[A] Revised and updated laws of Stormwind

by **Braiden** Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:59 pm

The following law texts are available via various institutions, town halls, churches etc. in the Kingdom of Stormwind.

This document details the new and revised laws of the Kingdom of Stormwind. They will be in effect from the 29th of January.

1.0 Crimes against the Crown
Crimes against the Crown are the most severe transgressions one can make against the Kingdom of Stormwind, as such a magistrate is always required provided the matter is not settled in Court-martial.

1.1 High Treason
Involvement in attempts on His Majesty King Varian Wrynns life or directly aiding foreign powers considered enemies of the Kingdom of Stormwind through any means.

1.2 Treason
Attempts to undermine the rule of His Majesty King Varian Wrynn through undermining, exploiting or violently opposing his officials or institutions.

2.0 Major Crimes
Guidelines from the ministry of justice states that major crimes be handled by a magistrate. Punishments are not specified as they may vary depending on severity.

2.1 Armed Assault
Attacking a Stormwind citizen or an ally of Stormwind with use of weapons or magic. Note that attempts to kill an individual is charged as attempted murder.

2.2 Assault on a Royal official
Attacking a Royal official of Stormwind physically or magically, with or without weapons.

2.3 Assault on a Stormwind Noble
Attacking an individual of Stormwindian noble blood physically or magically, with or without weapons.

2.4 Blackmail
Threatening to reveal information about or to cause harm to a person, their family members, associates, organization, property or belongings unless demands are met.

2.5 Contempt of court
Disrupting or preventing the work of a Stormwind court of law.

2.6 Cultism
Being part of or aiding an organization or worshipping a being or power declared an enemy of the Church of Holy Light.
Note: All convicted cultists are to recieve a brand with the letter ”C”, placed in their forehead in addition to their sentence.

2.7 Improper use of magic
Irresponsible or criminal use of magic or magical abilities, where it may cause harm to persons or property.

2.8 Murder
Taking the life of another individual without lawful cause.

2.9 Oathbreaking
Breaking an official oath witnessed by a magistrate of the realm. Also applies to cases where documentation from an oath has been confirmed genuine by a magistrate of the realm.

2.10 Sedition
Inciting hostile, aggressive or violent action to undermine the rule of His Majesty King Varian Wrynn, including his officials and institutions trough any means.

2.11 Use of forbidden magic
Practicing magic restricted by the Stormwind magi tower including tapping into necromantic, demonic or shadow sources of any kind without approval from the Stormwind magi tower, the Stormwind ministry of Justice or the Stormwind army. This also includes artifacts or objects infused with said energies. Exceptions in section 4.4 applies.

2.13 Escaping detention
Escaping from a facility where the subject is lawfully detained through any means.

2.14 Forgery
Forging official documents, contracts, deeds, records or identification.

3.0 Minor Crimes
Minor crimes are crimes that can be handled without the involvement of a magistrate unless deemed severe or there is doubt of guilt. Suggested punishments are specified for each crime and should be administered shortly after arrest if not overruled by an officer of appropriate rank.

3.1 Adultery
A married man or woman engaging in activities of sexual nature with someone other then their spouse without the express consent of said spouse.
Punishment: The letter A branded on the back of the right hand, public humiliation. Grounds for divorce, financial compensation to the one the crime is committed against can be decided upon by a Magistrate depending on the resources of the one committing the crime.

3.2 Breaking and entering
Breaking into or entering restricted property without a written search warrant.
Punishment: A fine of double the cost to repair the damage, penal labour. In cases deemed more severe or in case of repeated offences a hand or individual fingers may be removed.

3.3 Desecration of holy ground
Vandalising a site deemed holy by the Church of the Holy Light.
Punishment: Up to two weeks service to the Church of the Holy Light to repent depending on severity, a fine of double the cost to repair the damage to the church and a fine of two weeks salary to the Kingdom.

3.4 Disrupting a Stormwind official on duty
Disrupting a Stormwind official on duty trough physical or verbal actions.
Punishment: A fine of one weeks salary or ten lashes.

3.5 Disturbing the peace
Upsetting the order in a public space trough disruptive actions or vocal expressions.
Punishment: A fine of a days salary or a day in jail.

3.6 Faiure to pay taxes
Failure to pay taxes within the allotted time frame.
Punishment: A fine worth double the amount not payed to be payed within a month or a month worth of penal labour. In cases where the sum is substantial the period of penal labour may be extended.

3.7 Obstruction of justice
Hindering or delaying the work of law enforcers.
Punishment: A fine of one weeks salary or ten lashes. In more severe cases punishment may be made more severe.

3.8 Resisting arrest
Refusing to cooperate when being arrested by law enforcers.
Punishment: A fine of one weeks salary or ten lashes. In more severe cases additional prison time or penal labour may be issued.

3.9 Defamation
A disrespectful expression against the rule of His Majesty King Varian Wrynn, including his officials and institutions trough vocal, written or physical means.
Punishment: Ten lashes, public humiliation and a fine of one weeks salary.

3.10 Smuggling
Bringing goods into the kingdom without paying appropriate tariffs.
Punishment: Branding, public humiliation and compensating the kingdom for double the lost tariff money trough coin or labour.

3.11 Theft
Stealing the property of a Stormwind citizen, the Kingdom of Stormwind or an ally of Stormwind.
Punishment: A fine of one weeks salary, branding , public humiliation and compensating the victim for double the the value of the items stolen trough coin or labour in addition to returning the stolen property. In cases deemed more severe or in case of repeated offences a hand or individual fingers may be removed.

3.12 Unarmed assault
Attacking a Stormwind citizen or an ally of Stormwind without the use of weapons or magic. Note that attempts to kill an individual is charged as attempted murder.
Punishment: A night in jail and a fine of one days salary.

3.13 Vandalism
Defiling or destroying property of the kingdom of Stormwind, the church of Holy Light, Stormwind citizens or allies of Stormwind.
Punishment: A fine equal to double the cost of repairing destroyed property.

4.0 Additions

4.1 Attempted crimes
A crime that was attempted but did not succeed is still eligible to be punished as a crime that has succeeded.

4.2 Instigated crimes
Encouraging others to commit crimes and succeeding is a criminal offence and may be punished as if the instigator committed said crime as well depending on circumstance.

4.3 Assisted crimes
Aiding others in any way to commit a crime may be punished as if the person assisting the convict committed said crime as well depending on circumstance.

4.4 The Ebon treaty
Death knights affiliated with the Ebon Blade are considered an exception from section 2.11 when it comes to practising necromancy and shadow magic as per decree of His Royal Majesty King Varian Wrynn. They are also exempt from article 4.5. Restrictions on using necromantic and shadow related abilities still apply while within the Kingdoms borders unless given clearance.

4.5 Undead and demons
Undead or demons that have not been reanimated or summoned with express permission of the Stormwind Magi tower, the Stormwind army or the Stormwind Ministry of Justice is considered illegal and are to be turned in to the authorities for disposal if possible. Exceptions as per section 4.4 apply and arrangements made by the Stormwind army or the Stormwind Ministry of Justice.

4.6 Torture
Minor physical violence applied by guardsmen in order to interrogate a captured prisoner is allowed in cases where considered justified legal. Major physical violence, magical and alchemical methods of interrogations can be approved by the Ministrys of Justice and Defense. Suspicions of misconduct can be reported to the Ministry of Justice.

4.7 House Arrest
Stormwind nobility and higher officials such as Magistrates or Ministers of the Crown have the right to house arrest if charged with a Major or Minor crime. The Minister of Justice may in cases where justified void this right.

by **Antistia** Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:56 pm

2.1 Armed Assault
Attacking a Stormwind citizen or an ally of Stormwind with use of weapons or magic. Note that attempts to kill an individual is charged as attempted murder.

2.2 Assault on a Royal official
Attacking a Royal official of Stormwind physically or magically, with or without weapons.

2.3 Assault on a Stormwind Noble
Attacking an individual of Stormwindian noble blood physically or magically, with or without weapons.

*cough* Guards are now liable for prosecution if they attack someone while performing their duties *cough*

Edit: To clarify. If a guard employs violence so as to apprehend someone then he has attacked that person. The quoted parts provide for a complete ban on violence (unless a situation akin to the one below occurs), which includes a ban on violence employed by the guards. In short: Guards are not allowed to use violence to uphold the law.

Also: Under these laws it is perfectly legal to beat someone up as long as he is not of noble blood, a stormwind official and neither magic nor weapons are used. So: Twenty people beating up a commoner with nothing but their fists is perfectly legal.

by **Melnerag** Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:16 pm

3.12 Unarmed assault
Attacking a Stormwind citizen or an ally of Stormwind without the use of weapons or magic. Note that attempts to kill an individual is charged as attempted murder.
Punishment: A night in jail and a fine of one days salary.

No, it is not legal to beat people up.

by **Amaryl** Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:33 pm

The most important question here is this:

What is the secret 2.12 crime?

we know it exists, but nobody knows what it is!

We are all suspects!

by **Antistia** Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:34 pm

Melnerag wrote:3.12 Unarmed assault
Attacking a Stormwind citizen or an ally of Stormwind without the use of weapons or magic. Note that attempts to kill an individual is charged as attempted murder.
Punishment: A night in jail and a fine of one days salary.

No, it is not legal to beat people up.

My bad, missed that one. The rest of the point still stands and extends itself over 3.12 with regards to guards becoming liable for prosecution.

by **Melnerag** Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:05 pm

YOu are looking too far into this, Ant. Even history laws that I know didn't really make special mention of guards. Since EVERYBODY KNOWS that guards may beat you up if you resist arrest.

by **Raene** Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:53 pm

Braiden wrote:
1.1 High Treason
Involvement in attempts on His Majesty King Varian Wrynns life or directly aiding foreign powers considered enemies of the Kingdom of Stormwind through any means.

1.2 Treason
Attempts to undermine the rule of His Majesty King Varian Wrynn through undermining, exploiting or violently opposing his officials or institutions.

2.11 Use of forbidden magic
Practicing magic restricted by the Stormwind magi tower including tapping into necromantic, demonic or shadow sources of any kind without approval from the Stormwind magi tower, the Stormwind ministry of Justice or the Stormwind army. This also includes artifacts or objects infused with said energies. Exemptions (or exceptions) in section 4.4 applies.

2.13 Escaping detention
Escaping from a facility where the subject is lawfully detained through any means.

(I'm now suggesting you just do a Ctrl+F for the word trough. There's more to be found, and I won't keep pointing it out).

3.11 Theft
Stealing the property of a Stormwind citizen, the kingdom itself or an ally of Stormwind.
Punishment: A fine of one weeks salary, branding, public humiliation and compensating the victim for double the the value of the items stolen trough coin or labour in addition to returning the stolen property. In cases deemed more severe or in case of repeated offenses a hand or individual fingers may be removed.

(Grammar, no mis-spelling.)

4.4 The Ebon treaty
Death knights affiliated with the Ebon Blade are considered an exemption (or exception) from section 2.11 when it comes to practicing necromancy and shadow magic as per decree of His Royal Majesty King Varian Wrynn. They are also exempt from article 4.5. Restrictions on using necromantic and shadow related abilities still apply while within the Kingdoms borders unless given clearance.

4.5 Undead and demons
Undead or demons that have not been reanimated or summoned with express permission of the Stormwind Magi tower, the Stormwind army or the Stormwind Ministry of Justice is considered illegal and are to be turned in to the authorities for disposal if possible. Exemptions (or Exception) as per section 4.4 apply and arrangements made by the Stormwind army or the Stormwind Ministry of Justice.

4.7 House Arrest
Stormwind nobility and higher officials such as Magistrates or Ministers of the Crown have the right to house arrest if charged with a Major or Minor crime. The Minister of Justice may in cases where justified void this right.

Forgive me, I'm a bit of a grammar nazi, and this was just an initial scan over it. I'd rewrite sections of it to be a bit more clear, but it's your train set, and you can play with it how you like.

Other than that, I like it.

I'd make a case for longer lived races to have different punishments if it comes to affect me. Removing a hand or a finger for a Human may seem justified, but removing a hand of a Humanoid that lives thousands of years is a far more reaching consequence than it may seem. Removing someones hand for stealing an apple may seem justified to the farmer who has been stolen from, but the Kaldorei will still be injured and disabled when his Grandchildrens Grandchildren are having kids of their own and confused as to why an angry and bitter Kaldorei keeps hurling curses at them.

My bad, missed that one. The rest of the point still stands and extends itself over 3.12 with regards to guards becoming liable for prosecution.

And this ladies and gentleman is the reason that laws these days aren't in common language that everyday citizens can understand. They're wrapped up in such verbosity that it will take time and effort to pick apart laws that have taken hundreds of years to write and perfect to prevent such a debate occuring.

You know the spirit of the 'law', and if they have to write more to cover the things that are common sense, then it's an insult to the reader. That being said, I'm sure the people who have to write more to cover questions like yours Antistia will also have some choice words being muttered under their breath whilst they write new paragraphs to cover your queries.

by **Antistia** Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:08 pm

Melnerag wrote:YOu are looking too far into this, Ant. Even history laws that I know didn't really make special mention of guards. Since EVERYBODY KNOWS that guards may beat you up if you resist arrest.

Laws qualify a ban on violence. The previous laws of Stormwind qualified their bans on violence by using the word unlawful, indicating that there are situations where one can lawfully attack another. Let me take the current California penal law code and use their definition of murder as an example:

Murder is the unlawful(1) killing of a human being, or a fetus,(2) with malice aforethought(3).

The above contains three (one can argue about #2 being not one qualification in full but two separate qualification) qualifications that must be fulfilled for someone to have murdered another. These are underlined and numbered 1, 2 and 3 respectively.

If a police officer, in the line of duty, sees an armed robbery, tries to intervene and is subsequently shot upon to which he responds with shots of his own which kills the robber we see, at least, qualification 2 being fulfilled. He has killed a human being. However, for simplicity's sake, we can say that he has acted in a lawful manner (he was acting in self-defense but more importantly one could argue that he was doing his job and that his job entails doing that). Maybe a better example would be a police officer shooting dead a hostage-taker just as that hostage-taker was about to execute the hostage, the point, though, is clear. The fact that qualification 1 is absent means the officer did not, from a legal point of view, commit a murder.

Now, you may say, that this is a modern law. Which is true, but it is by no means a modern phenomenon. The Law of the Twelve Tables was completed at around 449 BC in Rome. I'll quote a translated passage from it:

If anyone knowingly and maliciously kills a freeman, he shall be guilty of a capital crime.

The Romans made a similar, if not the same, distinction as well. Maliciously could be very easily interpreted as being the same as unlawful in this regard (I can't think of any other way to interpret it, if I'm completely honest)

With all due respect though. I'm not looking too far into this, not at all. I noticed it, and the consequences, immediately.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
http://www.constitution.org/sps/sps01_1.htm

Edit:

You know the spirit of the 'law', and if they have to write more to cover the things that are common sense, then it's an insult to the reader. That being said, I'm sure the people who have to write more to cover questions like yours Antistia will also have some choice words being muttered under their breath whilst they write new paragraphs to cover your queries.

They are free to. I completely understand that. I also completely understand that people may feel like I'm nitpicking while in reality I am simply pointing out the obvious (and I could do it to a few other sections if I wasn't being lazy). The fact is that changing the things I've pointed out will improve these laws and improve the RP in court.

by **Raene** Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:19 pm

Volunteer to write the new bits, and see if they implement it.

It's one thing to offer critique, it's another to help constructive critique.

Give zem a hand brethren!

by **Antistia** Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:35 pm

Aelrath wrote:Volunteer to write the new bits, and see if they implement it.

It's one thing to offer critique, it's another to help constructive critique.

Give zem a hand brethren!

Good idea. Though I would argue that it's pretty

Regarding the offending passages I've already noted:

Attacking a Stormwind citizen or an ally of Stormwind with use of weapons or magic.

To be changed to:

Knowingly and unlawfully attacking a Stormwind citizen or an ally of Stormwind with use of weapons or magic.

Reasoning: Knowingly implies a state of mind on part of the suspect. Someone throwing a rock from a building need not be attacking a guard if he wasn't aiming for the guard now was he? That said, it's of minor importance and need not necessarily be included but it would improve the RP in the courts (and I'd argue it being more realistic). Edit: You can also change it to willfully which, now that I think about it, would be a better word for it. Edit2: There is something to be said for rewriting large parts of these crimes as well and then using the California penal code as a basis.

Unlawfully implies a lack of legal authority, or the legal right, to attack another. This would allow for guards to use force to apprehend a suspect.

Attacking a Royal official of Stormwind physically or magically, with or without weapons.

To be changed to:

Knowingly and unlawfully attacking a Royal official of Stormwind physically or magically, with or without weapons.

Reasoning: See above. Proving the illegality of the attack will be easier as the victim is a royal official.

Attacking an individual of Stormwindian noble blood physically or magically, with or without weapons.

To be changed to:

Knowingly and unlawfully attacking an individual of Stormwindian noble blood physically or magically, with or without weapons.

Reasoning: See above.

These are the three main offenders to be honest and the ones I've touched upon. There are surely more which, if requested, I'll explain. I'll also note that an expanded body of law (some procedural law, some civil law and some justifications at the very least) would be necessary to have court RP even come close to realizing a decent part of its potential.

by **Braiden** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:17 pm

Aelrath wrote:I'd make a case for longer lived races to have different punishments if it comes to affect me. Removing a hand or a finger for a Human may seem justified, but removing a hand of a Humanoid that lives thousands of years is a far more reaching consequence than it may seem. Removing someones hand for stealing an apple may seem justified to the farmer who has been stolen from, but the Kaldorei will still be injured and disabled when his Grandchildrens Grandchildren are having kids of their own and confused as to why an angry and bitter Kaldorei keeps hurling curses at them.

The laws are obviously written from a human perspective for a human kingdom, they cant be expected to take into account the life spans of other races nor offer leniency to other races based on their life spans.

Antistia wrote:
Melnerag wrote:YOu are looking too far into this, Ant. Even history laws that I know didn't really make special mention of guards. Since EVERYBODY KNOWS that guards may beat you up if you resist arrest.

Laws qualify a ban on violence. The previous laws of Stormwind qualified their bans on violence by using the word unlawful, indicating that there are situations where one can lawfully attack another. Let me take the current California penal law code and use their definition of murder as an example:

Murder is the unlawful(1) killing of a human being, or a fetus,(2) with malice aforethought(3).

The above contains three (one can argue about #2 being not one qualification in full but two separate qualification) qualifications that must be fulfilled for someone to have murdered another. These are underlined and numbered 1, 2 and 3 respectively.

If a police officer, in the line of duty, sees an armed robbery, tries to intervene and is subsequently shot upon to which he responds with shots of his own which kills the robber we see, at least, qualification 2 being fulfilled. He has killed a human being. However, for simplicity's sake, we can say that he has acted in a lawful manner (he was acting in self-defense but more importantly one could argue that he was doing his job and that his job entails doing that). Maybe a better example would be a police officer shooting dead a hostage-taker just as that hostage-taker was about to execute the hostage, the point, though, is clear. The fact that qualification 1 is absent means the officer did not, from a legal point of view, commit a murder.

Now, you may say, that this is a modern law. Which is true, but it is by no means a modern phenomenon. The Law of the Twelve Tables was completed at around 449 BC in Rome. I'll quote a translated passage from it:

If anyone knowingly and maliciously kills a freeman, he shall be guilty of a capital crime.

The Romans made a similar, if not the same, distinction as well. Maliciously could be very easily interpreted as being the same as unlawful in this regard (I can't think of any other way to interpret it, if I'm completely honest)

With all due respect though. I'm not looking too far into this, not at all. I noticed it, and the consequences, immediately.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
http://www.constitution.org/sps/sps01_1.htm

Edit:

You know the spirit of the 'law', and if they have to write more to cover the things that are common sense, then it's an insult to the reader. That being said, I'm sure the people who have to write more to cover questions like yours Antistia will also have some choice words being muttered under their breath whilst they write new paragraphs to cover your queries.

They are free to. I completely understand that. I also completely understand that people may feel like I'm nitpicking while in reality I am simply pointing out the obvious (and I could do it to a few other sections if I wasn't being lazy). The fact is that changing the things I've pointed out will improve these laws and improve the RP in court.

The draft containing much of these laws, many with the exact same wording has been out for a long, it's a shame this couldn't have been pointed out sooner if you have a need to nitpick (that goes for the grammar nazi above as well) Razz

Never the less I suppose it could be formulated similar to the murder law;

2.8 Murder
Taking the life of another individual without lawful cause.

by **Dréfurion** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:23 pm

Braiden wrote:
Aelrath wrote:I'd make a case for longer lived races to have different punishments if it comes to affect me. Removing a hand or a finger for a Human may seem justified, but removing a hand of a Humanoid that lives thousands of years is a far more reaching consequence than it may seem. Removing someones hand for stealing an apple may seem justified to the farmer who has been stolen from, but the Kaldorei will still be injured and disabled when his Grandchildrens Grandchildren are having kids of their own and confused as to why an angry and bitter Kaldorei keeps hurling curses at them.

The laws are obviously written from a human perspective for a human kingdom, they cant be expected to take into account the life spans of other races nor offer leniency to other races based on their life spans.

This is actually something I would call in to question and would like to see supported by some lore. Stormwind doesn´t seem that inward focussed and purely human-oriented to me!

by **Krogon Devilstep** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:24 pm

The arcane conjured holographic image of Baron Mistmantle manifests infront of the officers of the Stormwind regiment...

"...Execute Law 2.12"

by **Finnabhair** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:25 pm

Dréfurion wrote:
Braiden wrote:
Aelrath wrote:I'd make a case for longer lived races to have different punishments if it comes to affect me. Removing a hand or a finger for a Human may seem justified, but removing a hand of a Humanoid that lives thousands of years is a far more reaching consequence than it may seem. Removing someones hand for stealing an apple may seem justified to the farmer who has been stolen from, but the Kaldorei will still be injured and disabled when his Grandchildrens Grandchildren are having kids of their own and confused as to why an angry and bitter Kaldorei keeps hurling curses at them.

The laws are obviously written from a human perspective for a human kingdom, they cant be expected to take into account the life spans of other races nor offer leniency to other races based on their life spans.

This is actually something I would call in to question and would like to see supported by some lore. Stormwind doesn´t seem that inward focussed and purely human-oriented to me!

It's a human city in a human kingdom. No special treatment should be allowed for non-humans. They live there, they know the laws, they're to follow them like any human resident or they can get out. Smile

by **Vaell** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:25 pm

but the Kaldorei will still be injured and disabled when his Grandchildrens Grandchildren are having kids of their own and confused as to why an angry and bitter Kaldorei keeps hurling curses at them.

Other races in the city will abide by the same consiquences as the Humans. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time! Who is to say that living without one hand for a thousand years is more cruel than 60? The Kal'dorei may grow used to the lack of their hand, perhaps even make an alternative in their time, where as a poor, human will have his short life ever shortened.

There should not be different laws for different people unless they're of a faction with a strong Embassy. If you live in Stormwind, you obey the law. It'd cause a war between factions if a Kirin Tor High Elf was mildly punished for theft, compared to the common man having his hand lopped off.

by **Antistia** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:28 pm

The draft containing much of these laws, many with the exact same wording has been out for a long, it's a shame this couldn't have been pointed out sooner if you have a need to nitpick (that goes for the grammar nazi above as well) Never the less I suppose it could be formulated similar to the murder law;

Haven't seen that draft to be honest. However whether or not this is nitpicking depends on your perspective. I deal with the law on a daily basis, I feel like I'm pointing out 'mistakes' that are both very basic and completely and utterly obvious. You seem to feel different about it though.

by **Braiden** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:29 pm

Krogon Devilstep wrote:
The arcane conjured holographic image of Baron Mistmantle manifests infront of the officers of the Stormwind regiment...

"...Execute Law 2.12"

I'm almost tempted to leave it undisclosed just for the luls.

by **Maelmoor** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:37 pm

Antistia wrote:
The draft containing much of these laws, many with the exact same wording has been out for a long, it's a shame this couldn't have been pointed out sooner if you have a need to nitpick (that goes for the grammar nazi above as well) Never the less I suppose it could be formulated similar to the murder law;

Haven't seen that draft to be honest. However whether or not this is nitpicking depends on your perspective. I deal with the law on a daily basis, I feel like I'm pointing out 'mistakes' that are both very basic and completely and utterly obvious. You seem to feel different about it though.

I think it's more important that the laws are easy to understand for everyone rather than you need to be a lawyer to understand them.

by **Drustai** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:39 pm

Maelmoor wrote:
Antistia wrote:
The draft containing much of these laws, many with the exact same wording has been out for a long, it's a shame this couldn't have been pointed out sooner if you have a need to nitpick (that goes for the grammar nazi above as well) Never the less I suppose it could be formulated similar to the murder law;

Haven't seen that draft to be honest. However whether or not this is nitpicking depends on your perspective. I deal with the law on a daily basis, I feel like I'm pointing out 'mistakes' that are both very basic and completely and utterly obvious. You seem to feel different about it though.

I think it's more important that the laws are easy to understand for everyone rather than you need to be a lawyer to understand them.

Adding "willfully" and "unlawfully" to the law doesn't make it harder to understand.

Antistia, you'll like the military laws I'm working on. They're done in law-speak!

by **Antistia** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:49 pm

Drustai wrote:
Maelmoor wrote:
Antistia wrote:
The draft containing much of these laws, many with the exact same wording has been out for a long, it's a shame this couldn't have been pointed out sooner if you have a need to nitpick (that goes for the grammar nazi above as well) Never the less I suppose it could be formulated similar to the murder law;

Haven't seen that draft to be honest. However whether or not this is nitpicking depends on your perspective. I deal with the law on a daily basis, I feel like I'm pointing out 'mistakes' that are both very basic and completely and utterly obvious. You seem to feel different about it though.

I think it's more important that the laws are easy to understand for everyone rather than you need to be a lawyer to understand them.

Adding "willfully" and "unlawfully" to the law doesn't make it harder to understand.

Antistia, you'll like the military laws I'm working on. They're done in law-speak!

This, a hundred times this. It doesn't make it harder to understand at all, what it does do though is allow for more better RP in the court of law.

And Drustai, I'll be sure to take my time looking at them!

by **Braiden** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:50 pm

Grammar/spelling has been fixed, it's easy to become blind to your own errors when working on something for a while.

I request that this thread is kept IC and OOC feedback is brought up in the proper thread.

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