RP-PvP Campaign in May

erwtenpeller wrote:The organizers can work out details like that if the idea takes off.

True.

I think the thing I like most about outland objectives as I have imagined it* is that if you have multiple "games" going at once in order to "win" you'd need to split up and contest multiple spots at once so people would have a choice of what and where they wanted to play. This would make strategic "play" from commander characters something more than "trash other faction town until big battle happens".

I'm totally not biased because my connection gets unhappy when there's a hundred  or so of us on screen at once...

*I might have completely got the wrong end of the stick.

Yes to all of that.

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Since everyone wants to go everywhere, I personally dont care where we're going and will roll with anything.

Shattrath as sanctuary? I can already imagine all of us sitting in the World End's Tavern, spamming /rude and /threaten at each other and having glare contests. Heh

As a reply to a variety of comments I've seen: Shrike won't be interrupting any on-going rppvp, unless called upon to f.e. wipe the Shade (..which really still just leads to unnecessary added pew-pew, but well..).

If there are rebellious Shrikies anyway, do let me know and they'll go in the naughty corner!

Valiantly and bravely the Alliance fought was said at the council, but I belive this was pretty much it:



Better cross your fingers that people will least gear up this time!

Wonder what the motivation will be for making a Campaign in outland then?

Paia/Jenit wrote:
I think the thing I like most about outland objectives as I have imagined it* is that if you have multiple "games" going at once in order to "win" you'd need to split up and contest multiple spots at once so people would have a choice of what and where they wanted to play. This would make strategic "play" from commander characters something more than "trash other faction town until big battle happens".

I personally have always enjoyed small battles more than big clashes. One of the best pvp in northrend was when defending Conquest Hold (about 7vs.7).

Also,

Krogon Devistep wrote:...the pity is us red blades are trying to get -away- from outland...

We've been there over a month now x.x and will likely be there a while yet.

Maybe Red Blades in Outland would be the reason for war? Allies don't wanna get you back from there, you are tribe Red Blade afterall! And it's their turn to start a war. Allies could barricade dark portal and somehow for some reason interrupt other portals between Outland-Azeroth. Trap you inside and get local resources and tactical strongholds to make you stay there.. forever as corpses! And somehow you still could get other Horde join you for capturing strongholds and resources to kick allies back where they came from. .. I dunno, but it's an idea?

I agree the beauty of the Northrend campaign is that we were pretty much left alone for the week because it's a out of the way in terms of W-pvp guilds. Outland would be amazing because it would have everything we need but I think we would constantly get interrupted. The only other areas that would be as quiet as grizzly hills and howling fjord are the southern areas of Kalimdor or maybe the eastern and western plaguelands.

Northrend is just as "far away" as outland.

I will just put it here,since I dont even know if we phase or not in the city...BUT: what about Gilneas????

-Cool weather(Less cartoonish atmosphere imo).
-Rather new Graphics (due to being released in Cata).
-Lore that would justify a clash in there (I may be wrong on that point but I think no one has an hold on it ).
-Interesting zones for both rp and pvp: Blackwald,roofs,the city itself...
-Presence of Tol Barad just near it,maybe when one of the factions holds it ,could give some kind of bonus to the owners faction.
-There is not a properly large zone for an "all versus all" battle in the city itself,makeing it more a skirmish in the streets,that could be appreciable for the ones prefering small scale fights,while the people not interested could stay safe in the small villages spreaded among the map.

My only thought is: Is there actually something more than the territorial dominance itself,able to lure both the faction into a war in there????

I could totally get behind using Gilneas. The lack of NPC's and clear offial lore means we can have actual, meaningful progression of territory. Gilneas is unique in that aspect. One side could actually win.

Gilneas... now -that- has huge potential.

Now that is what I'm talking about!!!! Nice way to finish MOP

There may be some phasing issues with Gilneas depending on a horde questline though.
I think it was something along the lines that anybody who had completed the questline ends up in a different phase.

worth scouts from both sides carrying out recconnaisance to determine the scale of phasing.

Horde is phased, which is why the odea is sadly always scrapped.

All I know about phaseing quests is that worgen questline,and maybe the legendary one ,back in the days I used to roam in the city myself and was able to see allies.Maybe they changed it but its worthy a check,the atmosphere in there its really nice.

We've tried using it not too long ago on Hordeside with some Undead, didn't work. Half of our group was phased on the outskirts of the city. Since not only Worgen have quests there! Horde has a whole questline going on at the gate there and partly inside the city.

Its a shame really.

Can maybe use Silverpine though?

I think it would be rather hazardous for the Alliance to launch an offensive to Silverpine, since the Horde controls Tol Barad, Hillsbrad Foothills, Howling Fjord and Venture Bay. Gilneas defense would be justify-able with Portals, but as mentioned the zone is largely affected by Phasing.

Alright Ill put another one on the table,with similar dark atmosphere id love :

Duskwood

-If Horde intends to move into offensive,darkshire its near Elwynn itself!
-Down there theres strangheltorn,Neutral zone,with a dock,offers a lot.
-In the middle of the map theres a portal,I think a rare emerald dragon spawned in there if im not wrong(until Wotlk I think),could be interesting for both factions if someone works on how could it work nowadays,lore wise.
-There are zones that could fit a camp for the factions well enough.
-Dark forest:skirmishes,ambushes,more sneaky battlefield.

Bad points, imo, are:

-Rather small map
-really near Elwynn,risky for the Hordies,easily trollable even.
-Not sure lots of people would actually like it,could result boreing for allyes if they are used to go there often.
-More  a guild versus guild battlefield than war campaign material.

If we were to use the Duskwood area, it would not be Duskwood only, but the areas surrounding it. The areas that such a campaign could include would be: Strangelthorn Vale, Duskwood, Westfall, Redridge, Elwynn Forest, Deadwind Pass and Swamp of Sorrows.

There's always the question about logistics - How far out of the way would the Horde camp be? That's a question whichs' answer has both pros and cons. The harder the place is to find, the less likely it is for griefers to come and interrupt (And there's quite some nice hiding places in these areas, although they won't be brought up yet). However, the more out of the way, the more of a hassle it'd be for members of the Horde faction to get there as well.

If people are up for using camps that doesn't have a set heartstone function with it, then there's quite a few places around those areas as well that can be used, and where guards won't try to get involved.

And if people want camps that they can heartstone at, then we have places in STV and Swamp of Sorrows where the Horde has some bases.

Story-wise, at the moment, with the Horde's recent victories, it makes sense to strike where it hurts at the moment.

For the Draenor campaign, the idea that came up with focusing all the objectives at once sounds quite appealing to me, but as it stands right now I don't see alot of reason why to go there story-wise, although we can likely come up with something.

As has been mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread, the Red Blades currently have a small campaign of our own going on in Outland, so if we can find something interesting that should cause the Alliance and the Horde to suddenly be interested in fighting for control of these points - I'd be more than up for involving that in the RP campaign we've got going to give the war some context.

I would Believe that the santcuary of my order would be a main objective for the horde to seek to controll for the reasons that its a fortress relatively Close to the horde camps. Its located in Deadwind Pass, so since that would in this case obiviously be a large frontier, I suppose this might also be where the Alliance players might gather their main forces. Just a suggestion and an offer of involvement   

Yeah, never leave mages unattended. You let them sit around for a few days without bothering them and suddenly KALOOBEY half your ships are gone and instead you got some kind of crazed wood and water golem playing hopscotch over your infantry camps.