new Ahole!

Isn't Archimonde (and Kil'jaeden) in Argus, not Draenor? Atleast thats what i always had thought.. Question

by **Rmuffn** Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:17 pm

It's the past though? Not past Draenor, past.

by **Izzifix** Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:54 pm

You can obviously easily travel the geographical distance between past argus and draenor, and thanks to all the shenanigans we players will unleash on past draenor, it's not exactly going to be hard to guess for very powerful demons that something's up there.

by **Tantzui** Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:33 am

We are not going past time, past draenor is coming to this day. And this way Argus stays the way it is atm. Mh?

by **Rmuffn** Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:45 am

Tantzui wrote:We are not going past time, past draenor is coming to this day. And this way Argus stays the way it is atm. Mh?

No one is coming anywhere. O_o There's a portal. Connecting two places.

When you step through it, you're on past draenor, and whatever that entails for their surroundings.

Blizz has even said that Kil'Jaeden skipped going to Nerzhul (due to Garrosh's changes) and went straight for Gul'dan. And I'm feeling like that means past-Kil'Jaeden.

by **Izzifix** Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:13 pm

Tantzui wrote:We are not going past time, past draenor is coming to this day. And this way Argus stays the way it is atm. Mh?

Past Argus and past Draenor are connected, by the actual space they both exist in. They coexist in "past universe" geographicly not portal-timeliney. "Past universe" is connected to "Present universe" by portal, and thus becoming a part of "present reality".

My own reasoning, but in a box wrote:
I'll try listing my reasoning:
Past Draenor = Small part of "Past universe"
Past Argus = Another small part of "Past universe"
Outland, Azeroth and the things we know = Parts of the "Present universe"

-----GARROSH TRAVELS THROUGH TIME AND SPACE-----

"Past universe" and "Present universe" are now linked.
"Past universe" + "Present universe" = the new "Present reality"

Within that given "Present reality" you can find both "past Argus" and "present Azeroth"

That is my understanding of the situation. As far as I can tell, few but überpowerful demon lords will be able to take advantage of this, due to the great distances and overall impractical nature of it all.

by **erwtenpeller** Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:21 pm

Not to mention they're not what the plot is about!

by **Littlepip** Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:40 pm

Here is the easiest way I know how to explain time travel.

He went back in time and created a new dimension by changing shit, nothing will happen to our timeline. Just watch Back to the Future.

by **erwtenpeller** Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:41 pm

Except that our time is being invaded by brown orcs from the past, of course.

History repeating itself!

In all sorts of ways!

by **Izzifix** Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:59 pm

Ariel wrote:Here is the easiest way I know how to explain time travel.

He went back in time and created a new dimension by changing shit, nothing will happen to our timeline. Just watch Back to the Future.

This is wrong in every sense of it, as far as I can tell. Our timeline and world is now a part of the "new dimension", or it wouldn't matter, and we wouldn't bother doing anything about it, and the new expansion would be called Warlords of [insert name of Old Content].

by **Ixirar** Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:05 pm

According to Blizzard, we're not time traveling in the way that we're going back in time. We're time traveling in the way that we're bringing old draenor forward to our point in time. It's becoming part of our present world, we're not going back to it.

by **Izzifix** Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:15 pm

I think I've argued my point of view enough. This discussion proves rather well how much you break your fictional universe, and reader/player comprehension, when you allow timetravel in any form at all.

by **erwtenpeller** Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:32 pm

Only the very few people that over-think it.

"Brown orcs are coming to kill all our shit - Let's go stop them, and then kill all their shit."

That's all one really needs be concerned about.

by **Izzifix** Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:42 pm

Been cursed with the need to make sense of things.

It's ruining my entertainment every day Sad

by **Dolerien** Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:08 pm

As I posted on the other guys WoD thread, Doc Brown does explain it best:

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by **Littlepip** Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:16 pm

No, yeah I think I did pretty good explanation.. Dimensions being different timelines.

by **Izzifix** Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:16 pm

Abulos: That picture is a BS simplification. In the current reality, all of those are true. Beta universe and alpha universe are linked by portal.

Screw this discussion, I stand by the point that beta-KJ on beta-argus now possibly can enter alpha-azeroth. Dwy out.

by **erwtenpeller** Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:54 pm

Yes. They can.
But they won't.
So who cares?

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