Bloodwind: OOC and IC Power

Allow me to give an example of what the Council could be however. On Argent Dawn there is a guild called "The Court", it is led by a person who has proclaimed himself Highlord of Stormwind, this guild controls litterally all RP on the Alliance Stormwind community.

They do not control anything because on argent down people realise that such guilds should not excist.. ehm.. they are being heavily flamed and I could tell because I'm an ex member of the royal court. They do stick to the lore how ever.. How ever I prefer our current council above them but still I think that OUR council should be a little bit.. different, sort of

Anyways.. perhaps we should try this from a different angle.
What do you all think that could improve or should change a little?

Let me put this under a different angle aswell. Perhaps, people can assist the Council a little with what they do? We`ve had a number of individuals coming and wishing to help, and they`ve given some brilliant ideas which we now use, but to the point. What can people do to help the Council work better?

PS: I have an alt on AD and I`ve seen a few people there and also I have people who are in the Court currently and I am getting the info from there!

As for improvements, you made the thread, go ahead and suggest? Perhaps reply to my post?

Alright! I shall. How ever.. I shouldn't be the only one to come with suggestions

Karkath/Màrag wrote:And may I add: It's hard to ignore ( not /ignore ) or avoid the council.
I do have a character where I can avoid them when ever I want, but on some concepts it's not entirely possible if you want to make it work because keep in mind that the council/bloodwind &community DO have ALOT of influence on the server.

Anyways.. perhaps we should try this from a different angle.
What do you all think that could improve or should change a little?

I personally do not agree with "Bloodwind should stay ooc" or "destroy the council". That's obviously out of question but yeah..

The council is only there to help Roleplay. I mean if your guild wants to go on a daisy picking spree go and do it the council is only there to provide Roleplay really to make things more intresting. I myself do not get involved with the council went there once before and just found it wasnt my thing. No one is forced to do anything.

I still wonder why you relate council and Bloodwind with each other :/

Well Mandui, wether it's true or not.. to ME it seem like one community, sort of. Anyways I have dinner and will try to come with some suggestions. Will be back to this thread asap today.

Karkath/Màrag wrote:

As for improvements, you made the thread, go ahead and suggest? Perhaps reply to my post?

Alright! I shall. How ever.. I shouldn't be the only one to come with suggestions

Maybe you should make a different thread about the council and leave Bloodwind's name away? Since you are turning this convo into one concerning the council.

Karkath/Màrag wrote:

I still wonder why you relate council and Bloodwind with each other :/

Well Mandui, wether it's true or not.. to ME it seem like one community, sort of. Anyways I have dinner and will try to come with some suggestions. Will be back to this thread asap today.

For suggestions, direct your attention to the Council open forum on well.. these forums and post it there so we can see, or make a thread, matters not where!

Geldar wrote:

Rasonal Dranger wrote:

Merandil wrote:
We really don't need RP moderators telling us what is and isn't coo', hooah? I do think people can be trusted to manage their own plot lines without constantly trying to throw a childish power-play into the mix.

Speaking for myself and only for myself, I have to agree with this. Nothing against the Council, or Bloodwind, or anyone else. But simply this. We really don't need RP moderators telling us what is and what isn't cool. But that's just my personal opinion.

Naturally Ras, I agree with that. Noone needs RP moderators telling you or me anything. But do tell me or give me an example of someone OOCly going and saying "No, you cannot RP that, change that."

Allow me to give an example of what the Council could be however. On Argent Dawn there is a guild called "The Court", it is led by a person who has proclaimed himself Highlord of Stormwind, this guild controls litterally all RP on the Alliance Stormwind community. And this guild led by this person decides who is a good Rper and who is a bad Rper depending on his mood/personal preferences/friend circle. Now imagine, those people decide if you are a good or bad Rper regardless of what you are, and if you go against them you are blacklisted instantly by the entire community.

This is an example of moderated RP, and from what one looks at it is very different to what the Council does. And furthermore, you are playing Horde, arent you? How come are you voicing an opinion regarding an ALLIANCE related subject in which you have no part of?

I have said my opinion regarding that. Not regarding the Council or anything of that kind.

If I may give a completely 'councillor' view.

This Bloodwind domination noncense is bull.. If things go bad the Alliance moans. If a guild comes along who wanna recharge rp and world pvp, they set up events etc. The Alliance moans.

This thread is just proof that people can -never- be satisfied. The Council is a seperate entity to Bloodwind. Stop linking the two please. There are THREE councillors in Bloodwind. Out of TEN.

So yeah.

Seems to sum it up Sanaje dear!. Anyhow to a more detailed post on my part;

Oh wait. I'm not going to beat a dead horse over the points explained but will touch on a few things.

About the AVR's. I can't speak for any of the other guys but Snow herself has it clipped into where her hair is most present, covering it up in style with a few placed clips to stop motion ruining the cover of the device. The advantage of being a woman.

I'm going to guess the "Bloodwind member[SI agent] part refers to me considering I did get arrested recently for ICly telling Rasonal's chapter toon to fuck off. Yes I did have him against a wall to get the point clear but didn't at all warrent beatings and whatnot what later happened. If it's not regarding that 'tis fine. [I'm not picking on the ones involved. I settled with it OOCly. I just strongly disagree'd with the stripping part. Rest was fine...If a bit of a criminalisation hypocrisy!].

And in terms of Moderator I got picked before I joined Bloodwind. I wasn't in the old Bloodwind either.

- All their members RP mostly in full PvP gear and are undefeatable in any form of combat. (From an IC perspective, PvP gear is horribly uneffective. All that extra weight and useless colours only makes you easy to spot, recognize and extra heavy.)

Nothing wrong with that. If you can obtain it, flaunt it. The thing is people put too much real detail into a video game. While it's all fine and dandy it's just something you got to live with by Blizzard's design. This gear in their "lore explenation" terms is that they're gear made for battle. We know thats OOCly their intention but there's -nothing- stopping it being IC intentive of that set too. For of course for armor that good it has magical qualities eh? Aslong as you're not a plate guy trying to outrun a dashing rogue in leather its all fine in my opinion. But hey I am biased because I have an arena pvp history yeah?. If I wanted to play hardcore lorelol I could just use my gladiator frostwyrm.

- Mistakes? What character makes mistakes? Often it seems like Bloodwinders are the perfect cliché characters, never will you catch them do anything foolish or realistic, or so many feel.

GET TO KNOW PEOPLE. Thats all I can say. I can't speak for all RP'ers in Bloodwind but there are certainly characters in the guild with flaws in their RP characters which as it should be. Geldar's a VINDICTIVE prick but we love him anyway. Mandui's not blue enough and Eselan murders the lyrics to All along the watchtower horribly. Oh right...Not THOSE flaws right?

Well I can say for certain Snow's biggest flaw is fear of her past. She's part of a defunct noble house which she ran from a decade ago for her own sister's protection. She endured the hardships and as a result of some RP..She's scared shitless of elementals, specifically water elementals. Pop one up and she'll freak. She's also scared of the identity of her mother among others maybe you should just get to learn IC, instead of assuming off your lack of effort to be more involved in the individuals of Bloodwind itself? It's an invitation to get to know our characters. Try it, you may like it if you put effort into knowing their lives.


I know you're trying to stay neatrul in this and all but stop spouting out of your ass.

And Merandil, for one who told me not so long ago Bloodwind and Dwarven Rifle squad is where the server went wrong I find this highly amusing in addition to the fact of countless stories I have heard of you freaking out on people who don't stay within your webbed grasp. Let people do what they want, don't bitch and you might not have alot of people with you on their ignore list. Take it as a kind hint to fix that attitude you suffer. You take this game's RP way too seriously to be at a healthy level.



Ramble over....OVER AND OUT.

I believe I too have said this before. The Council is not there to rule RP. It is there to help it on the way, creating events and fun plots, and other such things for IC usage. And it has succeeded in doing so for years. It is by far the best source for roleplay you can get. Sadly, instead of talking to us, people instantly think that because of what we roleplay we're arrogant pricks OOC who does not care about others opinions. Which is so far from the truth you can get. We made a Council open forum to show that we're very open for suggestions. Does it get used? No. People doesn't -want- to be reasonable with us.

Whats it called, Haters gonna hate? The Council itself doesn't need changing, its amazing at providing RP as it is. Still we do, we take things into consideration and change a little bit every week I'd say.

A friendly whisper to get up to date or just have a chat or laugh with us would do wonders, trust me. I know for certain every single minister currently in the Council are very kind people OOC, that are just here to have a good time, and also help the server having a good time in events etc.


With that said.. this was about Bloodwind. And again, Bloodwind and the Council has nothing to do with each others other then that some of the Ministers happen to be in it. Does it matter? It has never interfered with the Council itself, ever. The only thing I've personally seen Bloodwind doing is this current event, which yes the Council got involved in. But other guilds has joined with the Council to create events before, does that mean they are connected with the Council? No, not really.

Melf, I am insulted. I demand you change that part about me instantly, there isnt "vindictive" before the term you used. EDIT IT NAO

Geldar wrote:Melf, I am insulted. I demand you change that part about me instantly, there isnt "vindictive" before the term you used. EDIT IT NAO

Done and done.

Ovelia "Snow" Adair wrote:

Geldar wrote:Melf, I am insulted. I demand you change that part about me instantly, there isnt "vindictive" before the term you used. EDIT IT NAO

Done and done.

YOU MISPELLED IT >:O

Geldar wrote:

Ovelia "Snow" Adair wrote:

Geldar wrote:Melf, I am insulted. I demand you change that part about me instantly, there isnt "vindictive" before the term you used. EDIT IT NAO

Done and done.

YOU MISPELLED IT >:O

Bloody edit it yourself my moderator companion. Actually scratch that I don't trust you.

Whats it called, Haters gonna hate?

No I am not hating, not at all.

Going to post atleast one suggestion soon, at the council section. Other should do so too.

Karkath/Màrag wrote:

Whats it called, Haters gonna hate?

No I am not hating, not at all.

Going to post atleast one suggestion soon, at the council section. Other should do so too.

So...the Bloodwind matter is now settled or? You never referred to any of the replies concerning that.

Aye it's enough.

Not to restart the fire..But the OP wanted a healthy discussion out of this one that might be able to settle perhabs ~hatred?~ for some with Bloodwind thought instantly the discussion was seen as an frontal attack by many of the bloodwind members.

Karkath already had informed he in no way wanted this to be a massive flame war and he desired only for it to be taken in as a serious and mature way. Somehow this message doesn't seem to have broken through to some people here(Not pointing fingers..I hope you'll know who you are)
I can also understand that Bloodwind is quite sick of this, afterall there has been alot of dirt throwing going around now a days.

Bloodwind offers us great amounts of quality RP though they indeed have some flaws that need improving

-They love ganging up on people;
Yes it is I Bairen, who loltrolled roflpwnd at the Wetlands event. Challenging the paladin who was shredding through lower level'd Blazing shielders in Roleplay gear, using his pvp gear. If you want to RP-combat in pvp gear then so be it. But I see no ''fairness'' in challenging a person to an IC duel and then walsing over him in PVP gear. Instantly the alarm bells rang and Mikasa charged in to put me in my place. I only tried to prove a point but it was quickly taken in as offence. Yes I was abit rude and yes I ''baited'' for an reaction but as I said In all fairness; If you wear the <Bloodwind> Tag that doesn't mean you have to put everyone in their place by walsing over them in pvp gear.

-You have problems listening but so do we;
People oftenly try to resolve great issues such as Mandui in the council(Yes I dragged council and bloodwind together again..sue me.) the Geldar got shot incident and other things I have no wearabouts of. People start throwing dirt at eachother refusing to listen to one another and therefor it ends up with Geldar; ''Olololol'' Then Tirius; ''Raegraegraeg'' <-- This is just an example ofc!

I can add some more things but I think i've bothered you people enough with my dramatic grammer and spelling..I'll add things to the council topic aswel but I hope that my 2cents atleast added some value.

I believe that every guild has individuals in it which don't get along with other people. That is still no reason to generalize and draw the entire guild in those incidents. Try settling it with said individuals and if that doesn't seem to work, then contact an officer. What you mention here referring to Bloodwind, can very easily be applied to most of the RPing guilds on the server.

Bloodwind this. Bloodwind that.

Try talking to me (guild master Shinden!) or my officers in-game for a change.

Works wonders.

Some disclaimers:
1. I kept away from Stormwind exactly because I don't like that kind of rp.
2. I've no everyday contact with either "side" of the coin.
3. I'm not, I've never been, and I've never even remotely been interested in being part of the Council.
4. I'm not, I've never been, and I've never even remotely been interested in being part of Bloodwind. In fact, I think Ghost still hates my guts. *shrug*

I do, however, know some things, and I'd feel guilty if I didn't point them out. *cracks knuckles* Off we go.

1.

Merandil wrote:

- The Bloodwinders have quality RPers. They know what they’re doing and they do it good at times. You cannot complain about their RP-skill.

Bull-shit I can't.

Merandil wrote:-Refrained from the thuggish behaviour I've observed in which members group up to bitch and smudge people who have a grudge with others in the guild. It's not your concern, and it's harassment.

The irony is strong in this one, mark my words. Isn't that so, mister "roll alts to harass and grief" and "I perform a ritual, I get caught by a guard, I draw my gun so very slowly, I'm so cool, look at me... but this seasoned and well experienced warrior 1 meter away from me is forbidden to even make me miss my target. I'm cool like that."? Of all the people in the realm, you are the last to talk.
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Rasonal wrote:Speaking for myself and only for myself, I have to agree with this. Nothing against the Council, or Bloodwind, or anyone else. But simply this. We really don't need RP moderators telling us what is and what isn't cool. But that's just my personal opinion.

I'll agree. However, as an outsider, I keep seeing exactly that. The other way around as well, though. Isn't the entire conversation an attempt to "chop" IC power (to whatever extent it exists) by "modding" it without the subjects' wish? "Remove Mandui from the council!" isn't that an "intervention" to someone's rp? "Don't join that guild when you have any IC power" isn't that "modding" someone's RP? "Don't assume power by organizing events!" isn't that "modding" someone's RP? Don't participate if you're not interested, doubt there would be much to complain about. What's a King without his Kingdom? The fact people are following them all this time, kinda implies they want to.

So quit nagging just because you don't hold the golden egg yourself, go out there and do something.
Disclaimer: the above is not directed to Ras (the quote was just the base of thoughts for me), neither is it directed to the OP (as I see he's just trying to keep a reasonable conversation). It's in general to the qq'ers around. You know who you are.

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Alright! I shall. How ever.. I shouldn't be the only one to come with suggestions

I'm afraid you'll find it's very likely, as the vast majority does not really have legitimate motives behind their hate-spewing. They don't have valid suggestions, only demands to see things their way - simply because they don't hold the golden egg, as I said above.

4. A lot of this "riot" mentality comes from "mis-spread" information and forming impressions. I know it's been corrected already, but who exactly said that Bloodwind "moderate" these forums? As Sai said, it was one person (Geldar), which later raised to two when Ovelia joined Bloodwind as well. Should they be declined from the guild for being mods here? Or should they not be mods because of their guild? We also had two Sixty Thieves' mods in the past. And two Orcs of the Red Blade. Who cares about the guildtag, seriously? It's upstanding members of the RP community that devote their time and effort in here, nothing to do with their guild. Forming impressions can easily be "retracted" with a "ok, sorry, ignore that", but the fact is people wouldn't be so worked up if half of the inaccuracies spread were never spread to begin with.

5. Anyone else finds it funny how the Stormwind Council Open Area has an awesome total of six topics, four of them being the Council's stickies? Where's all the "contribution" from non-Council members, really? Cause, outside that area, the only constructive thread I've seen (or at least remember of), was this one. Nothing else. Surely, if the problem was that big and affecting so much, there would've been a lot more documentation about it?

Nayan, you have some very strong points there. I also wish to add just one thing about the guild and the Council. I distance myself from beeing a member of Bloodwind and a member of the Council and I never let one influence the other be it decision or event making. I really dont see what fuss there is if 3 people from the guild are present in the Council. In that line of logic, what does that make the awesome Dwarven Senate that is made from only DRS members which are infact the biggest guild on the server and represent the entire dwarven community?

What I am pointing towards, it doesnt matter to which guild you belong, it matters what actions you take to make difference which counts in the long run.

Jahi wrote:

-They love ganging up on people;
Yes it is I Bairen, who loltrolled roflpwnd at the Wetlands event. Challenging the paladin who was shredding through lower level'd Blazing shielders in Roleplay gear, using his pvp gear. If you want to RP-combat in pvp gear then so be it. But I see no ''fairness'' in challenging a person to an IC duel and then walsing over him in PVP gear. Instantly the alarm bells rang and Mikasa charged in to put me in my place. I only tried to prove a point but it was quickly taken in as offence. Yes I was abit rude and yes I ''baited'' for an reaction but as I said In all fairness; If you wear the <Bloodwind> Tag that doesn't mean you have to put everyone in their place by walsing over them in pvp gear.

A kinda short reply from my side, since I was indeed part of that. :3

If people would not want to fight Mr. Neth, they could have politely declined, couldn't they? Noone forced them to fight him. And his gear, which was mostly PvP gear, was in fact his RP gear at that time. It's not like PvP Gear can't be RP gear.
Then, you, Bairen, showed up. I have nothing against you, but it seemed a bit random you showed up, never the less! When you wanted to challenge Neth, you (as you said yourself) baited (insulted in a way?) him. I, as a part of the Regiment would not stand to see my superior repeatedly getting (sorry for the choice of words) insulted as he politely declined your fight. Yes, I was at fault for my sudden gear switch from Brutal to Wrathful, nothing I can say there.

At that time I for one did not not you wanted to prove a point. Only thought that strafed my mind was that you were annoyed by getting beat my Neth (I see not really why?) and called in the big gun. The offence part I am unsure of.. You mean we took it as an OOC offence, or IC?

Please do reply if I fucked up somewhere or was unclear. That's just my version, I might be wrong, as I am quite alot of the time :<

Mandui wrote:I believe that every guild has individuals in it which don't get along with other people. That is still no reason to generalize and draw the entire guild in those incidents. Try settling it with said individuals and if that doesn't seem to work, then contact an officer. What you mention here referring to Bloodwind, can very easily be applied to most of the RPing guilds on the server.

How does this though explain the behaviour that was displayed in this topic today? I mean can you honestly say you've even tried to look at it on Karkath's side? Perhabs even try to listen to him. All I saw was -Red Alert- ''Man the harpoons'' the moment this thread get launched off. I can start adding qoutes to this but as I've said, It's unwise to start pointing fingers.