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Operation "back down and it was a joke smoke screen with the caviate that any more points raised about me I can simply say are feeding a troll and not have to answer" Pity, I was looking forward to a forthright discussion about my RP from someone ignorant of it, have not done one for a while.

Let there be peace I guess.

On the subject of Panda RP, will any orders be moving out to Pandaland for the war? I was gong to take the Lol Undead paladin" out for the expansion pretty much once the war ramps up, will any guilds or other individuals be doing the same? Could plan something with the Alliance exposition and the new Panda guilds.

A joke? Who said it was a joke? Did I claim it was a joke?

and if you were, good for you. Hope that works out for you, hope you have fun with that.

I was just saying that Grim should enjoy the thread, because I was.

Are you drunk?

Lexgrad wrote:Are you drunk?

It's the stress from being proven wrong.

Lexgrad wrote:Operation "back down and it was a joke smoke screen with the caviate that any more points raised about me I can simply say are feeding a troll and not have to answer" Pity, I was looking forward to a forthright discussion about my RP from someone ignorant of it, have not done one for a while.

Let there be peace I guess.

On the subject of Panda RP, will any orders be moving out to Pandaland for the war? I was gong to take the Lol Undead paladin" out for the expansion pretty much once the war ramps up, will any guilds or other individuals be doing the same? Could plan something with the Alliance exposition and the new Panda guilds.

You're positively retarded...

I am normally right. This is no different.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

This one goes out to each and every one of us. Let's be done with blaming each other?

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With that being said, I thank all of you for making a casual Thursday night so enjoyable.

I'm out.

because undead paladins (which are entirely plausible, they just aren't explicitly stated in lore) are more immersion breaking than talking pandas and magic monsters that appear every time you think bad thoughts ok

But really, having no limits on RP (>travel everywhere and back in a day because everyone is awesome) is immersion breaking.

Mmmyeahh...I can understand in-game mechanics reasoning, to put it, for some IC stuff considering RPing, but I'm personally not going to restrict myself from any Pandaria RP because of you'd have to be part of a mighty strike force in order to be there. But like Koz, I'm probably not going to get too deep into that during this first month anyway, with everyone else being so busy.

Also, I have unfortunately seen too many of these kind of threads during all my WoW years that I can only get some headache out of them instead of amusement these days. Curses.

P.S. Now that we're on the topic...nevermind, I was going to say something, but then read through some of them posts again and decided not to say what I was about to say. I'll just grab my coat and head off. You others have fun!

Am I seeing 47 up there btw?

I was suppose to leave already!

...but yeah, that is. Or it could be one of his clones, now that I think about it. Hmm...damnit, guess I'll spend the next night thinking about it...

This whole argument that people who say it's okay to role-play in Pandaria also think there should not be any limits on role-play is laughable. If a person accepts one thing which you consider bad, doesn't mean they accept everything that is bad. I hate to bring this up again, but this really is a Godwin argument;

"Yeah you guys do this thing, so obviously you do all of this too, you're evil".

Again, it's an easy way to win an argument. Of course I and others are not saying that you should be allowed to role-play the murloc-born son of Jaina and Thrall blue dragon death knight Volusia mutant. Don't think that we are stupid just because we disagree on this one thing and feel it is okay. It doesn't mean we think everything is okay.

Fact is, Copper and I (atleast) are arguing that you should have a valid reason for going to Pandaria ICly and that not just everybody would be able to make for that trip. Coppersocket, for example, is a crime boss in Stormwind and has no bussiness in Pandaria because atm it's a freaking warzone and SW Criminals most likely wouldn't survive for a day in Pandaria.

The whole point of what we've stated is make it make sense. I don't see how you guys can make an argument out of that.

I think the argument is simply a response to how arrogant and rude you both repeatedly were.

Pretty much. My characters will all have valid arguments to get to Pandaria. One of those may be a bit silly; It's a silly character, that does silly things.

It's a content filled with talking panda bears that conjure evil blobs of goo when they get mad. I think I can get away with a bit of silly.

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:The whole point of what we've stated is make it make sense. I don't see how you guys can make an argument out of that.

Nobody is arguing against that. What we are saying is that just because someones motivation to go there stems from an OOC desire to RP in the new content they've payed for, does not mean that they will not have given their character a valid reason for being there. Many assumptions have been made that if their characters are not a part of SI:7 that they have just gone lolpandalandlol and turned up there. You don't know their reasons for being there, neither do I. The main difference is I like to presume that they have given them self a reason and then gone and had some fun, while you guys seem to get so angry and worked up about the idea of people being there.

This is just an assumption on my part but it does seem like you guys really wanna be able to experience this new content in an IC way, or at least experience it at a point that it's still new and wondrous to the majority, and are getting angry because you've set yourselves limits and road blocks to stop you taking your characters there and other people haven't, and now you're worried that by the time you guys get to see it it'll all be old news.

Again that last part is just an assumption and possibly completely off target there, just how things have come across to me.

Humphry wrote:

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:The whole point of what we've stated is make it make sense. I don't see how you guys can make an argument out of that.

Nobody is arguing against that. What we are saying is that just because someones motivation to go there stems from an OOC desire to RP in the new content they've payed for, does not mean that they will not have given their character a valid reason for being there. Many assumptions have been made that if their characters are not a part of SI:7 that they have just gone lolpandalandlol and turned up there. You don't know their reasons for being there, neither do I. The main difference is I like to presume that they have given them self a reason and then gone and had some fun, while you guys seem to get so angry and worked up about the idea of people being there.

This is just an assumption on my part but it does seem like you guys really wanna be able to experience this new content in an IC way, or at least experience it at a point that it's still new and wondrous to the majority, and are getting angry because you've set yourselves limits and road blocks to stop you taking your characters there and other people haven't, and now you're worried that by the time you guys get to see it it'll all be old news.

Again that last part is just an assumption and possibly completely off target there, just how things have come across to me.

I want people to make sense and not just go there because "lolpandalandlol". Make it make sense and it's okay to me, is my entire point.

I am stricter in terms of this than many of you guys. You average joe in Stormwind won't be able to go to Pandaria and make it make sense. I would, for example, assume that SW Regiment, being the army of stormwind, wouldn't turn up in Pandaria untill Varian called for the army in 5.1. I would also expect that Coppersocket and the Forlorn Cartel were to remain out of Pandaria for a good while because atm nobody knows what's there who how fast it will kill you, making it an extreme hazard for commoners to go there.

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I want people to make sense and not just go there because "lolpandalandlol". Make it make sense and it's okay to me, is my entire point.

You seem to have missed the entire point of my previous post. The point was simply that you and Copper have assumed that people have not given their characters more reason to go there than "lolpandalandlol" and got very worked out about it. Now perhaps if either of you had bothered to actually ask one of the people who's characters that are there just why their character was there you might have gotten a valid reason that made perfect sense, perhaps even one you had not thought of. But instead you were both very arrogant and aggressive about the fact you did not want people there.

Also, on a side note, about the Volusia comments. To be quite honest, I couldn't give a flying monkey fuck that he wanted to play a Murlocborn old god with lazer eyes and all that other crap, because well that's down to him and I could just go about my day, think it was rather derpy and not let it affect any part of my RP. The problem I had with the Volusia thing was the giant ball of crazy he was, the constant outrageous whispers and then the sitting on people in RP as a dragon and being generally disruptive. That's the part that destroyed my immersion and annoyed me about the person, not the (in my opinion at least) mess of a character concept they had. Because again, I could chose not to let that affect my character or my RP in any way.

I don't think Copper is trying to force people not to RP there, he is just saying that you should be rping there with knowing a bit of background lore to create a better immersion for all players. You don't have to follow that, but it does rate you as an rper in my opinion. We RP their lore, if you rp as part of a community that follows that, you should know their lore. I think that is fair to say. I can, however, come up with a bunch of reasons to why people could be on Pandaria and still keep immersion in check: (Alliance side)

- Like Monrena said, they'll need basic civilian jobs done to set up base camps. However, Mon, you were wrong with the army thing. Instead, you could say the SI:7 recruited you and others in secrecy to come and do work like cooking, building and what not.
- Airship "sailors" or even sailors that were on the vessel with the white pawn / other vessels with them.
- Pandaria would have been known as an old myth by the Panda peeps in Stormwind so would-be-adventurers could seek it out.
- In Booty Bay and a gunship is flying over heading south? Follow them!
- A sailor/on a boat and notice the mists have faded. It would be a known tale that the south is covered in them.

Can think of a lot more but you get the point. I'm sure most people have done that as it isn't exactly hard to imagine ways to be there. Personally, none of my chars would bother. If Vaell found out, he probably would just so he can boast to other magi that he knows more about Pandas than them.

One thing did stick out...

Some of our chars are, lore-wise, the heroes who killed Deathwing(and even down through all the previous expansions, all the other baddies).

Someone said this near the beginning of this argument and I have to be honest. Anyone RPing a hero that downed one of the major lore chars, I won't rp with. I think it is the unwritten rule that because everyone here has done that, none of us can have the position of doing it. The only people I would accept are server firsts tbh, I think that is a fair system to me. I can't tell anyone not to rp a hero who has downed Illidan, but you rp that and I'll be walking away with my middle finger up!

Vaell wrote:I don't think Copper is trying to force people not to RP there, he is just saying that you should be rping there with knowing a bit of background lore to create a better immersion for all players. You don't have to follow that, but it does rate you as an rper in my opinion. We RP their lore, if you rp as part of a community that follows that, you should know their lore. I think that is fair to say. I can, however, come up with a bunch of reasons to why people could be on Pandaria and still keep immersion in check: (Alliance side).

But Copper didn't ask people what their reasoning would be, it was all you can't do this and you shouldn't do that and I can't believe people are doing this and so on. I mean as you've listed above, there are multiple reasons for people to have wound up there, and a little polite asking would go much further than the arrogance and putting people down without knowing the facts. I suppose I just assume that people in this community would have given their character valid reason to be there and indeed know a bit of the background lore to play along with it. That's what I'd do if I had taken a character there and I like to think that the others around here would do the same, I guess that's why people being there already hasn't been an issue for me.

Vaell wrote:I can't tell anyone not to rp a hero who has downed Illidan, but you rp that and I'll be walking away with my middle finger up!

In my opinion giving them the middle fingers a little harsh, I'd just ICly treat them as a "special case" and assume they are a bit mentally challenged. But yeah, it's just that easy to avoid that sort of stuff. There's really no need to make it into such a big thing.

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:Fact is, Copper and I (atleast) are arguing that you should have a valid reason for going to Pandaria ICly and that not just everybody would be able to make for that trip. Coppersocket, for example, is a crime boss in Stormwind and has no bussiness in Pandaria because atm it's a freaking warzone and SW Criminals most likely wouldn't survive for a day in Pandaria.

The whole point of what we've stated is make it make sense. I don't see how you guys can make an argument out of that.

They all gave reasons.

So, really, I guess what you were saying is that there wasn't really much of a problem to begin with.

I concur!

Paozi wrote:

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:Fact is, Copper and I (atleast) are arguing that you should have a valid reason for going to Pandaria ICly and that not just everybody would be able to make for that trip. Coppersocket, for example, is a crime boss in Stormwind and has no bussiness in Pandaria because atm it's a freaking warzone and SW Criminals most likely wouldn't survive for a day in Pandaria.

The whole point of what we've stated is make it make sense. I don't see how you guys can make an argument out of that.

They all gave reasons.

So, really, I guess what you were saying is that there wasn't really much of a problem to begin with.

I concur!

Initially I said that commoners shouldn't be on pandaria and that's when people started crying.