Defias' current state, low activity, etc

Ledgic Caan wrote:Nine times out of ten, they aren't on the popular topics section for a good reason.

Neither were we. I guess we managed to copy them in that regard at least, eh?

http://www.defiasrp.com/t600-defias-brotherhood-and-roleplay?highlight=State+of+Defias+brotherhood

http://www.defiasrp.com/t4115-current-state-of-db-rp?highlight=RP+state

http://www.defiasrp.com/t2575-current-state-of-rp?highlight=RP+state

http://www.defiasrp.com/t5615p15-current-state-of-the-rp-community

enjoy.

interrestingly enough, in the thread you made 6 months ago of the same vein your suggestions were:

Raenmar wrote:
As for my suggestions: mainly, I think, DefiasRP should be made public. Someone told me that the attendance at the Westfall event was smaller than expected. Maybe that's because not everyone has an account here. Not everyone wants to sign up. And so, some people - quite possibly a lot - miss out on so many event and guild listings. That doesn't benefit the RP community in any way. I do realize that the reason the forums are private is that it hides events from those who would gank them. But I can say with absolute certainty that members of both Aboc and Mithridatism have accounts here, so making the forums private is absolutely pointless. And, since the majority of RP now takes place in blueshield zones, it doesn't matter if gankers find out about the events. Guilds prepared to RP outside of blueshield zones will be ganked either way, so they'll generally understand that they'll need to make the compromise of gearing up or RPing in raidchat.

If DefiasRP is going to be the central point of information and communication for the RP community, new people need to actually be able to access it easily.

I also think the LFRP channel should be used by more people. It's common for RP servers to have an LFRP channel, so it's often the first place people look to find RP, or to judge the activity of the RP community. Trying to get the whole community in there shows people that the server is active, and it helps them get settled in, get multiple views on the server and as much information as they need.

all those things have happened, and yet you're posting a thread with an even more dire tone.

maybe you're not the best person to be throwing out suggestions...

just saying...

It's been seven years and two months since I first saw an "RP is dying on this realm" thread.

Just tossing that out here. No implications or anything.

its true lini, its just i can't find the original vanilla wow archive forums to link Faye's RP is dying rants(if it weren't for his divine guidance, it would already be dead)

Amaryl wrote:Faye

Mortal Strike is only good for its damage.

erwtenpeller wrote:

Raenmar wrote:So people should stay on a dying server, where it's damn near impossible to recruit for a non-SW guild, and let their guilds wither and die while the community puts the server on a pedestal?

There it is!

Have you perhaps considered the fact that perhaps, in an Mists of Pandaria environment, no one is really that interested in a Gilnean guild? That doesn't mean the server is in decline, that means people don't give a damn about Gilneas.

You are turning your personal frustrations about not being able to keep a Gilnean guild active into a problem of the server.

Your aggressive attitude isn't going to rally anyone to your cause either.

Just move to Argent Dawn already. I'm sure you'll be much happier there.

Very constructive. Great attitude. *sarcasm off*

It's not a matter of Gilnean RP per se(though we can all agree that if wasn't for Raenmar's efforts, it'd be dead in this server). It's Gillnean rp, it's draenei rp, it's warlock rp, it's death knight(Or Ebon) rp. It's also(unless the rumors are wrong about it, as I hope) official Alliance military rp. Let's face the facts: draenei rp died in the same moment in which Thelos died, the remnants got scattered in various guilds. I've worked personally for Gilnean rp, before Pandaria hit, and interest was, some events aside, averagely low(after Gilnean rp was struck at its heart, not only by gankers, but also by the community and yes, some stupid choices). And there were weekly meetings. I've worked as GM in a warlock cult, and I personally decided to go away in a boom as such(quite literally). Won't comment how another warlock/dark users guild died. And of course I don't need to recall anybody how Ebon dk rp was in short killed off.
As I said, I dunno how it is Horde side, I get just little information about it, but the situation Ally side is desolating.

I agree about the fact that, in a rp-pvp server one should expect to be attacked and ganked once out. I don't agree much on Blizz's policy about it, but that's another issue. I agree that for rpers playing outside of the blueshield zones it's disheartening and annoying. Still if I want to rp in such a server, I should expect that. Those of you who have me in their BTag list know perfectly when I'm gearing up for PVP, 'cause I can't stop myself of getting outbursts of 'f words' while doing so in the broadcast(forgive me).

I've been accused of nostalgia and pink-rosed glasses. Hardly so, considering my first sub and my first rp char at all, in Defias, was done in September 2011(means a year and a half ago) and it's the char I rped for most of the time. And yes, okay, I remember when I started rping, a year and a half ago: cities weren't blooming with rp, but you could find random rpers come and go, you could find plots going on, even without being in a guild or actually look for them. Now, as Gilran stated, cities feel empty. I can walk in Mage Quarter for an hour without finding a single rper. Outside of guilds' hubs(means Dols HQ, Pig, Lady and CC), and those even when you're lucky, the city is empty. And we're talking about the Alliance capital, the first place in which any new rper coming from other servers would look for rp.

I agree with ert about the fact that, being the focus(at least atm) of the game Pandaria, it makes little sense to be based in the old world, especially now(and mention of honor to Pao here for finally merging the rp with the ongoing game stories), but I don't agree on the fact that it should mean necessarily the death of a guild/project.

All in all, Gilran's post was great indeed. In the end, what does it cost you to copy/paste your Op of rp threads in the realm forums? Why not asking questions about lore in the rp and the lore official forums? Why not just being a bit constructive when new rpers come in, maybe not expert, and let them have a chance? It's not hard or even difficult.

And this is good in any case: be it that rp in DB is dying(as I think), or not, why not to try to enhance it? Why not trying to get, if not a flock, a bit of a flow of new rpers(or even old who maybe miss the place)?

These threads come up alot but it's always the same people that will defend DB like a fucking jakyl and ignore any kind of criticism on the most holy DB. If you haven't noticed a significant drop in activity you are blind, lying, or both.

All I care to say.

I shall mirror Ledgic, and say I kinda see some of both "sides" in this silly polarising "discussion".

These threads, however, are ten-a-penny (as was shown by links to a number in one of the latter posts) . And they're often flanked by the OP (or vocal others) who are throwing around a number of ideas and not getting recognition or action they want or would like.

Noble ideas, a feeling of malaise or ennui by some, a handful of people annoyed that their ideas are not popular, or not well populated...

Those are the things these posts seem to have in common.

The game as a whole is changing as it ages. Good and bad. RP is affected, yes. Just as every other aspect is.

But this isn't the sky falling down. It isn't even skyfoo.

PS. I liked Gilran's post too.

the interresting part Gruff: The suggestions that Raenmar made in his last thread on the same topic, have actually all been realised, and apparantly it didn't help.

Why is that?

You don't need to answer that question gruff, as in its core its an introvert question, that Raen should ask himself. Maybe get some perspective. (as should everyone else with an opinion on this topic.)

and I reckon we'll get to some interesting answers.

suggestions

have actually all been realised, and apparantly it didn't help

suggestions

Yes, suggestions. I never claimed anything as a certainty. And while it didn't make people flock to the server, it made things more accessible.

You should probably get some perspective yourself.

One short comment more:
When trying to make people work together to make the RP community a better place, try not to force some feeling you may have of impending doom on them, it kills the spirit.

The ganking and sometimes fluctuating rp doesn't make me want to go to AD.

Reading this forum sometimes does though. Just saying.

http://www.defiasrp.com/t4115-current-state-of-db-rp?highlight=RP+state

Ah <3

Raenmar wrote:

You should probably get some perspective yourself.

I bow to your super-human ability at witty come-backs.


but seriously (who am I kidding? >.>)

Do you honestly think a call to action works by strong-arming people into following your idea's? badgering them, and insulting them if necessary? including ridiculing the forlorn cartel for being active? because they're stormwind..

don't be silly.

a call to action needs to be inspiring.

but I disgress, not everyone is fortesgue or exaythe and able to take an entire server into a certain direction through RP, and organising rp, and making events, and actively trying to invite people to those events.

some people just prefer voicing their corncerns in bitterways on the forum and react badly to criticism.

the people that fueled RP of yesteryear have moved on. they have lives, they have other interrestest, they have kids, boyfriends etc, and Rp has always been fueled by the few, note the few, who created it and were able to make other people excited in proceeding with that RP. be it only for 3 other people, or for 60.

its the few who lead that make the tone. and it will happen on those few's terms and conditions. You can either become one of those few and inspire by example, or simply whine.

there's three type of rpers:

the ones that make new shit happen.
the ones that do the new shit that happens.
and the ones that whine about the other two groups.

the ball is in your court if you want change. Don't look at others. do it by example.

I was going to post screenshots of the RP I've made and the events I've made, but I cba anymore. Every damn point I try to make is 'whining'.

Realm forums lack a (stickied at least) rp guide and instructions how to get into roleplaying scene. To me defiasrp and the wiki seem crafted for those already accustomed to wow rp.

To me at least DB has this far has had very nourishing rp, since I'm one of those grumpy old roleplayers who expect rp to be spoonfed to them or otherwise can't be bothered to see the effort/investment what seeking, finding and crafting quality rp often require. Well on defias I'vent managed to avoid roleplaying at all, vice versa, I've been lured back to it due to accidentaly bumping into rp here and there. Albeit that's from horde perspective. On my old server such was never possible since idk TBC/early wrath propably.

Raenmar wrote:
If people want an RPPvP campaign, I can lead one. I always intended to start one when we moved up North, but with the dip in numbers we just don't have enough members to make much of it. I can organize something, but I'd just rather wait until TGC has enough members to be a part of it. We also have some IC issues with the dwarves right now that hinder any progress North, but once they're sorted we can do something.

Dom is looking to do events occasionally with ratling guilds, also it's been in air quite few times that would be great to have some contested, designated area or "base" to have just random skirmishes every now and then, a pvp hub in the old world. We just need an enemy. (not sure if it's now irrelevant since MoP offers a load of thick populated contested areas) Given that Dominion isn't a rp guild we can't contribute much to the Horde, but I'd imagine that such could give opportunities for alliance rppvp.

We'll hopefully execute a rppvp event soonishly with the dwarves. Will maybe post about it after seeing how the details work out and how the numbers look like.

I have been here since the realm opened it's gates in 2005, I have been the guild leader of Holy Lightbringers since I founded it in November 2005 and yes, we have seen threads like this before, we have seen the community go up and down, there been more active times and less active times, a bit the same happens with all guilds, it goes up and down for various reason and in my mind you cannot do succceed until you accept these "flows".

Also never understood the demand for huge crowds, I personally take quality over quantity every day, as long as there are two persons that RP there will always be RP (well technically you could RP with yourself but that might be a bit boring).

Then we have the realm vs realm thing, I could care less how many roleplayers AD got, what does it matter? Why must we compare with other realms, there are lot of great roleplayers here, that is something we should be proud about and that is what truly what should matter.

Finally, I see a lot of new players here, we got a few who never RPed before but wanted to try, as long as someone wants to try they will always be welcome, you can learn lore, you can learn to write stories etc, as long as you have that will to RP then that is what matters., I see new players to the game, I see new players that join from other realms, it's not one-way traffic, thats for sure.

So are there fewer players now than compared to WoWs peak? Yes. Are there fewer roleplayers on Defias now than on it's peak? Yes. Is there still plenty of roleplay to be found? Yes.

To get a guild running, no matter of it's concept or where it's located will take a lot of patience and a lot of hard work, there will be days when no one will turn up for that event you spent some time to create, there will be times when the guild chat will be empty, once you accept that there will be ups and downs things will be much easier to handle, as long as you are dedicated and put an effort into things there will be results.

Maelmoor puts parts of what I said in a better light (and easier to understand for certain folks, I hope). Well written.

Gilran wrote:

Spoiler:

I also mentioned that we need to attract new people to RP, not just from outside but also from the inside. There are a lot of people on the realm that are RPers or would like to learn RP, but are not in the RP guilds.
I just came with an idea that might contribute to the cause, but then again it would require the community's help. The LFRP channel should be advertised on trade and general chat constantly, thus I prepared a macro for it:

Code:

Looking for Roleplay? Want to learn more about the ongoing events and IC plots? Do you seek to interact with the RP community and learn the first steps to Roleplay? If so then /Join LFRP, a channel open for every roleplayer and those who willing to learn such!

There should be also a daily fix of the plots and upcoming and ongoing events in the LFRP channel, alternatively we could use other social medias like Twitter to have a weekly update of past, ongoing and upcoming events and plots, since I imagine a lot of people use Twitter.

Spoiler:

I've myself begun to copy-pasting that macro to Trade and General occasionally. Also, i made a Macro of the Trade of the Tram Roleplaying event, which i advertise on the LFRP channel.

I might be about to sound... stupid. But, is there a LFRP channel on both Horde and Alliance?

>_>

Grufftoof wrote:I might be about to sound... stupid. But, is there a LFRP channel on both Horde and Alliance?

>_>

I only know the /lfrp one on horde side.

I stay away from them. They're very spammy xD

Yes, there is a LFRP both on the Horde and the Alliance

This sure is a dead server~
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img138/2411/wowscrnshot030813210201.jpg

Busy guild events =/= sprawling server. I had that many people at a guild event on Ravenholdt. This was when my guild was the only RP guild left.

How hard is it to understand? Is your head that far up your damned arse?