Warlords of Draenor - General Discussion

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Rogue WoD Alpha Changes

These are just some of the key things -I- honed in on. If I miss anything feel free to flag it up and swat my nose for lazyness, but I posted the things I personally took a keen interest/curiosity in, and some stuff was left out to stop me repeating myself/going into the minute specifics of numbers and their crunching.

Quality of life changes:

-Rogue: Ambush no longer requires the Rogue to be behind the target.
-Rogue (Subtlety): Backstab can now be used on either side of the target, in addition to behind the target.

Been wanting these changes forever. it makes landing attacks -far- less frustrating, anyone who plays a rogue knows just how horrid keeping behind another player is sometimes

- Honor Among Thieves can now also be triggered by critical hits from the Rogue's melee Auto Attacks.

This is just brilliant, both for pve sub rogues and pvp. those potential extra combo points are very welcome. However, i'd still like to know just how often those procs will occur

-Weapon restrictions - we decided to loosen the weapon requirements on Assassination (allowing one handed swords and fist weapons). It's important to note that we still intend for daggers to be the optimal choice for Assassination Rogues, but this change will help Rogues who want to try out Assassination but don't have two daggers.

Glorious, just glorious. for pve no doubt every rogue will still use daggers for maximizing their dps output as assass, but for the more slack among us, and perhaps even for pvp... swords/fist weapons will be lovely. Always thought rogue weapon restrictions somewhat of an archaic hinderance myself, and its a shame that view is still somewhat held, but this change gives me hope.

New Talents:

level 100 - Death from Above: Finishing move that consumes combo points on the target to empower your weapons with shadow energy and perform a devastating two-part attack. You whirl around, dealing up to xxxxx damage to all enemies within 8 yds, then leap into the air and slice into your target on the way back down, dealing up to an additional 500% weapon damage (up to 723.5% if a dagger is equipped). Damage based on combo points consumed.

Interesting move, 20 second cooldown, can kick out some brutal damage. My guess is it's intended as a nasty pve finisher along with eviscerate and envenom, how it works with their rotations in the end is anyones guess but it should prove lovely for packs/aoe.

level 100 - Shadow Reflection: Summon a shadow of yourself on the target that will watch you and memorize your offensive ability usage for the next 8 sec. After this time, it will mimic the memorized abilities on its target over the next 8 sec.

This, this I loved the sound of. Could be Sub's best friend, and has the potential for being rather wonderful for pve too. Theres also the added surprise of double killing spree's as combat that could add up to some sick burst, especially if your creating with silence/stun Dr's inbetween.

level 100 Venom Zest: Increases your maximum energy by 15. Increases your energy regeneration rate by 5% for every enemy you have poisoned, up to 3.

A little unimpressed by this one, maybe useful for assass rogues making good use of Fan of knives and maybe for openers but it doesn't fit in well with anything else.

level 75 (replaces paralytic poison) - Internal Bleeding: Your successful Kidney Shots now also cause Internal Bleeding on the target, dealing xxxxx damage per combo point over 12 sec.

This, this I like. Blizzards removal of extra CC was inevitably going to hit rogues somehow and paralytic poison was a far better choice than blind. An extra bleed for sub and Assass? yes please, the damage could be wonderful stacked up with rupture/garrote/hemo.

Removed Abilities:

- Disarm Trap: Disarm a hostile trap. considering we still get to detect traps, I won't bitch and moan but i'l miss the skill, it was extremely handy. on the other side of the coin it helps hunters, i know they've had trap problems all expansion and rogues just made it worse.

- Dismantle: Disarm the enemy, preventing the use of any weapons or shield for 8 sec. not overly fussed, everyone else is losing their disarms, but I will miss the little bit of utility against other melee classes

- Mind-numbing Poison: Coats your weapons with a Non-Lethal Poison that lasts for 1 hour. Each strike has a 50% chance of poisoning the enemy, clouding their mind and slowing their casting speed by 50% (10% on player targets) for 10 sec. not sure why their removing this if i'm honest, it may have been a barely noticed effect and its not exactly a clutter, who knows what blizz was thinking?

- Redirect: Transfers any existing combo points to the current enemy target. Requires active combo points. with combo points being bound to the rogue now instead of the target, it no longer has a purpose so not a worry!

- Shadow Blades: Draw upon the surrounding shadows to empower your weapons, causing your auto attacks to deal pure Shadow damage and your combo-point-generating abilities to generate an additional combo point when used. Lasts 12 sec. I hated this spell. yes, it dealt lovely damage, yes it was nice for building combo points... but they had to break/ruin backstab to make it work, and that just grinded my gears. with its departure and adjustment to ambush/backstabs positional requirements i'm a much more happy rogue

- Rupture is no longer available to Combat Rogues. - this is a minor thing, and i'm not all too clued in on how combat works, so some other rogue would have to tell me what they make of this

New Glyphs:

A lot of the following glyphs are interesting, and potentially very useful, but I'm just unsure what i'd replace to have them... mainly as i like my current glyphs so much.

- Glyph of Energy - Increases your maximum Energy by 20. [i]nice for those pvp rogues who need that extra oomf of energy for openers

- Glyph of Elusiveness - Reduces the cooldown on Evasion by 30 sec. i'l be honest, if you did'nt get the job done with your first evasion then the second one after using preperation, then something is wrong. Bit of a waste of a slot in my mind

- Glyph of Energy Flows - Each time you dodge while Evasion is active, you gain 10 Energy. -this- has potential, but when evasion is up generally speaking your trying to survive, not nuke things. So why would you want the extra energy? perhaps in arena, though again I'd be hesitant in sacraficing other glyphs for this

- Glyph of Disappearance - Reduces the cooldown on Vanish by 60 sec, but when Vanish's duration ends, Stealth is no longer automatically activated. A brilliant pve glyph for sub spec, allowing rogues the chance to keep find weakness up, not much use beyond that, but then gain perhaps it could be exploited in pvp too with some craftyness?

Draenor perks:

theres only two perks that I thought of any real interest or worth noting here, as most are simple damage boosts or minor CD/duration improvements...

Enhanced Vanish: Reduces the cooldown on Vanish by 30 sec. - Wow, a whole 30 seconds? I was very surprised by this. With all the messing around with vanish/preperation in early WoD its startling to see the devs meddle with it again. I won't complain, but i forsee a lot of whine.

Enhanced Premeditation: "Premeditation is no longer an active ability. Instead your Garrote and Ambush always generate 2 additional combo points when used from Stealth." - this, this annoys me. thankfully due to certain well known rogues voicing deep concern on the forums, blizzard has supposedly already held its hands up and said it will be re-worked. I was worried that a rather integral if often over-looked part of sub has been messed up. the system works![/i]

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:Just a note, since you commented on this with dismantle but not with mind-numbing:

All spell cast time reduction spells (Mind numbing, curse of tongues, hunter goat debuff, so on) has been removed from the game, so the mind numbing this is just to keep rogues in line with the flow.

siegmund wrote:Hope they update things on the poision side then though least... What's the point of having them then if your only non lethal is cripling (Bar leeching which is a talent), while the rest is wound and deadly as lethal, not that much openness there either to be fair. Who knows really!

Krogon Devilstep wrote:

siegmund wrote:Hope they update things on the poision side then though least... What's the point of having them then if your only non lethal is cripling (Bar leeching which is a talent), while the rest is wound and deadly as lethal, not that much openness there either to be fair. Who knows really!

no deadly for combat either  = / le bizzare.

Stop cheating:

Grufftoof wrote:That Tauren model actually makes me want to play WoD more than anything else.  It looks wonderful.

My first ever WoW character was a Tauren hunter at launch.  But I scrapped him about level 5 when I became convinced Tauren's moved more slowly than other characters.  It's still something that sticks with me... that sense of sluggishness.  Not huge and bovine power.  But sluggish ruminance.

This model changes that.  And makes me happytoof.