[ANIME] A topic for anime discussion

Sylreth wrote:Everything has two sides, Anime has that ridiculous fandom but is that a reason for you to hate it? I like anime, not a huge sick lover of it though and there's plenty I love much more in Japan, the whole culture and society than anime. still I could be in a class with fangirls/boys and get over it o_O I'm into anime events and some cultural events and I don't see why attending a part of the Japanese culture would mean dropping the other one, that's just elitist crap <_<


Oh and Ovelia, you've seen some episodes of Romeo x Juliet, please don't go further D: It's just horrible. a Failed crossover between a twisted version of shakespear's work and some weird very strange final fantasy in it o_O It fails at failing. Really.

Also, I've not seen aaaall the pages but one of my favorite Animes that often comes very underrated wasn't talked about yet!? How come no One Piece reference yet? It's giant I know but it's very very worth it, it's a deep anime that mixes the pirate lore and a true epic feeling of companionship, friendship and awesomeness that I've never seen in any other anime. Plus it has some awesome comedy inside it's a pure win :] (shoo OP haters, quit aiming your snipers at me nao!)

What he said. It's stupid to hate something because of the minority that are within the fanbase; that's like hating the Japanese for producing anime and 'creating' these types of people. There's many good anime out there that are suitable for anybody and we've already mentioned a few out there. Outlaw Star is a great one to start off with because it includes seriousness with humour and a futuristic story while the likes of Naruto is definitely NOT a good one to start with. Good ones are usually the ones that last 13-26 episodes while anything closer to the 53 mark is good too.

Hetalia and Durarara is another couple that are good to start with as well, purely because of the history and humour involved with a bit of seriousness; you can't get better than Hetalia for learning about something, considering it humanises the countries and takes place after WW2.

You've just not got to turn into an elitist and go "I HATE ALL ANIME" because that is insanely prejudice.

Sad thing is, I met the woman that did the Romeo x Juliet manga and she felt a bit 'on nerve' over the anime. She was very nice but you could hear she didn't like it herself xD

I mentioned One Piece ages ago, it being one of my favourites.

Halya wrote:What about Yu Gi Oh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmVGQR3NNdg

Duke Devlin.

Indeed, I often work as the speaker and announcer for anime events and I tell ya, there's some magic in those events, some adrenaline and energy which is very very cool and I don't mind all the noise and screams inside those events at all, outside it's just a bit more dumb but I'll never see a reason to quit or hate anything because a group of people that don't know how to behave on the streets or anything <.<

Haha xD i can imagine, i haven't read the Romeo x Juliet manga but I'll ask myself forever why and how I watched the 24 episodes of that marvelous piece of crap D:

And agreed indeed, big animes often lose themselves in their own story and become boring or weird. I watched naruto when I was younger but now I can't swallow it, the whole story people tell me (those who still read/watch it) is just sad, weird and I don't see any logic in that. Bleach is even worse imo but I haven't seen more than 6 episodes of Bleach, FMA, etcee. I prefer things that are much more worked on or funny. Dnote, One Piece, Detroit metal city, elfen lied, etcee

Another good anime for those who like pew pew and a bit of story is Fate/Stay Night, it's really good imo :]

Cheers Jakins! One Piece <3

As discussed above, some people do go ridiculously far with their liking of anime. I'm not against cosplay even if I wouldn't partake in it, simply because everyone has their own ideas of what is fun and what isn't.

In all honesty each individual should just watch anime because they want to, not because it's a fad or a religion-esque thing. Slamming anime in it's entirety because a lot of people go over the top with it is just idiotic.

And with regards to One Piece, ergh. I read some of the manga a while back, I didn't mind that. But I wasn't a fan of the anime, at least of what I saw.

There's some really rage-inducing examples of anime fans on Youtube. Really, I don't mind admitting that I watch anime and even like it (well, some of it) but I wouldn't call myself a fan. Actually, I wouldn't call myself a fan of anything purely for the reason that at the very best fans are annoying and at worst something that makes me want to gouge my eyes and fill my ears with burning lead.

And it would also seem that my tastes are very different compared to the rest of the people posting here. There's been several series that have been mentioned in the last few pages. So far only few of them are titles I could give a thumbs up because they seem interesting or I can personally recommend them. Stuff like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Outlaw Star, Elfen Lied, School Days, Fate/Stay Night, Hetalia, etc, etc? Not my thing. Yu Gi Oh? The abridged series is the only good thing to come out of it.

Anime is a sort of art and like in any art - there're loads of mediocre things. But also there are few acknowledged masterpieces, that even people generally disliking anime respect.
Generalising it and fapping over the thing as a whole - is silly. Generalising it and "hating" all anime at once - is shortsighted as well.

There are ways in which anime can be a lot greater than any movie and give a decent competition to books as well. Because if we talk about a "masterpiece" anime - it involves worked-out, complex storyline (that a simple 2-hour movie simply cannot possess; and on the same note - anime isnt "for kids" as it may look like), complex and well-described personalities of the characters and decent drawing skill. I absolutely love thrilling and captivating stories, whatever art possesses it, and if the visual wrap is done on a professional level - it's worth my time for sure.

So whoever "hates" anime without seeing a proper one should check out a few acklowledged ones.
Like Ghost in the Shell movie, perhaps. MOVIE, not a serie. Its drawing is great, it has simple yet intelligent storyline and lots of food for thought. (in before "i hate cyberpunk" comments)

Or watch 5cm per second. A masterpiece as well. Simply genious animation and a lovely story as well.

Start with simple and safe things, dont watch some trash like Naruto or Bleach (that are good as well, I'm sure, just have a totally different purpose).






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I'm with the "scared of the neverending series anime" people. I've watched Naruto just for the sake of experiement and it's an anime fast-food. Of the "long" animes I've -really- liked only Fullmetal Alchemist 2: Brotherhood. Half of my intererest came because I absolutely love the style of the drawing there. And second half is, naturally, a decent storyline that's complete and logical. Much, much better than the first FMA. And what's important - it has 64 episodes, but it's a completed story, a tale. It's not a scrapped apart movie, not a scattered, confusing storyline with fillers - it's precisely complete. It's a rare case.

Gharb wrote:
So whoever "hates" anime without seeing a proper one should check out a few acklowledged ones.
Like Ghost in the Shell movie, perhaps. MOVIE, not a serie. Its drawing is great, it has simple yet intelligent storyline and lots of food for thought. (in before "i hate cyberpunk" comments)

Both movies are excellent and the second movie raises the bar on animation quite high.
This scene alone took a year to animate and it shows.

The series are done by a different team and director so their approach to the setting is somewhat different, and while they're not as "intelligent" as the movies, they're still far above the average tv-series (note that I didn't say anime series).

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I'm with the "scared of the neverending series anime" people. I've watched Naruto just for the sake of experiement and it's an anime fast-food. Of the "long" animes I've -really- liked only Fullmetal Alchemist 2: Brotherhood. Half of my intererest came because I absolutely love the style of the drawing there. And second half is, naturally, a decent storyline that's complete and logical. Much, much better than the first FMA.

FMA: Brotherhood is also one of the few long series I've bothered to watch and while it's pretty identical with the manga I have to agree with you. It was an excellent and entertaining watch.

I just heard about Despera, some kind of spiritual successor to Serial Experiments Lain.

The story centers around a 14 year old girl named Ain, who often builds devices despite the lack of scientific background for them. The sci-fi alternative period story is set in Tokyo during the Taishō era in 1922, one year before the 1923 Great Kantō earthquake.

Two AMV's if allowed.
Cowbow Bebop. One of the first animes I've seen. Maybe not to my taste completely but AMV is epic. Winner of some huge AMV contest in 2008.


And Ergo Proxy. Which is in my opinion less strong than Ghost in the Shell (both being cyberpunk worlds) but still a decent anime. AMV isnt popular I think but I find this one to be the best fitting this anime.

I see no reason not to show AMVs, they can usually get people to like them.

This one is for Black Heaven, which is a little anime I quite liked since it was short and easy to understand with a reasonably decent dub. It's one of these anime that pays homage to the best in rock music (the name itself being a reference to Black Sabbath) with an added alien invasion.



And this one is just funny:

Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm watching it. New episode gets released every Monday...





(Weird part, they show the credits first and then more of the episode after it, so keep watching).

Watched the episodes aired so far and read the manga some time ago. I approve, despite the ecchi elements. Zombie apocalypse is always relevant.

And now I'm apparently stuck reading Vinland Saga.

Took awhile, Zombie-Stamp of approval!


I figure it's the frequent ''suggestive'' angles and panty flashes along with the typica anime - argue / faec moments which sort of gives the viewer a relief moment from the otherwise foul, creepy and intense zombie shizzle.


'' YOHOHOHOHOO!
Even though more of a Usopp/FRANKY fellow!

Eruadan/Gunnell/Graham wrote:Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm watching it. New episode gets released every Monday...

Duh... ecchi. =\


Also I forgot one anime that might be decent for a start. Dont know why I forgot it because it was simply brilliant, especially the captivating storyline. Death's Note. I'm sure anime-fans know that one.
Though ending was the biggest fail in the history of anime, in my opinion. But still worth watching.

Also I know few people might like it but I really loved Shigurui.
It's the bloodiest anime of what I've seen. And not in terms of "red liquid on the screen" but in terms of anatomical drawing and simple massacre. However what's the good part - it has a very authentic feeling of the samurai era in Japan. Yeah, there's a little mystic involved but overall the feeling is unique - anime is slow paced with lots of still scenes, but there's a great amount of serious fighting scenes that are just as bloody as it can get if we talk about martial arts. I love martial arts and I guess that's the main reason I absolutely loved Shigurui. But I dont recommend watching it to a usual anime-fan. =P
However, food for thought and an indeed unique anime - heh, rare case.

Too bad they've filmed only first manga book. I'm so curious to know what happened further on but I dislike reading spoilers or reading manga itself. =\

Gharb wrote:Also I forgot one anime that might be decent for a start. Dont know why I forgot it because it was simply brilliant, especially the captivating storyline. Death's Note. I'm sure anime-fans know that one.
Though ending was the biggest fail in the history of anime, in my opinion. But still worth watching.

The biggest fail was how different the ending was to the manga's original.

Now THAT was a silly move but still landed the last episode the highest rated among all anime episodes..

I agree with you, I was personally not much interested in the whole Mello/Near ark, definitely there was some quality drop in that second part, even on the Manga but the anime was just uhrr.. I still loved how things became in the world after Kira and the continuation (possible?) that we see in the OVA (Relight)

I love what they did to Light, in the end

Spoiler:

Indeed!

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Jakins wrote:
The biggest fail was how different the ending was to the manga's original.

Oh?! I gotta get manga somehow to check out the ending there, curious.
And why they do it... meh.... same FMA - different than manga, and became worse. FMA2:Brotherhood - was following the line and was kick ass! Some things better preserved through time, not carelessly changed..

You should, the manga's ending is a lot better than the one in the anime and makes you actually see what happens.

With the anime, they tried to make it "oh so sad" but the manga is like 'hell yeah! Get bent!" if that's anything useful to your imagination.

Just go to a book shop and read it x)

Screw it. Rewatching Outlaw Star and going to check out Cowboy Bebop after it once I return later from the land of the forbidden RL.

Highlander ftw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCNICT2en_U

Hello everyone !

This thread have more than 20 pages, so I've obviously not read everything, but seeing fastly the thread in general, i saw that you were generaly speaking about the same anime, and therefor I'll suggest you some anime that I really like and wich are a totaly different style.

As it has already been said several time, anime is like all art, there is mediocre anime, there is commercial crap anime, and there is wonderfull things. Another thing, is that in Japan anime are a lot more vaste than what we see here. You have for all taste, all ages, both gender separated (they are often making a difference between girls and boys with Shojo and Shonen), all social class etc... Japan produce something like 40 anime/week, you can say that we are not seeing close 20% of what's produced in Europe. We are missing a lot of crap of course, but also amazing series !

So I'm proposing here some of my favourite anime.

Haibane Renmei


Realised by the director of Serial Experiment Lain, this series is however a lot more quiet, mysterious and tender. There is not much action but a lot of atmosphere, and if you are looking for something peacefull this is really an excellent serie. It speak about dream, death, and after life in a very poetic way. The character design and the graphism are both very nice, every character have personality and the universe is very intriguing.


Juuni Kokki(The twelve Kingdoms)



This serie happen in a very well imagined universe, kinda of asian heroic fantasy. Every thing is well though, plotics, custums, religion. It's a very rich universe. The adventures of the heroes are really interesting and captiving. There is actions, but also a lot of plots, and feelings. The character are intenses, well made, you follow their progression.
Direction and graphism are made in the more "serious way". As you can see on the image, it's not Kawai at all. It's a little bit violent, but still watchable by kids of +- 8, 10 years old. Though the story itself can be a bit much complex for them.

Juuni Kokki, I still need to grab the novels considering the Anime was droped... Wonderful series aside from some smaller touches here adn there.

Marogg/Helanie wrote:Juuni Kokki, I still need to grab the novels considering the Anime was droped... Wonderful series aside from some smaller touches here adn there.

yeah indeed, I should do that too ! I was a bit frustrated to never known what happened with the black Kirin at the end !!