Regarding Semi-IC LFR (5.4 Spoilers) - Lore/Interest Check

I will not promise doing anything at all in regard of coordination before the conversation is done so i know what would it include and see if in possession of required resources and time.

Should be available most evenings.

I am in in in in! Have a druid healer should Thon be allowed to go, if not I have my hunter in WT. Even got a emotionless tank if I gear her a bit.

Awesome! I'll try to grab a couple of you for a convo at some point soon then post a proper WIP-Event thread afterward. <3

Helmut wrote:Well.. Some will/should get the credit for killing Garrosh. The only question is.. Who?

"Adventurer X"

Helmut wrote:Well.. Some will/should get the credit for killing Garrosh. The only question is.. Who?

As we've seen in previous end expack raids the adventurers can only say they IC helped anyway. Noone killed Arthas but Tirion, noone killed Deathwing but Thrall, and in any case we're going in in 25 for a reason, so that's a non-problem.

The conclusion of the european part of WW2 isn't put down to "X Soldier shooting Hitler" (he suicided, I know, point still stands), but to "The allied forces defeated Nazi-Germany and liberated europe".

If anybody gets credits for the victory, it's either Varian or the Alliance as a whole.

Hell no, son. It'll be Vol'jin. Because Blizzard looooooves the horde

erwtenpeller wrote:Hell no, son. It'll be Vol'jin. Because Blizzard looooooves the horde

At least if it'll be Vol'Jin the fact that the Alliance leaves without anything would make sense. At least, a bit more sense. Considering it's 0 sense as it stands, even a single point helps.

Might be up for it, gear is more than enough to actually tank this. (Plus i'm with Wild tempest)

I would be interested in the out of raid parts. As for the raid itself, I truly think we players are nothing more than the Infantry support. If you look closely at the raid make up it's clear a major faction leader/Character from the world is involved in every boss fight. So in truth I believe the credit of slayings go to them with regards to Raid bosses etc. Doesn't mean we can't rp our involvement in the chaos flooding the streets of orgrimmar.

Beladon wrote:I would be interested in the out of raid parts. As for the raid itself, I truly think we players are nothing more than the Infantry support. If you look closely at the raid make up it's clear a major faction leader/Character from the world is involved in every boss fight. So in truth I believe the credit of slayings go to them with regards to Raid bosses etc. Doesn't mean we can't rp our involvement in the chaos flooding the streets of orgrimmar.

Yeah that's about right, I wouldn't go saying "I FOUGHT GARROSH HAND TO HAND" but to say you caught a glimpse of the fighting while brawling with generic Kor'kron forces, sure.

I'm in a chat with a few of the folks who posted in here, in any case. Right now it looks like once the dates are released, there may be another series of events involving moving to Durotar and RPing some military again, similar to Barrens event, then culminating in the raid itself.

We're trying to get some details, apparently on PTR there's a quest chain that goes through Durotar itself. I had said if it was phased we could abuse it to spend a day or two at the gates of Orgrimmar itself without fear of ganking (too much), but currently it doesn't appear to be phased.

This was in discussion long before the thread came up yeah, but it lacked the initiative, guess now's the right time for it!

So, Dwarves from Three Hammers would be interested in participating, so I guess you could reserve a few spots for them!

The Northern Rebellion intends to invade Orgrimmar from the North. In the raid, the Valley of Honor is shown as being closed off by a lowered gate and heavy fortifications. So we'll likely be dealing with our own player-made Kor'kron NPCs - Wether we'll be using the raid, or something else, to represent those player-made Kor'kron NPCs, we'll see.

As for who kills Garrosh.
Incase they do like they did in ICC Deathbringer Saurfang, where Horde gets one set of events that takes place. (Varok Saurfang gives the whole rant about his boys name), Alliance gets another (Varok approaches, Muradin stops him, Wrynn goes in and orders Muradin to stand down. Varok gets all happy in his pants and Jaina starts crying). In this scenario, there'll be a clear split with Horde being guided to claim scenario X is the true one, Alliance will be guided to claim Scenario Y is the true one.

Then we have the set event, much like the Lich king, where a special NPC is set to get the kill. (Vol'jin kill stealing on Garrosh, or Wrynn going all Executioner after the raid has weathered him down!)

Or.. We simply don't get any NPC involvement before the battle is over!

Regardless of which of the three we'll get, or something new entirely, I usually keep it as a rule of thumb to keep characters out of direct contact with any major lore NPCs or raid bosses. Though that seems somewhat preaching to the choir in this thread atleast.

Anyhow, on a related matter. When would people prefer to see him as defeated 'Server lore-wise'? This could have some importance for the different RP initiatives being taken all around the world of Azeroth (And alot for the current Rebellion plot!). When the first Heroic kill lands? When the different RP campaigns culminates at their final stages (That'll be one heck of a mess!), when the patch after SoO arrives?

This isn't something that everyone needs to agree on ofcourse - And indeed isn't something that everyone will agree upon (As we don't have all RP'ers on Defias Brotherhood on this forum - Or even the public Defias Brotherhood Forum). But some sort of general consensus could be fancy to go by!

Cool, dwarves!

And yeah.. We've been talking about the whole "need to find best time to claim the kill happened." I think it'd be best if it occurred when the culmination / LFR happens if a lot of guilds are involved, but also it'd be best to reverse that--to finish it when people prefer to have him dead.

I want to wait and see the LFR release dates. People will probably try it on Flexi instead, but I think it'd be best if we had LFR backup--and also that we don't rush the whole thing and finish it too quickly.

When would people prefer to see him as defeated 'Server lore-wise'?

So I'd say, find out when boss is released LFR, and decide then--somewhere later in the patch in other words--and base the RP around that. But I'm also curious as to what people have to say here, since that's what we happened to be discussing today!

First rule of Roleplay don't claim raid kills......X adventurer did it no one else.

Or a hero from whatever faction ingame (/cough Tirion Fordring-ICC /cough).

Yeah don't worry folks, I don't think anyone in this thread ever suggested that any individual claim a kill on Garrosh. In fact, quite the opposite

Feral / Blackfall wrote:Yeah don't worry folks, I don't think anyone in this thread ever suggested that any individual claim a kill on Garrosh.  In fact, quite the opposite

Helmut wrote:Well.. Some will/should get the credit for killing Garrosh. The only question is.. Who?

Erh....

Why do these conversations start when I'm not available...

We had been talking about the possibility of doing an IC raid, yes. Doing it as an LFR is an issue though, because you will need a full group of 25 RPers (who stay for the whole thing). Doing flexiraid 10m is better, but will be harder and require higher equipment.

Campaign wise, the horde rebels have already cleared out Ashenvale, and Alliance have already cleared out Southern Barrens. So the main targets for 5.4 would be Azshara (rebels already have plans for this), Northern Barrens (Battlefield is ending, but the kor'kron locations should still be there), and Durotar.

I'll be doing more IC development of this soon, once I am back on my feet here. Main thing is that we'll need to treat the siege as an actual siege, rather than a quick and final invasion. That way, we can draw it out over the course of the whole patch.

As for 'when' to treat Garrosh as defeated, let's just give it some time for now. No need to determine it right this moment.

Patch will seem to arrive on september 10th. For the stetching it out for the whole patch i'm not sure. There should be balance between not being too short or too long as for one in the Barrens campain it went the best for two weeks then died down. In the end leaving only a handful of guilds and in the end only two. But there is plenty of time to still think about it i guess.

Yeah the Barrens campaign while fun did stretch on far too long in my eyes. I'd say this should go on ~2 weeks. I'll toss up a thread on the Events section and see what people have to say.

siegmund wrote:Patch will seem to arrive on september 10th. For the stetching it out for the whole patch i'm not sure. There should be balance between not  being too short or too long as for one in the Barrens campain it went the best for two weeks then died down. In the end leaving only a handful of guilds and in the end only two. But there is plenty of time to still think about it i guess.

Its been kind of a soft-rule since the beginning of DB, that big ass events Don't last longer than two weeks, because its always the case that after two weeks most guilds want to get back to business as usual.

Official Preliminary Event Thread can be found here:

http://www.defiasrp.com/t7288-a-in-planning-the-siege-of-orgrimmar-54-spoilers

Feel free to bring ideas, sign-ups and so forth that way!

Yeah. The Jade Fist (One of the best events that I've ben in) only went on for 2 weeks, I beleive, and was set for that time aswell. I might be wrong, but two weeks seems to be the absolute top amount of time for a campaign.