Bloodwind: OOC and IC Power

As Julia said already, it seems fairly obvious that whoever arranges an event is in charge of it.

As for the heat towards my person, I RP in various different sets, from relentless to lightforge to full cloth/leather. Relentless being my character's combat armour, it seems pretty obvious to be fighting in this. Oh and in case you didn't notice, that includes pieces not at all related to my pvp gear - relentless healing boots, as the dps version is made only to match a different set, some level 36 or so sword - I could go on but I really do not see the point. The main reason for my irritation at the paladin in question was that it was so stupidly obvious that his presence was the result of meta gaming, I don't deal with that kind of stuff. And as a last note on the matter, I do not duel for personal prestige, as duels, even with people in equal gear, is pointless as a result of the game not being balanced around 1v1 whatsoever. And in the case of ret paladin vs ret paladin in more or less equal gear, luck is the deciding factor unless either is completely retarded.

As for character flaws, that is a very touchy subject - one you should be very careful with when you don't hold all the cards. Claiming a character you do not know well is flawless is pointless. You should not jump to conclusions. Some characters may seem perfect, but have severe flaws beyond the surface, I certainly know a lot of characters that fit into this cathegory.

Regarding improvement, I am pretty sure we as a guild have never claimed to have power over any other guild against their will. Yes, we do have several members in high positions. How do you suggest we change this? Switch friends maybe? Please.

After reading it all I find myself agreeing with what some people have already said or hinted - a matter of jealousy for the most part. Okay so we are successful. Our success is a result of the hard work put down by our members and their dedication to make things happen, as well as the general community's cooperation to our events. After all, the more guilds and individuals are involved in whatever is going on the better (within the borders of reason), at least I see it that way.

It seems some people have forgotten one of the points of RP which is to know other people's characters deeper and better, rather than make assumptions. Someone may seem perfect, but they may have an underlying agenda. Though I'm not for or against the council (I really am not enough in the scene to make a judgement) I don't think they'd allow a Mary-Sue on board.

Even if Mandui should be hanged like the goat/virgin-sacrificing monstrosity she is.

TEAM DEATHMATCH

Du, du du du, du, (Tuu, tuu!) du, du, du du.

Lez do 'dis..

Grayden wrote:It seems some people have forgotten one of the points of RP which is to know other people's characters deeper and better, rather than make assumptions. Someone may seem perfect, but they may have an underlying agenda. Though I'm not for or against the council (I really am not enough in the scene to make a judgement) I don't think they'd allow a Mary-Sue on board.

Even if Mandui should be hanged like the goat/virgin-sacrificing monstrosity she is.

What do you mean with not being enough in the scene?! DUN WE CONTROL U MAGGOT?!

Boys! GET HIM!

Oh FUUUU----

Grayden wrote:Oh FUUUU----

Butbutbut...everyone claims we control them! We have an image to keep up here!

I know very little of Bloodwind... As far as I heard, they were just some random PvP Guild that was of little concern to anyone; until, ofcourse, I noticed alot of people start joining...

Just to add my own comments on this: If they claim to own The Stormwind Army and/or SI:6, I don't support them (as such a guild should never have that much power). As far as I'm aware, Mandui isn't openly a shadow priest - so I don't care much. If you are the guys who were causing my former guild ideas to fail, "I hate you" wouldn't even half describe my feelings of disdain (although, since there's no proof, I'm doubtful).

Why do these rumours make me think that this is either an offspring of the GES channel or a WoW-version of The Illuminati...?

Mandui wrote:
Ain't it funny and a little sad at the same time though? You take the initiative to plan things for the realm and you get this. No wonder people cba organizing anything anymore

*points to self a hundred thousand times and a folder full of "Old Guild Ideas" in his room, in which there is at least 3 pages of elaborate information and website links on each*

Yeah, it is a little sad. Until, ofcourse, you give up. After that, you eventually get into a constant cycle of hopelessness and give up on your ideas earlier and earlier each time. Where I am now, if I hear one piece of criticism I tend to give up on any guild idea.

Etular wrote:If they claim to own The Stormwind Army and/or SI:6, I don't support them (as such a guild should never have that much power).

God bless we don't then

Well they most definately don't own the SI:6...

XDD

How about the SI:5?

I heard that was the name of a cooking shop near where I live.

Mandui wrote:

Trave/Vargosh/Thandros wrote:Mandui. You were acting above. I saw that when Valestrion refused to co-operate. And the way that whoever-she-is-woman were just a complete arse.

You can be coordinating without pushing people down and acting as if their superirs. That's called co-operation. Always more than one way to approach a person.

I'm just saying. Not complaining on the events themselves or how you spank each other in your Bloodwind Sauna. But, well. There are equals outside your guild!

(No, Nayan. I'm not insulting anyone.)

You are mixing IC with OOC, yet again. We are fully cooperating with all the participants OOCly. ICly, our characters may clash, throw insults, have duels, slap eachother and whatnot. Just like the shield who kept insulting Netherian or other similar incidents. Keep IC away from OOC.

Whatever. No point if you're going to accuse people for mixing IC and OOC.

Forgive my ignorance, since I tend to avoid Stormwind a lot when it comes to roleplay and I am not really in touch with what happens there(sorry Cathedral square freaked me out, perhaps Deathwing should reconsider about the place he will destroy?) but...

How can anyone be able to control the Stormwind army Icly? I just find it a bit, impossible without agreement on sides all involved. Even if someone tries to appoint him/her as such without one, you can always just use a simple claim of " Only King Varian has such authority" or something as simple.

No one does RP controlling the SW army, Gil. I think that was the point Mikasa was trying to clear up -- while some characters play officers in the Stormwind army, no one RPs that they're in charge of the whole thing.

Hence people blowing things out of propertion. Like the OP "Not caring about Bloodwind" the moment he is asked to take that earlier topic to the council forums which was a bit ??????????????.

Aniane/Rohwyn wrote:No one does RP controlling the SW army, Gil. I think that was the point Mikasa was trying to clear up -- while some characters play officers in the Stormwind army, no one RPs that they're in charge of the whole thing.

I figured as much. What I was saying is that even if someone was trying to, as a task it is not possible to pull off.

Though I did note something interesting while reading this. People frown if someone use pvp gear in Rp combat situations?

Even if my lesser wizard robe, violet hat and Continuum blade look nice as an Rp set, a character could easily realise that it is not the ideal garbment for a combat/battle situation. In my mind a clothie would try to some sort of reinforced cloth armor with multiple layers (a linothorax is an interesting example from ancient times) which also augments his/her magical abilities (current pvp resilience gear would be close to that description) and a weapon that not only augments power but perhaps the user is proficient in use (Shame game mechanics seriously restrict this).

Obviously pre planned events can be agreed to have limit on gear (fine and well) or restrict in the use of certain outfits...
But in battle/dangerous situations someone does not jump with a ceremonial armor or sword.

Obviously kicking butt in style feels awesome but ICly someone would try to pick their attire based on practical needs?

Dear children, perhaps it is time for Gogol and Anaei to get married?
Change the status quo.
Ahhh.. Makes me shiver just thinking about the prospect in it.

Overthrow those lumbering Bloodwinder brutes, in a united fist of.. ...Power.

All I get from this thread is bloodwind defending the fact they practically monopolise the entire roleplaying heirarchy.

I get the whole " Bloodwind was formed after we all become really good people on the council." but thats what gets me, why do you never step down and let other people take up your actions, ya know.. like real politics, on the subject of this.

Mandui, why are you on the Stormwind Council when your a Draenei Shadow priest, isn't that like having a french person in british Parlement?


The whole thing smacks of " RP buddy circlejerk." to me.

and I bet I am going to be banned for this like I did when I called out Elizabeth or stated my Opinion on Geldar.

Halazz wrote:All I get from this thread is bloodwind defending the fact they practically monopolise the entire roleplaying heirarchy.

I get the whole " Bloodwind was formed after we all become really good people on the council." but thats what gets me, why do you never step down and let other people take up your actions, ya know.. like real politics, on the subject of this.

The whole thing smacks of " RP buddy circlejerk." to me.

Because WoW is obviously ruled like a modern democracy. I see no reason why people should step down as long as they do their job well. I have on several occasions seen new people be approved to the council as well.

And something I seem to have forgotten earlier - I cannot think of a single "new and refreshing" RP idea/guild staged by someone that has been beaten down by the community or council. Except things that absolutely don't make sense of course. I might be ignorant though, in which case, would anyone care to mention an example of this?

Netherian Helmsley wrote:

Because WoW is obviously ruled like a modern democracy. I see no reason why people should step down as long as they do their job well. I have on several occasions seen new people be approved to the council as well.

And something I seem to have forgotten earlier - I cannot think of a single "new and refreshing" RP idea/guild staged by someone that has been beaten down by the community or council. Except things that absolutely don't make sense of course. I might be ignorant though, in which case, would anyone care to mention an example of this?

Well I personally have no idea about general Alliance RP, but I am speaking from a broad, outsider's look on things.

Say for example Geldar steps down as chairman of whatever and someone takes his place, isn't that generating alot of interesting roleplay along with it? Geldar still takes part in it and such, but you can see in the whole new direction where the new guy might go. It's something I would personally do because it adds an interesting new chapater to my character and to add a little bit more roleplay to the community.

But hey, thats just me.

Well I personally have no idea about general Alliance RP, but I am speaking from a broad, outsider's look on things.

Carefull there, knowing half a truth about something is worse than beeing ignorant about it.

Say for example Geldar steps down as chairman of whatever and someone takes his place, isn't that generating alot of interesting roleplay along with it? Geldar still takes part in it and such, but you can see in the whole new direction where the new guy might go. It's something I would personally do because it adds an interesting new chapater to my character and to add a little bit more roleplay to the community.

From my limited knowledge on how the council works, someone could try to run as a canditate for the post and gain it with enough Council vote support.

Having someone try to rally enough support to try and gain any sort of spot in the Council, with all the Rp, drama, extortion and political coming along with it, would be interesting to see.


In the end if you dislike something about roleplay around you, try to fix it don't whine about it.
Or just start something to your liking.

Stormwind does not have to be the main human roleplay hub. I can think of a lot suitable places.
Theramore comes to mind. Menethil and Nethergarde keep can also be interesting.

Halazz wrote:
Mandui, why are you on the Stormwind Council when your a Draenei Shadow priest, isn't that like having a french person in british Parlement?

Why don't people read threads before replying and repeating points that were already discussed to hell and back? -_-

Because it still makes absolutely no sense.

Elízabéth Moren wrote:Because it still makes absolutely no sense.

I doubt you are one to tell others what makes sense and what doesn't :/

Im not. But my point is still valid.