(Idea) Gilneas' Population

Specifies that OP is willing (and prefers) to cooperate with any other gilnean communities are around so as to step on as few toes as possible

And I'd be happy to cooperate with another Gilnean guild. It doesn't take a fucking master's in English to infer that my above post was aimed at Thelos and his "fuck everyone else's RP #yolo" attitude.

so they could all RP in Stormwind

Uh...

http://www.defiasrp.com/t6214-second-gilnean-banquet-lunar-festival-3rd-feb-2000-all-welcome

Yeah..

http://www.defiasrp.com/t5970-a-rp-event-the-council-of-the-north-jan-4-2000

Stormwind RP ftw

http://gilneas.guildlaunch.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8997692&p=32476995&gid=270708#32476995

*Grabs popcorn*

All in all this:

>Somebody makes thread about Gilneas RP
>States interest in using Gilneas as an RP hub
>Specifies that OP is willing (and prefers) to cooperate with any other gilnean communities are around so as to step on as few toes as possible
>Raenmar goes batshit because it's HIS Gilneas because he spent TWELVE FRIKKIN MONTHS building up a Gilnean Community so they could all RP in Stormwind because Gilneas a warzone with constant invisible attacks that contain no horde players because Raenmar is the chosen Messiah who will lead the gilnean people back to their ancestral homeland and I'll be damned if he doesn't get to decide the exact time, place and way that that's going to happen.
>allmywuts.jpg

People agreed that they will rather join the already existing and then someone opened the Rage can. I'll just open my popcorn can though, i think everything that needed to be said was said.

Focus on the point of the thread (which is not raging, seriously sha of anger got ya guys)

Raenmar wrote:

Specifies that OP is willing (and prefers) to cooperate with any other gilnean communities are around so as to step on as few toes as possible

And I'd be happy to cooperate with another Gilnean guild. It doesn't take a fucking master's in English to infer that my above post was aimed at Thelos and his "fuck everyone else's RP #yolo" attitude.

so they could all RP in Stormwind

Uh...

http://www.defiasrp.com/t6214-second-gilnean-banquet-lunar-festival-3rd-feb-2000-all-welcome

Yeah..

http://www.defiasrp.com/t5970-a-rp-event-the-council-of-the-north-jan-4-2000

Stormwind RP ftw

http://gilneas.guildlaunch.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8997692&p=32476995&gid=270708#32476995

I never intended to read up on your RP, I went by "Why would I be happy about people role-playing in Gilneas?"

I have a solution to solve all your problems.

The Forsaken invade and take over.

Problem solved, stay in Stormwind and do your hanky panky.

erwtenpeller wrote:It's not the same cake. You are baking one cake, they are baking another. Together they can make a fine banquet of different cakes to choose from.

... and as their cakes are so different, and the other practically takes a shit on the other's cake while baking, the end result is that they refuse to have tea together because they prefer to ignore one another's existence. Cakes in this game and on the server are slowly decreasing in number, is it desirable to further cut the existing bakers into smaller groups bickering at each other?

The Gilnean community has never been particularly large, unable to compete with other hubs in activity. It's better for it's lifetime expectancy alone if it pulls together to create a common ground and story. Perhaps a small group of Gilneans refused to leave their homes behind and stayed while the rest evacuated?

Nonsense, cake isn't baked with shit!

I agree. I'd love to work with another Gilnean guild if we can find some common ground that takes into account existing RP and the existing community.

I know Zail and Arenai don't intend to conflict any existing RP, and they seem very reasonable about it. So I think it's a great idea that could work well.

As I said, my post earlier was in response to Paozi's sudden massive rage and his encouraging people to completely disregard the RP of others.

Me and Arenai are currently talking it over.

We understand we may of created a gaint cake of flaming drama, and we apologize.

EDIT: We've thought up of making something like a refugee guild, like a bunch of people trying to make home in Gilneas.

Emphisis on "trying," from what I've read at least. As Drustrai said earlier, because Gilneas is a "warzone," it'd make the RP far more interesting.

Also, we can see everyone has a point in their arguments, but seriously. Calm your uncles, you'll kill Arenai from laughing.

Oh, don't worry. Most threads turn out like this.

I haven't read the pre-posts much cause when i see a post over 5 lines then i can't be arsed...
Buuuut If pre gilnean guilds haven't been able to get some what a community up and going in Gilneas, and still sits back in Stormwind, then i don't see why there couldn't be some people that refused to leave Gilneas, and out of that a Gilnean rp guild = Community.. To those that still wanna use the time on personal war against each others opinions.. Let them have their guild and:

Spoiler:

and still sits back in Stormwind,

So you didn't read the posts and made an incorrect assumption. We don't stay in Stormwind.

Even still, nobody objected to the idea of a community of survivors that stayed in Gilneas.

What Zail said and;




Ok, now that people are calm and relaxed. Go on. Eat some chocolate! Drink Chai tea! It all works when woman has that week in the month y'know. *shrugs*

If a few people want to go to Gilneas and rp their own little story, that's fine. But I'd also say to those few people, "You want to do that on your own, I won't role-play with you if you bring it up to my character that you live peacefully in Gilneas."

If you're going to make up your own lore, don't let it disrupt my characters. That'd be my only problem with it and tbh, I'd advise against it for your sake. You'll make more enemies than friends by messing around with lore to suit your personal needs.

Vaell wrote:If a few people want to go to Gilneas and rp their own little story, that's fine. But I'd also say to those few people, "You want to do that on your own, I won't role-play with you if you bring it up to my character that you live peacefully in Gilneas."

If you're going to make up your own lore, don't let it disrupt my characters. That'd be my only problem with it and tbh, I'd advise against it for your sake. You'll make more enemies than friends by messing around with lore to suit your personal needs.

Either you misread, or I mistyped. The latter is probably more correct.

The refugees are more like people who - as my druid says - "can't let go of that damned land." They'd be faced with almost constant attacks from horde and such.

Arenai said we haven't (if we have, unintentionally) said anything against the lore.

Holy crap I leave the forum for like 2 weeks and it is exactly as I left it!

(Also I propose that gilneas is in all states, as the last lore we had on them was like pre/during the start of cata).

Lexgrad wrote:Holy crap I leave the forum for like 2 weeks and it is exactly as I left it!

(Also I propose that gilneas is in all states, as the last lore we had on them was like pre/during the start of cata).

Negative, most recent Gilneas lore is near the end of Cata, in the rogue legendary Wrathion quest line. The quest line shows a Gilnean militia known as Blackhowl holding the ruins of Gilneas City (though they are under a black dragon's influence) and shows that there are regular Forsaken attacks.

Drustai wrote:

Lexgrad wrote:Holy crap I leave the forum for like 2 weeks and it is exactly as I left it!

(Also I propose that gilneas is in all states, as the last lore we had on them was like pre/during the start of cata).

Negative, most recent Gilneas lore is near the end of Cata, in the rogue legendary Wrathion quest line. The quest line shows a Gilnean militia known as Blackhowl holding the ruins of Gilneas City (though they are under a black dragon's influence) and shows that there are regular Forsaken attacks.

Well then, last lore states that it is worg heald and there is a huge offensive in mop that you could see as drawing resourses from other areas. I cant see why it cant be concidered as we wish still. (Though in fairness, I could not care less).

(Though in fairness, I could not care less).

Because you don't rp on our realm anymore... ))

Oho, life on the forum again..!

I don't feel like a phased questline only available to one class in the game should be the thing determining the state of Gilneas.

I imagine the Forsaken offensive slowing down now that there are both Worgen resistance groups terrorising Forsaken land AND a new continent that Garrosh wants to conquer, which I reckon means all the horde races will have to send a major part of their army to Pandaria. Which leaves less forsaken to attack Gilneas.

Matter of fact is, ingame, if I go to Gilneas, I'm going to see an empty kingdom. Now I'm not saying it should be in a state to just move there and be happy. Obviously the looming threat of being in the shadow of the Forsaken dominion should be very real. All I'm saying is I can't see it being an active warzone in terms of RP when there is absolutely no enemies to make the warzone contain war. It should obviously be a shithole. Of course. But not an active warzone.

The situation for anybody who decides to move into Gilneas in its current state, I imagine it'd be to the situation in Terra Nova(If anybody has watched that). It's a hostile enviroment, there's no fundament for civilisation. The whole place is a ruin and every day would be a struggle to maintain what little order is in place. I think Gilneas is so brilliant, it should be used for RP, because otherwise we're passing a great opportunity. I agree people shouldn't just go there and be all happy days, but I definitely think it should be inhabitable.

In Terra Nova, they're usually pretty happy. It's just because of other humans that they're not. Bad example!

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:
I imagine the Forsaken offensive slowing down now that there are both Worgen resistance groups terrorising Forsaken land AND a new continent that Garrosh wants to conquer, which I reckon means all the horde races will have to send a major part of their army to Pandaria. Which leaves less forsaken to attack Gilneas.

The only forsaken really seen in Pandaria at all are the shipwrecked ones in the alliance starting quests. (correct me if im wrong here)
The entire Pandaria offensive seems to be mostly goblins and orcs (judging by krasarang) with the reliquary brought along for artifacts and the sunwalkers there because of them odd visions.
So... i figure the forsaken could still hold a large amount of forces at the gilnean border, if the npc's in game are any indication of their current participation in the pandaria war.

Tjib/Oragg wrote:
The entire Pandaria offensive seems to be mostly goblins and orcs (judging by krasarang) with the reliquary brought along for artifacts and the sunwalkers there because of them odd visions.

Yub. Orcs, Goblins and Blood Elves. The Trolls, tauren and forsaken stayed home for this one. For Trolls it is specifically made clear that they where "not invited".

besides, the Forsaken are too selfabsorbed to push their forces away from their own fronts, instead opting to increase their own influence by nicking alliance territory, than simply help the horde gain more territory.

Surely after "we" (the rogue player) kills Lord Hiram Creed things could (and probably will?) change? I'd assume that after losing their leader, Blackhowl become part of the larger Gilnean resistance in the ruins of the city (or scatter and go "rogue"). But they are actively fighting the Forsaken there (the place is littered with corpses) and I don't see them "just stopping" cos they have no leader... the fight is still (in my mind) going on.

Ask Wrathion, I am sure he knows and planned it all anyway.

But, I see Gilneas as something of a war(zone) of attrition. Small guerilla attacks and warbands in the ruins of the city and surrounding countryside. Slugging it out in the mud.