Defias' current state, low activity, etc

The RP on Defias is there. Its just you have to be generally in the clique to participate in it. If you try to join in randomly you are put on ignore if they decide they don't like you. To really broaden the RP circles, both sides need to stop being so cliqued and elitist.

Lex, give up: I answered to those points, seriously, even going deeper about them and all I got was:

all I see is ignorant and onesided/biased argumentation with no real sense behind it.

Because it was all complete nonsense. But very well, I shall answer as I've nothing else to do right now

No, I do not believe that you can keep a decent track of the numbers on DB. Your posts have given me a strong impression similar to the one I get when people whine about how vanilla was "so much better", while it's not true at all. Your mind is clouded by nostalgia.

And regarding people making new characters, what makes you think that all of them continue playing all their characters? Numbers everywhere go up and down like a rollercoaster.

While guild concepts may often be similar there are always differences. Always. This may be in the form of rules, where they hang out, what they do, what they focus on and more. As an example there have been many guilds focused around Gilnean RP here on DB, but have they all been about the same? Hardly ever.

Sure, guilds die. However, guilds are also born, and if you look around on this forum there are currently four guilds rising.

Regarding the RP PvP, I know how they do it over on AD and it's quite similar to how many people used to do it back in the day on DB. The only result of it is a lot of rage, because it never goes as they want it to.

Better infested than deserted.

Here we can see an example of your biased way of argumentation. No, it's not deserted. On a normal weekday evening I can find loads of RP around in the cities. However, I do not bump into it on every corner that I walk past. But whether people want that or not is simply a personal preference. I myself atleast prefer to RP with a handful of people rather than an army. Spam, poor knowledge of lore and people trying to kill eachother over a mere insult becomes frustrating in large doses.

As a result of that AD is more famous most new RPers flock there. While the number of decent RPers might be higher there the percentage is lower.

Regarding this point it's the natural flow of things. People hear that AD is the large, famous RP realm, right? It's only natural for them to flock there. However, there are of course more decent RPers as well. But on the other hand the percentage of decent RPers compared to the newer ones is much lower. I've RPed on both realms as well, and for a damned long time.

When they don’t disappear soon, seeing that most rp guilds are inactive or barely active.

Read further up in my post. But really, that's just rubbish. It goes up and down like a rollercoaster for the different guilds.

I am happy that large numbers of new people don't flock to DB. I'm understanding towards those new and often try to help them, but in large doses it's simply tiring and frustrating.
However, it's not true that everyone goes to AD. I often encounter people who are new to the realm and tell them a bit about it. Heck, it's not even long since the Marauders came to DB (And said guild now has 15-20 people online for events on average).

and was wrong

Yes, yes you are wrong, but not in the sense that you think.

Are you kidding? We have grudges upon grudges. We have an atmosphere in here that is not unlike the metaphorical school yard. AD has that too but as there is more guilds you can avoid that guild who did the unforgivable crime of "not rping how I want". AD has nurd rage and omfg moments as does DB. There is no difference.

Correction, DefiasRP has grudges upon grudges. Only a minority regularely posts here. However, that's not what I meant by a close knit community. What I meant is that most guilds know of eachother, sometimes cooperate, and individual players know of many others. The numbers on AD are simply too large for such a thing to take such a good foothold.

DB saying its RP PvP is better than anyone elses is like..... I mean..... "We wont charge unless they only have 3 healers/omg they res'd/they called in a pvp guild!!!! Best thing about RP PvP is RPing in the camp after (for horde guys, that is what the allys do instead of logging an alt(ok I am just trolling ) and AD do this just as well but much larger)

I've adressed this previously in my post, but what I'm on about is that AD adds too many rules to their RP PvP. What I myself prefer atleast is to simply meet with somewhat even numbers and fight. Who cares who wins? The more rules the more nerdrage follows up as a result of larger quantities of people breaking them. I did however not directly state that our RP PvP is better, I said that it's less complicated.

RPing as an AD Belf atm, the times I have xrealmed to DB I get lonely : /

Well poor you then, but most people know others around in the main hubs and manage to engage in roleplay with ease.

The RP on Defias is there. Its just you have to be generally in the clique to participate in it. If you try to join in randomly you are put on ignore if they decide they don't like you. To really broaden the RP circles, both sides need to stop being so cliqued and elitist.

As I know that you use (Or used) to RP around Silvermoon, let me say that I've hardly ever engaged in RP with Sin Belore, the council or anything of the like, and still I know many (Individual) people around there. I must however say that I don't find it to be so elitist as I often see that even Death Knights who are only looking to get drunk and get laid manage to find roleplay.

This will however be my last post as my thoughts regarding this topic and your ignorant bias have been expressed clearly enough.

Get a grip. If you think things go downhill, they will do so just because your mind is set to fail. If you transfer to "avoid" the fail, you contribute towards the fail. Simple as that.

So people should stay on a dying server, where it's damn near impossible to recruit for a non-SW guild, and let their guilds wither and die while the community puts the server on a pedestal? Bullshit. I'm not obliged to keep my guild on this server, when we have 4 people turning up for events only to be ganked mercilessly, when we receive more support from Horde PvPers than we receive from Alliance RPers, and when the population is too small to recruit from, purely to slow down the inevitable shrinking of the server when there are people (and not all. A lot of people have contributed useful things to this thread and the server) who do absolutely fuck all other than come into a thread that's here for suggestions or discussion, get on their high horses and contribute shit all other than "HURR THIS THREAD AGAIN STFU"

We're at the point now where if you still deny that the RP population here is shrinking/has shrank, you need to eject your head from your fucking arse and look at things objectively. If you don't want to do anything about it, fine, I don't care. But just because your group of friends is the same size, or just because one guild is growing, doesn't mean anything.

I'd think the amount that this thread is made would indicate to the non-stupid that maybe it makes a valid point. The only reason it has no use is that is gets flooded with people calling bullshit because they're too damn stupid to view things objectively. Thread is useless? What the fuck do you want me to do, then? I make events, I've ran a guild and put in as much effort as I physically can, I've planned projects that I'm currently wondering whether or not they're worth the effort it'll take to make them work, but to quote Skarain,

i am just 'one' man

There are people who put in work, but a small group of people can't make the server look alive, can't make projects work, can't make people know that DB exists. This post needs to be fucking made because it needs to be a group effort. People need to start posting on the official forums just so people know DB is alive. That's not even much effort, but it's a big contribution toward the server growing if everyone does it.

Yes, Cid, if you'd even skimmed through the OP you'd see that I do know that Blizzard have an RP forum, because I mentioned it and suggested it's usage, as well as linking to a post on there to demonstrate the current predicament.

So, I ask, how many people actually bothered reading the OP before telling me there's no problem?

But a more important question: why the fuck, every time such a thread is made, does it need to be filled with people who are genuinely oblivious to the situation? If you seriously believe there's no problem, don't post. Let people who actually want to contribute to building up RP discuss.

Now that that's out of the way:

If people want an RPPvP campaign, I can lead one. I always intended to start one when we moved up North, but with the dip in numbers we just don't have enough members to make much of it. I can organize something, but I'd just rather wait until TGC has enough members to be a part of it. We also have some IC issues with the dwarves right now that hinder any progress North, but once they're sorted we can do something.

I'm going to plan another banquet too, because they always seem to go down well. I just need to find a good time (Noblegarden maybe?), but I don't want to do it too often because it'd lose it's effect. I also thought of some sort of tournament event because that went well when Dakro made one.

I liked a lot of Feral's ideas. A weekly marketplace especially. I really can't set up something of that sort right now due to RL (and IC reasons, though I could get around that with another character), but if anyone has the time for it, it's a great idea.

The RP on Defias is there. Its just you have to be generally in the clique to participate in it. If you try to join in randomly you are put on ignore if they decide they don't like you. To really broaden the RP circles, both sides need to stop being so cliqued and elitist.

This is also a good point. Hell, I've always found it intimidating to get into random RP, even now. I think a part of that was having inns run by merc guilds. I always felt like I wasn't meant to go into the Pig. I honestly don't think I'd have ever really gotten into RP here if I hadn't one day walked into the Recluse to see it run by a guild called 'The Blue Recluse'.

Which is sort of the aim with the Northern tavern. Somewhere easy for people to get involved, more open.

But yeah. Apologies for the rant above. It's only aimed at the people denying the problem and QQing about there being a thread about it.

The way people are reacting, I think we have moved into "personal opinion" territory. Which means none of you will ever agree.

Some people like what is here for them. Some don't find it enough. Some find ways it can be fixed for them. Some would rather use another solution that suits them better.

(Edit: In response to people calling eachother 'biased' and silly.)

(Edit again: Gilran's post is a good one, read it!)

Having read the OP only due to not having much time at the very moment, I'll throw my opinions here, I confident I'll say something other already said but as said, the time is against me.

I see the problem in the realm community, it's too closed and not very new-rper friendly but it's the attitude of people who say who choose to deny the fact and care only about their Roleplay, not looking one step ahead. I was quite frowned when I've seen attitude of certain players in the thread that Gogol posted about rejuvenating the Roleplay on Defias. I think it's quite logical that by doing nothing, we won't achieve nothing.

I came on this server about two years ago, when I started roleplaying, the Cathedral square was flourshing with life and you could quite easily find Roleplay. Now, all you can see are NPCs.
There are a lot of people even on my battletag that are starting or rping on alts in Argent Dawn, nothing bad with this of course but have you ever asked why the population of the Rpers decreased on DB? Some will blame the game yes, but it's not all the game's fault. Have you asked yourself why the Chapter, the iconic guild of DB went on AD?
Its also this community's fault for not being unified. And the community It's actually far far from that.

For example, let's compare AD and DB realm forums. AD has also an alternative site for Roleplaying, still their realm forums are filled with RP related threads. On DB, there is no such thing, to be honest if it weren't from the Drustai's sticky post about RP FAQ, I wouldn't be aware that I am searching the right forums for RP. Most of the threads are about PvPers's claims lolz i pwnd u noobs stfu gtfo l2p. Even other RP-PvP realms have more RP related threads. AND THIS IS A FACT.


Fact is also that we need to attract new people to the realm and involvement with the realm plots. This pointed many times, but let's have an example: Say that you are a new in RP and searching for RP server, and you go on Defias Brotherhood realm forums and what do you see? Barely anything RP related, I wouldn't be conviced by that. I would then go check other RP realm's forums and I would naturally pick the server that seems most active RP-wise.

There a lot of facts that might indicate that server is eventually dying out and they must be no longer ignored. What I suggest is that more people start posting on realm forums - This was suggested long time ago, but ask yourself, would those 5 minutes of time that you need for copy-pasting a thread to Realm forums really be too to ask from you?


I also mentioned that we need to attract new people to RP, not just from outside but also from the inside. There are a lot of people on the realm that are RPers or would like to learn RP, but are not in the RP guilds.
I just came with an idea that might contribute to the cause, but then again it would require the community's help. The LFRP channel should be advertised on trade and general chat constantly, thus I prepared a macro for it:

Code:

Looking for Roleplay? Want to learn more about the ongoing events and IC plots? Do you seek to interact with the RP community and learn the first steps to Roleplay? If so then /JoinLFRP, a channel open for every roleplayer and those who willing to learn such!

There should be also a daily fix of the plots and upcoming and ongoing events in the LFRP channel, alternatively we could use other social medias like Twitter to have a weekly update of past, ongoing and upcoming events and plots, since I imagine a lot of people use Twitter.
But then again, the community must stand together or at least be willing to work for the sake of RP.

Another thing that would connect the RP realm community would be that we create a Skype conversation between the Guild leaders and other good folks of the realm RP community and have regular meetings to talk about realm events such as wide campaigns, IC status in Azeroth etc. We could also set up a mumble server for the community, actually I think I'd be able to do that since I am likely to buy a VPS in the near future and could use the space to host the mumble server, which I think could contribute to the cause.

In short, I think that we, as community need to take a step back in order to make a step forward. We need to change our attitude and stop ignoring the facts and become a community that relies on friendships and good communications and being more open to everyone.

Peace out.

Raenmar, I've read this thread thouroghly, and all I can see is "whine whine RP iz duying" from you and Decurius. It isn't dying. Shapeshifting perhaps, but not dying.

why the fuck, every time such a thread is made, does it need to be filled with people who are genuinely oblivious to the situation? If you seriously believe there's no problem, don't post. Let people who actually want to contribute to building up RP discuss.

Gee, let me think. Because there is nothing to be worried about, which we kindly point out EVERY time one of these threads pop up. Exagerrating and building up hypes seems to be your specialty, like with Celltrex (gasp). Plus this is a public forum, this thread is open to all who have access to reply.

Get over yourself and the namecalling, because that isn't very mature of you at all.

all I can see is "whine whine RP iz duying"

Then you need to work on your reading comprehension.

which we kindly point out EVERY time one of these threads pop up

Every time one of these threads pops up, there's less RP and more people who have transferred due to the decline.

Exagerrating and building up hypes seems to be your specialty, like with Celltrex (gasp)

The Cell part of that post was a joke, actually. I admit that part of the intention was to incite some hilarious rage, and it succeeded.

But the message of the thread was entirely serious, and it wasn't exaggerated. In case you hadn't heard, Stromgarde RP is being ganked daily. Not by Cell, which I never expected, but by a different guild. TGC has had to cancel events and has spent hours fighting back, and usually, since most people are low level and ungeared, we need to call in help. Exaggerated? Not even slightly.

Get over yourself and the namecalling,

It's the only way the message seems to get across to some people.

On-topic, great post, Gilran. Agreed with getting more people into LFRP, I'll copy that macro. I also tend to ask people to join the channel when I see them RPing if they aren't in it.

A Skype call for guild leaders would be an awesome idea, as would a Mumble server. Let me know if you set one up.

I do think there's been a slight migration from Alliance to Horde side DB lately, btw.

That might be part of what you are noticing.

We got 13 people active a day in the Cartel, dunno what you people are talking about. o//

But the message of the thread was entirely serious, and it wasn't exaggerated. In case you hadn't heard, Stromgarde RP is being ganked daily. Not by Cell, which I never expected, but by a different guild. TGC has had to cancel events and has spent hours fighting back, and usually, since most people are low level and ungeared, we need to call in help. Exaggerated? Not even slightly.

The Alliance side has never been good at dealing with gankers, and all that I can really say is shape up and get some gear so that you can fight back. That's how we've managed to evade too much griefing on the Horde side.

Coppersocket wrote:We got 13 people active a day in the Cartel, dunno what you people are talking about. o//

And all of those members actually roleplay instead of lurking on forums with threads of a dubious nature. We have tons of RP ourselves..

And all of those members actually roleplay instead of lurking on forums with threads of a dubious nature. We have tons of RP ourselves.

Congratulations. A Stormwind-based guild, the only one of it's type, accepting a wide range of characters, has a lot of RP. That surely reflects upon the state of the server as a whole.

The Alliance side has never been good at dealing with gankers, and all that I can really say is shape up and get some gear so that you can fight back. That's how we've managed to evade too much griefing on the Horde side.

Horde have never had to deal with the likes of Aboc and the new guild. We've wiped them almost every day for the last 2-3 weeks (with help), and they still come. I could force my members to get full CP gear and read all the PvP guides in the world, and it wouldn't change anything.

Horde have never had to deal with the likes of Aboc and the new guild. We've wiped them almost every day for the last 2-3 weeks (with help), and they still come. I could force my members to get full CP gear and read all the PvP guides in the world, and it wouldn't change anything.

Oh trust me, we've had our fair share of gankers coming our way alright.
Mithretardism to name one guild, and aBoC had an Alliance guild as well.
And it would, each time someone comes for us we kick them back to the hole which they come from. Gankers never go for strong targets.

Edit: If you just kill them over and over again they do give up. I did the same while I was on the Alliance side with my main and it worked just fine.

There was also GROM back in the day. Who got a disgruntled former RPer out to "get us" that tried to camp Orcs of the Red Blade every day of the week for two months during Wrath.
What did we do? If they outnumebered us, shrug and wait it out. If we were equal numbers or better? Wipe the fucking FLOOR with them. Repeatedly.

The thing is. Generally these threads don't serve much.
YEs, the community is shrinking. It's been "shrinking" since wrath and it's been "not as good as ... !" since vanilla.

No one is denying it. What we're saying is "Don't get your panties in a bunch, RP as best as you can and just have fun. It's not dead, not even dead in the water. (At least not Horde side considering orcs of the red blade get a few applications a week).

Roleplay, show you exist on the realm forums (Have a guild thread, bump it).

And for crying out loud.
It's a PvP server, get to max fucking level, spend a day learning your class (It's seriously an EXTREMLY easy game) and get some PvP gear.
Else don't whine when you get camped.

As mentioned before. Horde has at time been camped by guilds like those on alliance now. We didn't whine (In red blades we did put an adendum to our "PvP-On rule" Which was "If you're camped, you're free to turn it off".)
We beat the CRAP out of them. They want easy prey, they tried every day but after a few wipes they went away and we could go back to roleplayng.

Gor'Thrak Frosthowl wrote:

Horde have never had to deal with the likes of Aboc and the new guild. We've wiped them almost every day for the last 2-3 weeks (with help), and they still come. I could force my members to get full CP gear and read all the PvP guides in the world, and it wouldn't change anything.

Oh trust me, we've had our fair share of gankers coming our way alright.
Mithretardism to name one guild, and aBoC had an Alliance guild as well.
And it would, each time someone comes for us we kick them back to the hole which they come from. Gankers never go for strong targets.

What a silly point of view!

Ganking is completely off topic, it doesn't matter if you fight back and win, run and blueshield etc - it will continue to happen against the Alliance because of the likes of Aboc. Even if you have decimated them 10x in a row, they'll keep trying because they can kill the low levels and you'll often be disturbed as it means you can't wear your RP sets.

Now, this is where you start off by saying "Transmog your RP sets" and I'll reply with "We have several RP sets." then you say "Get geared up/level!", a lot of people are too busy/cba to do that and just want to RP. This will probably lead on to "Then if you can't be arsed, don't RP there." Not solving anything, your opinion is worthless and unnecessary OR "lolz we're strong xD"

Horde -haven't- been ganked as much as Alliance and it isn't a case of win or lose; it is more along the lines of being stuck around a group of mosquitos and the only way of getting anti-bug spray would be by walking for many miles. Little you can do about it except endure.

There we go. Back to the topic.

I don't understand the necessity for melodrama from Decurius/Raenmar. Sure, the server has very big drops in activity and random role-play has been sparse here and there, but - as much as you say "Don't bring up the past!" this happens. I've only been on the server just under two years and I've seen it as popular as a chippendale at a hen night and also as dead as a morgue. You can't expect everyone to devote time to trying to rekindle it because a lot of people are content or don't see it as worthwhile. The white knight approach of "saving the server!" will probably amount to very little. Good luck with your attempts but keep it as that. Don't act as if this is a ticket into heaven good deed.

The thread is repetative!

I would suggest not arguing over whether the realm is dying, and instead confine the discussion to how to improve it--no matter the current state of the crop, one must always keep watch, tend to it, grow it.

So the Hand can reap the harvest later, I mean.

(See what I did there? A druid metaphor AND a cultist one in one go. Damn I'm good.)

Muzjhath wrote:
It's a PvP server, get to max fucking level, spend a day learning your class (It's seriously an EXTREMLY easy game) and get some PvP gear.

but if i get to max level how can i enjoy lowbie pvp >_>

Vaell wrote:Even if you have decimated them 10x in a row, they'll keep trying because they can kill the low levels and you'll often be disturbed as it means you can't wear your RP sets.

Now, this is where you start off by saying "Transmog your RP sets" and I'll reply with "We have several RP sets." then you say "Get geared up/level!", a lot of people are too busy/cba to do that and just want to RP. This will probably lead on to "Then if you can't be arsed, don't RP there." Not solving anything, your opinion is worthless and unnecessary OR "lolz we're strong xD"

I grinded materials for 3 blue ghost-forged sets for Cyrik (85 gear, random procs), and mogged them all to be used as RP gear. I don't have that much time myself to spend farming gear to use ingame, but I at least put in some EFFORT for the sake of RP, to be able to somewhat defend myself should the need arise (and considering that I downed a bloody 90 DK with him, it sure was worth the effort). So don't come with the "just want to RP excuse". You're on a bloody RP-PvP server, you need to expect that crap can happen, and actually BE PREPARED for it. GMs won't help you out in contested areas any longer as they used to back in Wrath, you need to defend YOURSELF instead of lamenting how easily people gank you. Thus quoting you:

Vaell wrote:What a silly point of view!

Vaell wrote:I don't understand the necessity for melodrama from Decurius/Raenmar. Sure, the server has very big drops in activity and random role-play has been sparse here and there, but - as much as you say "Don't bring up the past!" this happens. I've only been on the server just under two years and I've seen it as popular as a chippendale at a hen night and also as dead as a morgue. You can't expect everyone to devote time to trying to rekindle it because a lot of people are content or don't see it as worthwhile. The white knight approach of "saving the server!" will probably amount to very little. Good luck with your attempts but keep it as that. Don't act as if this is a ticket into heaven good deed.

The thread is repetative!

And agreed, except I've been on this server since BC times, and never seen a true decline occur during the years I've been here. People have come and left, but nothing more than that happened. RP stays alive. End of, now hush from those making these threads. It is just tedious to watch over and over with your doomsday prophecies which never gets fulfilled anyway.

I grinded materials for 3 blue ghost-forged sets for Cyrik (85 gear, random procs), and mogged them all to be used as RP gear. I don't have that much time myself to spend farming gear to use ingame, but I at least put in some EFFORT for the sake of RP, to be able to somewhat defend myself should the need arise (and considering that I downed a bloody 90 DK with him, it sure was worth the effort). So don't come with the "just want to RP excuse". You're on a bloody RP-PvP server, you need to expect that crap can happen, and actually BE PREPARED for it.

Well, no. Getting gear to properly handle opposing gankers takes a while. I have enough gear, personally, to do it but if I was in the position where I didn't have any atm, I wouldn't go and farm. I don't have the time for it. Does that mean I deserve to be camped? That's the silly point of view I'm referring to and the one that has always been used. Grinding isn't exactly my idea of a time well spent and I'd lose more time from doing that than from being camped because, as I've said before, even if you're killing the ganker - they'll still manage to keep disrupting you. I don't mind seeing people annoyed at being ganked; yes, it is an RP-PvP server, congratulations for noticing, but that kind of view is exactly what turns people to AD. I came here for the RP and of course I expect ganking/camping, I just don't enjoy it. What about low levels? They need to level up and fully gear up atm to even stand against a camper. That would take them weeks if they're a busy person. So, yes, it is silly to tell them they're not allowed to complain unless they waste their time grinding. Brilliant!

I find this to have gone utterly out of control. Why turn the entire thread into an argue about ganking, gear and telling others what is right or wrong, whether the server is on a decline or not. I dont think it matters if the server is on a decline right now or the contrary. We need, as many above has said, to create a more open community. Post events on forums and make it more public in a way that people outside or inside the realm, roleplayer or not, can realise that there actually -IS- something called RP, and its active!

Gilrans response was great. Using the channels, like trade thus passing new roleplayers and/or people new to the server to the LFRP chat and further. There, instead of talking bullshit like we usually do, (Ofcourse we dont allways talk bullshit, I mean that well, less things that could be conducted in another chat) actually create something productive for the entire community.

Aswell as getting the GM's and/or Officers (Or any other person that holds a larger role) into a skype (Any kind of communications) all together. (Ofcourse that would create a big conversation) But yeah, all in the cause of unifying the community.

Free hugs for Gilran!

Raenmar wrote:So people should stay on a dying server, where it's damn near impossible to recruit for a non-SW guild, and let their guilds wither and die while the community puts the server on a pedestal?

There it is!

Have you perhaps considered the fact that perhaps, in an Mists of Pandaria environment, no one is really that interested in a Gilnean guild? That doesn't mean the server is in decline, that means people don't give a damn about Gilneas.

You are turning your personal frustrations about not being able to keep a Gilnean guild active into a problem of the server.

Your aggressive attitude isn't going to rally anyone to your cause either.

Just move to Argent Dawn already. I'm sure you'll be much happier there.

As is said every time this comes up, more realm forum presence would be nice. Thing is, I have no idea what to talk about, so I never really make any topics.... I'll be happy to comment on whatever comes up though <_<;

I think if someone actually feels the need to do something about server decline they should message the other people with like minds and then do it. Posting these forums in public does the exact same thing every time that its almost like deja vu.

"Rarara server dying, we do nothing"
"Rarara no it's not, you're wrong"
"Rara, no you're wrong and this is why"
"Rara rppvp server, rara"

We've all seen the same arguments, tens of thousands of times, let's not bother repeating them.

The arguments themselves do nothing to promote the server in a decent light anyway.

My position is a difficult one. I can see where the statements are coming from, and I can understand the people that are dismissing them. Everyone has a different opinion, and as has already been stated in this thread, the moment this becomes about personal opinion, nothing is going to be done at all.

Gilran's post (again, as many have said!) was a really good one. I had put the suggestion forward with the mod staff here about making a twitter account for Defias and posting up event details/links to the forum etc. So, I'll look into that again.

As for stuff like the realm forum... yeah, sure, I can see the merit in using it, but at the same time I can understand why plenty of people don't go anywhere near it.

The comparisons to Argent Dawn aren't going to get us anywhere either, folks. Especially if we're comparing realm forums. Nine times out of ten, they aren't on the popular topics section for a good reason.