The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
*Coughs* - Not me this time, I already have too many issues...
Lorainne/Bridlington- Posts : 1612
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
I might certainly be up for volunteering some characters to be suspects or cultists and so on, great looking event all in all.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
If you seek cultists in disguise: I have a gnome ready!
Tso/Feloreth- Posts : 407
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
I'd like to suggest that it might not be a good idea to plan too much up front as it might discourage preemptive action. I am already sceptical about this event as it seems to me that the Holy Orders have much to lose and little to gain from it. However, it would be even worse if we were not given the opportunity to manage it to the best of our ability. It wouldn't be fair if our efforts were predestined to be ineffective just because the organisers of the event had planned it to go in a different direction.
This event is likely to be immensely complex, much more than simply an excuse for a crusade against cultists. There are many political considerations to be dealt with, such as the image of the Church and its relationship with the temporal authorities. If we are not careful, an event such as this could completely change the political landscape of Stormwind. For instance, will the Disciples of Light find themselves forced to distance themselves from the Cathedral because the Cathedral has been tainted, or could the Disciples find themselves unwelcome at Council Meetings in future, or even banished from Stormwind, because of a schism between the Church and the Kingdom?
This event is likely to be immensely complex, much more than simply an excuse for a crusade against cultists. There are many political considerations to be dealt with, such as the image of the Church and its relationship with the temporal authorities. If we are not careful, an event such as this could completely change the political landscape of Stormwind. For instance, will the Disciples of Light find themselves forced to distance themselves from the Cathedral because the Cathedral has been tainted, or could the Disciples find themselves unwelcome at Council Meetings in future, or even banished from Stormwind, because of a schism between the Church and the Kingdom?
Valestrion- Posts : 234
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
It's not just those connected to the Church at risk. Tarvik and Gen have been volunteered to Fortesgue's list. The entire Council are under suspicion, by the sound of it, because fo their close links to the Church.
This plus the famine..If it all goes as well as I hope it will it should be the best couple of months I've ever seen on Defias! (yeah, yeah, I've only been here a year, leave me alone. )
Just roll with it and see where the story takes us.
This plus the famine..If it all goes as well as I hope it will it should be the best couple of months I've ever seen on Defias! (yeah, yeah, I've only been here a year, leave me alone. )
Just roll with it and see where the story takes us.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Valestrion wrote:I am already sceptical about this event as it seems to me that the Holy Orders have much to lose and little to gain from it.
'Losing' in RP is not bad. What you gain is great conflict RP. Cultists and other criminal groups have to deal with that as part and parcel of their existence, the Light orders should be able to handle it just fine, too.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Ultimately, and to my great sorrow i do not think we shall see priests marching to the gallows so realisticly you lose nothing. Maybe a few people might cast comment, "i know they were cleared but i 'ave my doubts" kind of thing, which is quite fun.
What do you feel you can lose from this?
What do you feel you can lose from this?
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Geneviève wrote:It's not just those connected to the Church at risk. Tarvik and Gen have been volunteered to Fortesgue's list. The entire Council are under suspicion, by the sound of it, because fo their close links to the Church.
This plus the famine..If it all goes as well as I hope it will it should be the best couple of months I've ever seen on Defias! (yeah, yeah, I've only been here a year, leave me alone. )
Just roll with it and see where the story takes us.
I lol at the thought of fat Jarric sweating through a cross examination xD If nobles/council do become suspected it would very much tie into the revolutions "the leaders are to blame!"
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Fortesgue wrote:I also need some volunteers to make alts who will act as Twilights Hammer operatives and plant evidence, cause a ruckus and such.
Us Cultists can take care of that. No need for alts to be made. We'd be quite happy to plant evidence and cause some confusion on who is what. Contact me or Ondius for the Eyes of the Dark Realm to snag this role.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Lexgrad/Dreth wrote:Ultimately, and to my great sorrow i do not think we shall see priests marching to the gallows so realisticly you lose nothing. Maybe a few people might cast comment, "i know they were cleared but i 'ave my doubts" kind of thing, which is quite fun.
What do you feel you can lose from this?
If it comes down to it, I think we can arrange the hanging of alts and such if we wish it.
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In part I agree with Valestrion in avoiding too much preplanning (but then, I think Fort do to ). Hence why I phrased my volounteering that particular way. I don't want to decide that Gahalla does get arrested, that should SI7 do if they find cause for it. I am however prepared to be arrested, should that be what they find suitable. I really think the same should apply to all of us (that volounteers). They only arrest those they have a good IC reason to arrest.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
I believe that all should live up to their name and accept the possibility of being arrested at any time possible. What happens, however, will be discussed between the military organisation arresting said person and the person himself.
For example, when a person says that it is OK for his character to be hanged, then he shall be hanged if the accusations prove to be serious enough. But if the person clearly states that he does not want his character condemned to death, then other deals should be made, such as waterhoarding, whipping and shunning, in the most severe cases.
For example, when a person says that it is OK for his character to be hanged, then he shall be hanged if the accusations prove to be serious enough. But if the person clearly states that he does not want his character condemned to death, then other deals should be made, such as waterhoarding, whipping and shunning, in the most severe cases.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
May be instead of pre-set phases and such, we just throw the simple fact into the public's face at a pre-set time: Archbishop is a TRAITOR....and let various organizations etc decide how they want to roll from there?
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
I can come in as a semi-neutral party with Thelos, or I can play several alt characters in riots and such. Just tell me what I need and I'll put on the appropiate costume. Add me to "the list", if there is any.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Cyrdain wrote:Fortesgue wrote:I also need some volunteers to make alts who will act as Twilights Hammer operatives and plant evidence, cause a ruckus and such.
Us Cultists can take care of that. No need for alts to be made. We'd be quite happy to plant evidence and cause some confusion on who is what. Contact me or Ondius for the Eyes of the Dark Realm to snag this role.
Great. This is the spirit.
Honestly, I'm a little bit despressed about the current state of the RP-community because of this.
Really, every big plot that is being discussed, that has the potential to actually affect the RP of this community, is being drowned out, by the cry for ALTs to speck up numbers.
Wanna riot?
make an alt and join the angry peasants.
Want to be hanged?
make an alt.
want cultists running amock spreading rumours?
Lets make an alt guild.
and then there are people that will not join in on an event, because it might potentionally give them IC conflict.
so, I'll ask this:
What the hell happened?
The exact Point of RP is to create situations that -Your- Character should handle. create problems, possible solutions, conflict, with yourself, with your friends with your enemies. so you're made to make a decision.
Everytime there is a plot being thought up that has the potential to force all the people participating to make a decision, its being drowned out by the call for alts, because for some reason people don't wish to ruin their little tea-party and looking on from the outside, because your char is too good or to bad to mess with this crap.
We cannot expect to actually have character driven RP if -Everyone- stays on the sidelines, reflecting on the stupidity of the situation over your pint, while Massive Alt guilds actually do the RP...
It makes no sense.
everybody should be able to be dragged in every situation against that person's ic will, because hey. that's life not everything happens to plan, so go with the flow.
Point is if we want civil unrest amongst the populace, every guild should make the choice ICly what to support.
and if it turns out that none of the guild actually is going to riot. that simply means there is no bloody civil unrest. because nobody is rioting.
and if its just the cartel doing the rioting, well that's normal.
since if its only alts doing the unresting and shizzle, an all the rest just talk about "did you hear about the plebs rioting again? lol.. lets move on want another ale?"
There's really nothing interresting going on.
poorly worded rant /over
*Disclaimer* If your character is not in the theatre where the plot finds place, i can understand the willingness to get an alt and come in with the action but that's a different matter*
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Amaryl wrote:Cyrdain wrote:Fortesgue wrote:I also need some volunteers to make alts who will act as Twilights Hammer operatives and plant evidence, cause a ruckus and such.
Us Cultists can take care of that. No need for alts to be made. We'd be quite happy to plant evidence and cause some confusion on who is what. Contact me or Ondius for the Eyes of the Dark Realm to snag this role.
Great. This is the spirit.
Honestly, I'm a little bit despressed about the current state of the RP-community because of this.
Really, every big plot that is being discussed, that has the potential to actually affect the RP of this community, is being drowned out, by the cry for ALTs to speck up numbers.
Wanna riot?
make an alt and join the angry peasants.
Want to be hanged?
make an alt.
want cultists running amock spreading rumours?
Lets make an alt guild.
and then there are people that will not join in on an event, because it might potentionally give them IC conflict.
so, I'll ask this:
What the hell happened?
The exact Point of RP is to create situations that -Your- Character should handle. create problems, possible solutions, conflict, with yourself, with your friends with your enemies. so you're made to make a decision.
Everytime there is a plot being thought up that has the potential to force all the people participating to make a decision, its being drowned out by the call for alts, because for some reason people don't wish to ruin their little tea-party and looking on from the outside, because your char is too good or to bad to mess with this crap.
We cannot expect to actually have character driven RP if -Everyone- stays on the sidelines, reflecting on the stupidity of the situation over your pint, while Massive Alt guilds actually do the RP...
It makes no sense.
everybody should be able to be dragged in every situation against that person's ic will, because hey. that's life not everything happens to plan, so go with the flow.
Point is if we want civil unrest amongst the populace, every guild should make the choice ICly what to support.
and if it turns out that none of the guild actually is going to riot. that simply means there is no bloody civil unrest. because nobody is rioting.
and if its just the cartel doing the rioting, well that's normal.
since if its only alts doing the unresting and shizzle, an all the rest just talk about "did you hear about the plebs rioting again? lol.. lets move on want another ale?"
There's really nothing interresting going on.
poorly worded rant /over
*Disclaimer* If your character is not in the theatre where the plot finds place, i can understand the willingness to get an alt and come in with the action but that's a different matter*
Poorly worded rant, perhaps. But it's still exactly how Tarv and I have been feeling for months.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Amaryl wrote:Everytime there is a plot being thought up that has the potential to force all the people participating to make a decision, its being drowned out by the call for alts, because for some reason people don't wish to ruin their little tea-party and looking on from the outside, because your char is too good or to bad to mess with this crap.
That cracked me up.
Though seriously, I completely agree with you, Amaryl. I have forged this character, Lorainne, for the last three/four months to be deep, personal and generally interesting in my eyes. With this in mind I put her out there to be a 'rebel', who can easily be arrested and condemned to death any moment! Why you ask? Because I want to do something with the community! I don't want to create -yet another- hollow character that screams: REVOLT! No, I want a deep character with personal twists and reasoning as to -why- she wishes to risk her life for this.
Of course it would make me sad if she were to be arrested, and see her die on my screen, but I would have to take it like a proper RPer. Like all of you should!
If you role play in a densily populated area, be sure to remember that your characters -should- always get involved, and cannot simply stand at the sideline and pick their nose while the alts, mostwithout personality, rampage on the streets and possibly be executed. C'est la vie!
Sorry for the 'personal' story there, but I hope it made my point clear. You can cherish your character, but you -should- be able to let go when needed.
To answer you too, Fortesque, I could have my Gnome support the Twilight Hammer, if she were to be convinced in proper fashion.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Got to agree with Amaryl too, although it's not always bad to use alts, it should definitely not become a habbit.
Thumbs up to the ideas thus far by the way. I'm really looking forward to this.
Thumbs up to the ideas thus far by the way. I'm really looking forward to this.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
In short: because for every black eye you deal, you get 10 people wanting to keelhaul you in return and call it just OOCly.
Secondly, if you let your character hanged, shot, bludgeoned and married with every campaign or event, then not even Dallas can keep up with the level of personal drama you make.
So yes... I would be very careful at choosing an event where such a great thing could occur to my character, for I believe such a thing should happen only a very few times to a char in their entire RP career.
Secondly, if you let your character hanged, shot, bludgeoned and married with every campaign or event, then not even Dallas can keep up with the level of personal drama you make.
So yes... I would be very careful at choosing an event where such a great thing could occur to my character, for I believe such a thing should happen only a very few times to a char in their entire RP career.
Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
That's the thing though JP,
that doesn't excuse the massive usage of alts just have seemingly interresting plots that at the end of the day had no effect on your char, the community and we just go along get back to the normal situation.
Build up is where it lies, get your char's involvled somehow and go with the flow. its not about being shot twenty four seven, its not about letting your character die if you dont want to its, having your char play a role in the plot that's happening. even if its a minor one.
you can back up a group of people demanding to see the council for answers.
you can RP scared and frightened about what SI-7 is doing, or clearly come out and say they're the good guys and the church are all evil bastards and that will create rp around you through interactions and low-cost conflicts. but its still character development its still community development, without actually "hurting" your own character, but you are giving it direction based on the events of the world and not what you as the player specifically think the character should go.
nobody can force you to have your char die and i'm not advocating that, but i'm advocating involving your mains into the bloody rp and not stand around on the sidelines looking on.
that doesn't excuse the massive usage of alts just have seemingly interresting plots that at the end of the day had no effect on your char, the community and we just go along get back to the normal situation.
Build up is where it lies, get your char's involvled somehow and go with the flow. its not about being shot twenty four seven, its not about letting your character die if you dont want to its, having your char play a role in the plot that's happening. even if its a minor one.
you can back up a group of people demanding to see the council for answers.
you can RP scared and frightened about what SI-7 is doing, or clearly come out and say they're the good guys and the church are all evil bastards and that will create rp around you through interactions and low-cost conflicts. but its still character development its still community development, without actually "hurting" your own character, but you are giving it direction based on the events of the world and not what you as the player specifically think the character should go.
nobody can force you to have your char die and i'm not advocating that, but i'm advocating involving your mains into the bloody rp and not stand around on the sidelines looking on.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
I agree with Amaryl, this is why we have mains that tend to be in high places, so we can do stuff with a bit of influence behind us.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
The entire Council are under suspicion, by the sound of it, because fo their close links to the Church.
Only three members would be under suspicion because of them being Paladins, don't get your information wrong. Plus, any prominent figure would come become a target for the SI:7 so no one is safe, not even the nobles.
And to clarify regarding the alts, I am quite sure people will be present on their mains, but let's face it, some might enjoy playing expendable Twilight Hammer goons/cultists ready to cause some chaos, I doubt anyone would like to get his main killed (There might be some, who knows!) but main point is, it adds these little bits of immersion that would make it even more awesome. And not like Stormwind is already populated by superheroes.
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
I'm all for this event. I agree with some points here such as "alts shouldn't always be created", and "losing in RP is not bad". I'm very much terrified one of my characters will feel the wrath of Geldar's axe and the SI:7 once this comes up, but heck, that's what makes it fun!!
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Well I disagree... Hm, but maybe I can't find a common ground because of the way the arguments are presented.
Not every fart in this city should suffocate every inhabitant. Not every idea should impact everyone's main. If we would, then every character alive, including yours, Amy, would have to be one heck of a mary sue.
Imagine the pope would be guilty of mass murder. Would you suddenly invade spain because a large portion of its population tends to be Catholic? Or will you personally arrest every poor priest in your street?
I agree with the point that we should dare letting mains get involved, but what exactly is it you ask? That we reveal mains as being cultists when they had little to do with the matter? This is perhaps.. the real question and point of confusion. I don't have a character that could suddenly be revealed as cultist.
Would I mind JP getting arrested? Heck no. I'd probably have a blast. Would I mind him being falsely accused? No, I wouldn't. I'll play along. Would I permit him, unaware IC, that he is associating with cultists? Of course.
But turning a char into something he isn't just so I could place a main's ass on the line is bollocks. If you need me as a cultist, it will have to be an alt.
So.. what is it you ask?
Not every fart in this city should suffocate every inhabitant. Not every idea should impact everyone's main. If we would, then every character alive, including yours, Amy, would have to be one heck of a mary sue.
Imagine the pope would be guilty of mass murder. Would you suddenly invade spain because a large portion of its population tends to be Catholic? Or will you personally arrest every poor priest in your street?
I agree with the point that we should dare letting mains get involved, but what exactly is it you ask? That we reveal mains as being cultists when they had little to do with the matter? This is perhaps.. the real question and point of confusion. I don't have a character that could suddenly be revealed as cultist.
Would I mind JP getting arrested? Heck no. I'd probably have a blast. Would I mind him being falsely accused? No, I wouldn't. I'll play along. Would I permit him, unaware IC, that he is associating with cultists? Of course.
But turning a char into something he isn't just so I could place a main's ass on the line is bollocks. If you need me as a cultist, it will have to be an alt.
So.. what is it you ask?
Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Newsbreak:
Looks like the Beta might be coming soon. How long do the beta tests usually lasts? About two months, right?
Looks like the Beta might be coming soon. How long do the beta tests usually lasts? About two months, right?
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Re: The Jig is Up, Cathedral, 20:00 Sunday the 4th of December.
Jeanpierre wrote:So.. what is it you ask?
this
Jeanpierre wrote:
Would I mind JP getting arrested? Heck no. I'd probably have a blast. Would I mind him being falsely accused? No, I wouldn't. I'll play along. Would I permit him, unaware IC, that he is associating with cultists? Of course.
Same with the upcoming famine plot and the idea of civil unrest.
will the different guilds in sw, actually contribute. will the seals take a position? Will the blades, will the regiment, will the cartel, will the chapter, will the disciples, will cultists? will they be opposed to each other or all on the same side. will they clash in conflict or will they all hold hands?
or will all the rioting be done by alts and all the mains just go "meh" look at the silly peasants. because the current world doesn't fit with your imagined character?
will your knight stand in line for the granary will he make his voice heard later so that once this plot is done, it will have a continued impact on how he behaved himself during the famine by the rest of the community.
i'm not saying be something you're not. but i am saying let the world flow with your main into situations where he shouldn't be, doesn't have answers, doesn't have a stake in, but still needs to cope in a supposed web of lies and assumptions?
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