No King Rules Forever

by **Magaskawee/Anaei** Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:14 am

I like a good lore discussion, so here's a fun topic.

What happens now in relation to Arthas?

Personally I think the corruption of Frostmourne will not have him 'forgiven' to any degree, but lead to understanding to why it happened. That blind vengeance leads only to bloodspill and pain.

But what do we do with Arthas? Do we leave his body to the whims of the Frozen Spire? Or do you think Tirion took him home, for a proper burial. Fit for a king? For even Terenas in his last moments forgave Arthas, as he says tenderly that it is all over and that "No King rules forever.."

Discuss!

by **Geldar** Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:23 am

He deserves to be left to rot ontop of the spire for all he has done to Lordaeron and Azeroth itself. He doesnt deserve to be burried like a king, nor a peasant but left there like a animal.

by **Sylreth** Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:48 am

Well, I'm personally addicted to Arthas and all his lore, It's one of my favorite characters on the Warcraft story so, I'd totally give him another ending, even a brutal one or so. This death felt so.... wtfpeacefulforgiving

He needed a different end, a very different one, tho there are a lot of speculation that the Old Gods might be planning something for him, as his final words were somehow connected to Yogg-Saron's, the "I see only darkness before me". For me, this would overuse and ruin and end that was meh by itself. The whole LK fight is disappointing IMO, where was Jaina? Where was Sylvanas? Where was Tirion? Oh right, frozen arse. That's just a lame excuse for not designing a much better fight, they could enter and go, like beaten ( Sylvanas ) or unable to kill him (Jaina) as we would carry the hammer. Instead we get a frozen Tirion and loads of repetitive stuff like the others... >_>

Anywho, I take it that Tirion took Arthas corpse from the spire, of course. But I'm not sure whether he'd bury him in Northrend or taking him to any Alliance town now, which would be kinda weird. He probably made a grave somewhere in Northrend.

I really feel disappointed tho, it's like the most disappointing fight in WoW for me...

by **Magaskawee/Anaei** Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:27 am

Sylreth wrote:Well, I'm personally addicted to Arthas and all his lore, It's one of my favorite characters on the Warcraft story so, I'd totally give him another ending, even a brutal one or so. This death felt so.... wtfpeacefulforgiving

He needed a different end, a very different one, tho there are a lot of speculation that the Old Gods might be planning something for him, as his final words were somehow connected to Yogg-Saron's, the "I see only darkness before me". For me, this would overuse and ruin and end that was meh by itself. The whole LK fight is disappointing IMO, where was Jaina? Where was Sylvanas? Where was Tirion? Oh right, frozen arse. That's just a lame excuse for not designing a much better fight, they could enter and go, like beaten ( Sylvanas ) or unable to kill him (Jaina) as we would carry the hammer. Instead we get a frozen Tirion and loads of repetitive stuff like the others... >_>

Anywho, I take it that Tirion took Arthas corpse from the spire, of course. But I'm not sure whether he'd bury him in Northrend or taking him to any Alliance town now, which would be kinda weird. He probably made a grave somewhere in Northrend.

I really feel disappointed tho, it's like the most disappointing fight in WoW for me...

I wanted my Sylvanas, Jaina and Muradin filled fight too.

by **Sanara** Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:21 am

I think he should be cremated, and his ashes spread over Icecrown glacier, destroying what little remains of the Lich King while still giving him a royal burial (Terenas himself was cremated) of sorts, but ultimately not tying him to an Alliance settlement or graveyard as it may be 'awkward' for the residents.

by **Malanar** Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:27 am

Terenas didn't have to forgive him.
He didn't hold a grudge against him for taking his throne.
Seeing as he was his son and Terenas trained him for that day for a long time, as per the voiceover in the WotLK intro clip; Terenas just didn't expect things to turn out in the manner they did.

In other words, even while imprisoned inside Frostmourne, he didn't begrudge or oppose Arthas unlike others he killed, Tirion or Uther, from what I can tell. So he appeared upon Arthas' death to take care of him one last time.

So aye, doubt anyone else cares about Arthas enough to give him a proper burial or something, but who knows, maybe Tirion would.

by **Jakins** Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:20 am

Sylreth wrote:Well, I'm personally addicted to Arthas and all his lore, It's one my favorite characters on the Warcraft story so, I'd totally give him another ending, even a brutal one or so. This death felt so.... wtfpeacefulforgiving

He needed a different end, a very different one, tho there are a lot of speculation that the Old Gods might be planning something for him, as his final words were somehow connected to Yogg-Saron's, the "I see only darkness before me". For me, this would overuse and ruin and end that was meh by itself. The whole LK fight is disappointing IMO, where was Jaina? Where was Sylvanas? Where was Tirion? Oh right, frozen arse. That's just a lame excuse for not designing a much better fight, they could enter and go, like beaten ( Sylvanas ) or unable to kill him (Jaina) as we would carry the hammer. Instead we get a frozen Tirion and loads of repetitive stuff like the others... >_>

Anywho, I take it that Tirion took Arthas corpse from the spire, of course. But I'm not sure whether he'd bury him in Northrend or taking him to any Alliance town now, which would be kinda weird. He probably made a grave somewhere in Northrend.

I really feel disappointed tho, it's like the most disappointing fight in WoW for me...

What the HELL are you talking about?

Listen, they are there IF you have someone with Shadowmourne who kills him for the first time.

You get a box filled with various trinkets.

Sylvanas, Jaina and all that appear at the bottom and you get a little RP event with them. You'll see the reason why they didn't interfere with the fight.

You give Jaina her locket that Arthas kept close to him, it says; "Once it held her image. He always wore it close to his heart".

You give Muradin his item, which says; "I will always count you as a brother".

He kept a music box from Sylvanas, which says; "A lament for the days lost to the Banshee Queen".

Seriously, they never needed to be in the fight. It was right for them to stay down at the bottom with the King/Warchief.

Get the tabard, Uther will appear. Ta-da.

Sylvanas speaks that she has to think of how Arthas bound the dead to their bodies, but they are free from their grasp. She's pretty much thinking "did he give us another chance of life after death?" so she doesn't get involved because of those feelings towards him. He revived a whole nation, after all.

Jaina naturally starts crying her eyes out at the sight of the locket, wondering whether he'll someday remember who he was. Arthas was going to marry Jaina *sniff*

Arthas kept the training sword Muradin gave him, Muradin explaining how he actually felt guilty over going to find the blade with Arthas and turning him into that, so his guilt got in the way of him being at the battle.

You get a different end if you have someone with a newly acquired Shadowmourne. Believe me, my raiding guild have gotten 2 of them so far and are just about to get another one.

As for the Old God speculation...that started at Ulduar in the Yogg-Saron fight. Yogg influenced the Lich King, he even says so himself in the Brain Room. That speculation is outdated.

by **Melnerag** Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:13 am

His corpse belongs in a museum!

by **Dorik Thunderbelly** Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:40 am

Imanuel wrote:His corpse belongs in a museum!

The plaque should read "It took about 10 to 25 people to get him down"

by Guest Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:34 am

collect ash in a bowl
fap
???
porridge!

by **Sylreth** Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:16 am

Woo, wasn't aware of that Jakins, thank you for the explanation

Sounds like a much more reasonable ending this way :nod:

As for the burial, I think it should go for the cremation as well but it should be a protected grave so no one will try to get himself to rise again my any means, even tho I'd highly doubt that Blizzard would continue using Arthas now. What's done, it's done and it's the dragon age from now on

by **Jakins** Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:31 am

As far as I'm aware, Arthas will be cremated.

If you remember, his dad was cremated. Arthas will most likely be cremated much like his father was.

And no problem.

by **Rhenchu** Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:48 pm

I believe that Tirion would take Arthas back to Lordaeron where he would give him a burial near Light's Hope Chapel as an example of the good in men, and what the Holy Light is able to defeat.

by **Magaskawee/Anaei** Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:07 pm

Thinking about it. I'd say 'cremation' so his body can't be used..

by **Grufftoof** Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:46 pm

Cremation isn't always the answer. Just look at Bolvar...

Though, well, the "power of the light knows no bounds". Whatever power Arthas had (as the Lich King) has gone. And certainly was no longer "of the light".

by **Saevir** Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:09 pm

Yeah, the Icecrown questchains made it pretty clear that Tirion had been convinced there no redeeming feature left inside of Arthas

by **Jakins** Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:12 pm

He received redemption in death after the curse was finally lifted, typically why they wish he will remember himself in death.

by **Zhakiri** Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:27 pm

Anaei/Vezullia/Minua wrote:Thinking about it. I'd say 'cremation' so his body can't be used..

Corpse Dust

by **Elízabéth Moren** Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:43 pm

Oh, and about the items that made everyone sad/guilty 'n' such so they didnt fight, to those who dont know, you get them after the fight. I belive they drop from a chest.

The locket with a picture of Jaina in it, on use it makes a portal to Dalaran.

Uther's Tabard, opon use it makes you extremly shiny and bright.

I cant remember his name, the Death Knight leaders charger, same model as a normal Death Knight Charger, except ther armor is crimson red.

Sylvanas's Music Box, it spawns two banshes fairly high in the air, they sing the song that Sylvanas does with all of her banshees around her, everyone within a certain range can hear it.

by **Jakins** Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:43 pm

Elízabéth Moren wrote:Oh, and about the items that made everyone sad/guilty 'n' such so they didnt fight, to those who dont know, you get them after the fight. I belive they drop from a chest.

I said that already ya nub >: (

Quit repeating me and go back a page!

by **Torukan** Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:51 pm

Jakins wrote:
Sylreth wrote:Well, I'm personally addicted to Arthas and all his lore, It's one my favorite characters on the Warcraft story so, I'd totally give him another ending, even a brutal one or so. This death felt so.... wtfpeacefulforgiving

He needed a different end, a very different one, tho there are a lot of speculation that the Old Gods might be planning something for him, as his final words were somehow connected to Yogg-Saron's, the "I see only darkness before me". For me, this would overuse and ruin and end that was meh by itself. The whole LK fight is disappointing IMO, where was Jaina? Where was Sylvanas? Where was Tirion? Oh right, frozen arse. That's just a lame excuse for not designing a much better fight, they could enter and go, like beaten ( Sylvanas ) or unable to kill him (Jaina) as we would carry the hammer. Instead we get a frozen Tirion and loads of repetitive stuff like the others... >_>

Anywho, I take it that Tirion took Arthas corpse from the spire, of course. But I'm not sure whether he'd bury him in Northrend or taking him to any Alliance town now, which would be kinda weird. He probably made a grave somewhere in Northrend.

I really feel disappointed tho, it's like the most disappointing fight in WoW for me...

What the HELL are you talking about?

Listen, they are there IF you have someone with Shadowmourne who kills him for the first time.

You get a box filled with various trinkets.

Sylvanas, Jaina and all that appear at the bottom and you get a little RP event with them. You'll see the reason why they didn't interfere with the fight.

You give Jaina her locket that Arthas kept close to him, it says; "Once it held her image. He always wore it close to his heart".

You give Muradin his item, which says; "I will always count you as a brother".

He kept a music box from Sylvanas, which says; "A lament for the days lost to the Banshee Queen".

Seriously, they never needed to be in the fight. It was right for them to stay down at the bottom with the King/Warchief.

Get the tabard, Uther will appear. Ta-da.

Sylvanas speaks that she has to think of how Arthas bound the dead to their bodies, but they are free from their grasp. She's pretty much thinking "did he give us another chance of life after death?" so she doesn't get involved because of those feelings towards him. He revived a whole nation, after all.

Jaina naturally starts crying her eyes out at the sight of the locket, wondering whether he'll someday remember who he was. Arthas was going to marry Jaina *sniff*

Arthas kept the training sword Muradin gave him, Muradin explaining how he actually felt guilty over going to find the blade with Arthas and turning him into that, so his guilt got in the way of him being at the battle.

You get a different end if you have someone with a newly acquired Shadowmourne. Believe me, my raiding guild have gotten 2 of them so far and are just about to get another one.

As for the Old God speculation...that started at Ulduar in the Yogg-Saron fight. Yogg influenced the Lich King, he even says so himself in the Brain Room. That speculation is outdated.

lol I was about to quote Syl then I saw you gave her an explanation, to add: The Lich King fight is brilliant without Jaina and Sylvanas fighting with you at it, I mean, they already let Terenas help you fight inside Frostmourne and after 10% it is f*cking epic, I mean, YOU are about to become a f*cking master of the scourge if it wasn't for Uther!

by **Jakins** Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:46 pm

It's even better on heroic mode.

Or rather...worse....or...ehhh....

Damnit! I hate wipe nights on it but the format of it is awesome D: Especially with so much that wants you off the edge.

by **Torukan** Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:13 pm

Jakins wrote:It's even better on heroic mode.

Or rather...worse....or...ehhh....

Damnit! I hate wipe nights on it but the format of it is awesome D: Especially with so much that wants you off the edge.

lol I was meant to dps one of the val'kyrs but I just let one of em drop a guildy off the edge xD

by **Jakins** Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:30 pm

I was meant to run away from a shadow trap.

I did but someone else didn't.

End results.... flying chicken.

by **Shandrea/Nar'Gaya** Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:06 pm

Nygarth wrote:
Anaei/Vezullia/Minua wrote:Thinking about it. I'd say 'cremation' so his body can't be used..

Corpse Dust

In my death knight i found out supplies people NPC's because i saw

... made me lol ... So hard ...

On a more serious note though, I think a cremation of Arthas would be the best choice, seeing as that would make it -very- hard to frack it up later. I do think he should have a tomb/grave/whatever though, seeing as he once was a good prince, and he -is- after all a man of legend. He was hte son of the King of Lordaeron, and some respects should be made. I believe Tirion will sort it out nicely though.

//Feli

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