First Two Weeks of MoP - Keep Roleplay alive!

Humphry wrote:

Vaell wrote:I can't tell anyone not to rp a hero who has downed Illidan, but you rp that and I'll be walking away with my middle finger up!

In my opinion giving them the middle fingers a little harsh, I'd just ICly treat them as a "special case" and assume they are a bit mentally challenged. But yeah, it's just that easy to avoid that sort of stuff. There's really no need to make it into such a big thing.

Or you could assume, he was one of the countless soldiers that took part in the assault on the black-temple. Which is usually my take on such stories, so I don't end up ostracising people for probably just inexperience.

Someone said this near the beginning of this argument and I have to be honest. Anyone RPing a hero that downed one of the major lore chars, I won't rp with. I think it is the unwritten rule that because everyone here has done that, none of us can have the position of doing it. The only people I would accept are server firsts tbh, I think that is a fair system to me. I can't tell anyone not to rp a hero who has downed Illidan, but you rp that and I'll be walking away with my middle finger up!

I said that, and I used that as an argument: I would never play such a character(tbh, the great hero in shining armour is for me a bland and boring character, and I think most of the people who rped with me know that pretty well). The issue is that somebody(whom we all treat as an unnamed NPC hero) did it, and he/she is out there, went to Pandaria called by the king. And this person/people disappearing, or rather, seen get to the Keep and then to the Skyfire and fly away with a bunch of other heroes and soldiers would raise questions, and people, however peasants or simply commoners would connect the dots.

I don't think Copper is trying to force people not to RP there, he is just saying that you should be rping there with knowing a bit of background lore to create a better immersion for all players. You don't have to follow that, but it does rate you as an rper in my opinion. We RP their lore, if you rp as part of a community that follows that, you should know their lore. I think that is fair to say.

To follow the server lore, or at least trying to know it and be consistent with it, it's a thing. When people want to to override official lore with server lore, or just with their own ideas, even if justified or coherent, or even judge other roleplayers and deem them as lollers, then we have a problem. There is only one official lore, that everybody must follow. The rest is up to the players. I stick to the role the lore puts you in, to a certain degree, the official lore I follow when/if needed, because creates consistent and long-lasting entertaining stories. But everything stops there. And, to be honest, people who state they can or could rate roleplayers give me just the chills, and spite. Who the hell are you(you in a very general meaning)? You're just another player paying a subscription and trying to get fun through roleplay. Down of your perch, 'cause you are nobody, as well as the others.

Or you could assume, he was one of the countless soldiers that took part in the assault on the black-temple. Which is usually my take on such stories, so I don't end up ostracising people for probably just inexperience.

And this, so much this. Ostracising people 'cause they don't follow your set of 'rules', instead of even trying to explain this set of rules, is what in the first place makes people leave here, or just even stop trying to rp. When the closed club will be over of people because of this, I suspect the little sandbox will run out of sand. And empty sandboxes are not fun.

We RP their lore

There is only one official lore, that everybody must follow.

Whenever these things come up in arguments I can't help but think about stuff like the Chapter of the Holy Anethion. There's a couple of more like that, but let's take the biggest and most bad-ass as an example. Those guys are not really in the warcraft lore, are they?

Yet, we all like them and accept them as being a thing. Why do those guys get to have their non-canon adventures, and others don't?

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More examples (Let's make a list!):
Naaruvada, based on what Thelos could gather up about Draenei faith, but still very much his own thing.
The Ashen Ascendancy, evil baddies that want "freedom" for the forsaken and blood elves.

erwtenpeller wrote:

We RP their lore

There is only one official lore, that everybody must follow.

Whenever these things come up in arguments I can't help but think about stuff like the Chapter of the Holy Anethion. There's a couple of more like that, but let's take the biggest and most bad-ass as an example. Those guys are not really in the warcraft lore, are they?

Yet, we all like them and accept them as being a thing. Why do those guys get to have their non-canon adventures, and others don't?

Because they're not bending lore. They're playing within it.

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:Because they're not bending lore. They're playing within it.

They are adding to lore, using what they know of the warcraft-verse and building on it. Why is imagining a fisherman that get's lost at sea and finds himself shipwrecked on the shores of Pandaria wrong, but inventing your own religion right?

erwtenpeller wrote:

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:Because they're not bending lore. They're playing within it.

They are adding to lore, using what they know of the warcraft-verse and building on it. Why is imagining a fisherman that get's lost at sea and finds himself shipwrecked on the shores of Pandaria wrong, but inventing your own religion right?

The fisherman would be dead by the end of his first day on Pandaria.

Why?

I'm surprised this argument is still active.

Anyhow, if it wasn't clear, as I stated several times in the beginning. I will not halt your princess daisy RP, nor will I care what you do.
And as Vaell states, I do believe there is to be a limit to things, I believe you cannot go around being a fucking fancy pants just because you 'want to'. That's the charm of roleplaying, as well as the edge of it. You actually have consequences for your actions.

To me, as a roleplayer, it's very annoying to see people who don't put time and effort into their characters and give them the love the characters desires, and that is why I am pressing the point.
I can be as aggressive, rude, hateful in my words- however at the end of the day- I just want you to Care.

Put emotion into it, don't sully your own character by 'giving him or her permissions' he or she would normally would not, such as magically getting knowledge about the island and it's location.
You don't do yourself any favors by metagaming like that, and you certainly don't do the people around you any favors by being a fucking power-player.

There's one main reason commoners should not be in pandaria yet, and it's that it's a newcontinent. It'd be locked down almost entirely by the military until they can say for certain that a regular commoner could be present and not die from some new horrible disease or such.
Now, I know what you're gonna say "I don't care, I just want to have fun RPing in Pandaria." Sure you do, but have some patience ey? If you want to RP in Pandaria, enroll to something, like Monrena did or something. Fucking hell, it's not that hard.

Why I didn't ask for your reasons for going to Pandaria is because I ultimately don't give a rats ass about why you're there. I couldn't care less.
What I -do- care about, is if you put enough love into the character to make the trip there genuine. Not just because "MOMMY I WANT TO GO THERE."

I said this about Northrend too, not everyone's gonna be able to go there, it's logical.
Copper has barely traveled outside Eastern Kingdoms at all, because there's never been a reason for her to go there.

Ya'll can throw as much shit, and hate on me as you want for what I've written in this thread, I don't give a fuck. But don't you fucking take a piss on my character because of it. I don't believe you people will, as I believe you're better than that, but still. Worth laying out there.

Coppersocket wrote:it's very annoying to see people who don't put time and effort into their characters and give them the love the characters desires, and that is why I am pressing the point.

This I find just down right offensive. Just because I don't play by your rules, I don't invest time and care in my characters and the development of those characters? Bitch, please.

There's one main reason commoners should not be in pandaria yet, and it's that it's a newcontinent.

I'd consider that the main reason commoners would go there. To find a fresh start in a new world. If the world worked like you seem to think it does, America and Australia would look very different today. Immigrants are a thing.

I can be as aggressive, rude, hateful in my words- however at the end of the day- I just want you to Care.

But being aggressive, rude and hateful is just making people think you're a dickhead. Ever thought of being nice instead? People will be more inclined to listen to niceness and logic than to "OMG U ALL NOOBZ LOLOLOLOLOL" which is, quite frankly, how you're coming across.

Ya'll can throw as much shit, and hate on me as you want for what I've written in this thread, I don't give a fuck. But don't you fucking take a piss on my character because of it. I don't believe you people will, as I believe you're better than that, but still. Worth laying out there.

Do you realise that you're pissing on other people's characters? You've got off massively lightly by not having had people respond in kind.

To me, as a roleplayer, it's very annoying to see people who don't put time and effort into their characters and give them the love the characters desires, and that is why I am pressing the point.

Its exactly this attitude which is making you come across like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum.
Who died and made you the ultimate RP god with powers to arbitralily decide who does and does not put time and effort into their characters?

In short. You are a hateful little turd and you are the exact reason why RP'ers get a bad reputation for aggressiveness and elitism.

Now, even if my opinion on the subject I think it's clear, I must agree on Copper here. (Didn't want the rhyme)

Pandaria has just been discovered: unless the commoner is one of the moppers of the skyfire(or one of Horde vessels' crew which reached Pandaria's shores in the first place), the idea of a commoner there and surviving is -quite- unbelievable(no charts with it yet). Sure, a shipwreck would make sense(mop trailer clearly states that) but then you should create an IC reason to get to a ship and where were you going and why you'd be the only one who survived(unless you find another rper who accepts of being with you in the travel and the after arrival in Pandaria). And they should have anyway some fight training and such, or(that'd create amazing roleplay) they could have been saved and helped by the inhabitants(means, pandarens, who could be roleplayed as well) just before Alliance and Horde began to fight in Jade forest and in the other places of the continent. On a side note, this could great to justify a non-pandaren monk.

Its exactly this attitude which is making you come across like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum.
Who died and made you the ultimate RP god with powers to arbitralily decide who does and does not put time and effort into their characters?

Grim, if I'll ever want to be married, you'd be on my wishlist.

Jesus effin' Christ people. Stop it already. Can't we all just get along?
Throwing insults and harassments at one another won't do anything good for either yourself or anyone else.

Also, please don't derail this thread any further. If I recall correctly this was about scheduled nights where people might be around for RP.

Coppersocket wrote:Why I didn't ask for your reasons for going to Pandaria is because I ultimately don't give a rats ass about why you're there. I couldn't care less.
What I -do- care about, is if you put enough love into the character to make the trip there genuine. Not just because "MOMMY I WANT TO GO THERE."

Is it just me or are these two statements contradictory? If you had asked -why-, you would know if they "put enough love into the character to make the trip there genuine". For example;

"Hey, just wondering, how would Humphry even be anywhere near Pandaria so soon?"

"Lol because I wanna be so he's there!"

This seems to be the assumption you've made about every person that has a character there, and are indeed so very hostile about it.

"Hey, just wondering, how would Khrona even be anywhere near Pandaria so soon?"

"Oh, because he's part of the kor'kron. My guild rped boarding Hellscreams Fist and crash landing, our coms losing signal in the mists, even one of our members M.I.A as they are leaving for a few months. It's been rather exciting."

A perfectly valid reason for a character to be there, which shows the thought and "Love" that has been put into it to make their reason genuine.

See how that works? You ask, you know. There's no need to become so hostile and aggressive towards the people who are ICly in Pandaria as a whole.

I love this thread!

Coppersocket wrote:

Ya'll can throw as much shit, and hate on me as you want for what I've written in this thread, I don't give a fuck. But don't you fucking take a piss on my character because of it. I don't believe you people will, as I believe you're better than that, but still. Worth laying out there.

Remind me who was the only person in this thread to trash anyone else's RP? Imagine if you will that behind the scenes everyone is talking about you and yours, peope making up shit... Clearly from this response having guys take anything OOC and have it affect your RP would be something you would not like. Now maybe you could work out that others feel the same and stop.

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:

Make it make sense and it's okay to me, is my entire point.

That basiclly sums up Ixirars argument for any one who wants the TL;DR version. Kav, i fully expect a response with the words retard, piss and fuck in them, but w/e, I bring this to attention of all simply to make people realise the motivation behind it and all of these continuous idotic arguments. People do different things than you, no one person is the arbiter. Deal with it.

Now how about we all agree to stop being dicks to each other, tnx.

Kav, i fully expect a response with the words retard, piss and fuck in them, but w/e,

Why do you keep doing this.

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:

Kav, i fully expect a response with the words retard, piss and fuck in them, but w/e,

Why do you keep doing this.

Now I'm not 100% sure here, but maybe, just maybe it's because of how you've responded to his and some others posts previously?

Humphry wrote:

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:

Kav, i fully expect a response with the words retard, piss and fuck in them, but w/e,

Why do you keep doing this.

Now I'm not 100% sure here, but maybe, just maybe it's because of how you've responded to his and some others posts previously?

But is that not a bad way to "stop being a dick" like he claims to want everyone to do? I am forced to assume that the "everyone" includes himself and he isn't just calling for everyone -but- him to stop being a dick.

We do seem to have an existential crisis.

Just chill guyz, I blame the Sha.

And, to be honest, people who state they can or could rate roleplayers give me just the chills, and spite. Who the hell are you(you in a very general meaning)? You're just another player paying a subscription and trying to get fun through roleplay. Down of your perch, 'cause you are nobody, as well as the others.

If this was in response to my "Anyone rping as a champion who downed I'll simply put my middle finger up at." then two things. Firstly, the reason I said that is because I assumed that is what you are doing. You seem like more of a seasoned RPer so therefore, responsible for the stories you create. If a new RPer did it, I'd be more leniant and tell him that could come across badly.

But in regards to the actual quote. Yes. You can judge someone's role-playing ability. Role-play comes down to three things. Acting, writing and improvisation.

Acting - though it is easy to convince anyone you're a character online, I do bring this up because of things like LARP. I could go around a LARP event and pick out good actors from the bad quite easily. Who am I to judge? Someone who has been interested in said field and seen professionals in it. So yes, I can judge it there.
Writing - A good writer is usually a good role-player. Especially if they're a fiction writer. Can you compare writers? Of course.
Improvisation - the ability to think on the spot. If you're immersed with your character, you can do this without a second thought.

So yes, I'm just another player paying a subscription, but we're all just critics plying one. I don't know what the "you're a nobody." thing is, some sort of self-righteous underdog statement. Brilliant.

But on topic, yes, Copper has jumped the gun a fair bit but belittling him after he has insulted you is just as offensive. Talking down to him like a child is worse than being called a wanker/shitstain/bastard so don't act like white knights. I agree, Copper was unnecessarily insulting, but everyone who responded acted just as bad.

It comes down to a simple thing. If you're going to RP on Pandaria and want to RP with others without breaking their immersion - a community - come up with a decent backstory and you'll get on with everyone! I realise most people have and Copper jumped the gun, but he has corrected his initial statement so... What's the problem?!

erwtenpeller wrote:This I find just down right offensive.

Because you take it personal. It's rare I speak about these kind of things against or with a singular person in mind.

Grim wrote:

I can be as aggressive, rude, hateful in my words- however at the end of the day- I just want you to Care.

But being aggressive, rude and hateful is just making people think you're a dickhead. Ever thought of being nice instead? People will be more inclined to listen to niceness and logic than to "OMG U ALL NOOBZ LOLOLOLOLOL" which is, quite frankly, how you're coming across.

Point taken, thus why I clarify myself, and actually apologize for my previous behaviour.
If I look back at the previous posts I've made it was extremely hostile, yes. Needlessly so.
I'm not trying to cover up anything, just saying I believe I went too far, and the point I was trying to make was lost in both lack of information on my part, and the general bad habit of playing with fire.

Humphry wrote:"Hey, just wondering, how would Humphry even be anywhere near Pandaria so soon?"

"Lol because I wanna be so he's there!"

This seems to be the assumption you've made about every person that has a character there, and are indeed so very hostile about it.

"Hey, just wondering, how would Khrona even be anywhere near Pandaria so soon?"

"Oh, because he's part of the kor'kron. My guild rped boarding Hellscreams Fist and crash landing, our coms losing signal in the mists, even one of our members M.I.A as they are leaving for a few months. It's been rather exciting."

A perfectly valid reason for a character to be there, which shows the thought and "Love" that has been put into it to make their reason genuine.

See how that works? You ask, you know. There's no need to become so hostile and aggressive towards the people who are ICly in Pandaria as a whole.

What? Sorry, what? You're trying to put words into my mouth now? Great. Lovely.
If you didn't notice, I did actually tell our friend Khrona here that his reason was very much solid? Perhaps you need glasses?
I am not trying to tell people that "You cant RP in pandaria because I say so." Fucking hell.

Lexgrad wrote:Remind me who was the only person in this thread to trash anyone else's RP? Imagine if you will that behind the scenes everyone is talking about you and yours, peope making up shit... Clearly from this response having guys take anything OOC and have it affect your RP would be something you would not like. Now maybe you could work out that others feel the same and stop.

You have to take everything in moderation, and "behind the scenes"? What? I wasn't aware I was 'behind the scenes' of anyone, talking shit about their RP. I'm quite sure this is very much public and anyone can read it.
I don't really get what point you're trying to get at here, it seems unrelated. I've not actively been interfering with anyone's RP. I did question Monrena's RP, however I was proven wrong and I did, if you don't recall- admit I was wrong.

I am no "god", I have no desire to "control" your RP, I have no desire to disrupt your RP either- However, I do want you to be cautious so you don't make mistakes.
I don't control the lore, Blizzard does. I try play by the universe this game is put in, do you?

I truly hope that you all enjoy this expansion as much as possible, and that you enjoy your time in Pandaria, just don't pull shit out of your ass to get there.

(If you still don't get it: My points, like "don't pull shit out of your ass". Is not directed at anyone in particular- it is not saying that someone specific does it and it does not imply that anyone is a bad roleplayer. This is merely saying that I'd like you to continue using whatever imagination you [Whoever that is], and anyone around you should take your time, make a an appropriate reason for yourself to go to Pandaria- not just any reason, but a reason that you feel is solid enough to work for your character.
This is how I discuss things. I rarely ever look at a specific group but at 'nobody in particular'. That's not saying I'm always correct, certainly am not- nor is my behavior always correct. But if I behave in a bad way, I can apologize, or at least admit my wrongdoing, if I do feel I have acted in a bad way in hindsight.)

I think we should change the site banner to say:

Defias Brotherhood

Dramaqueen Community.

Y'all know it's true.

I agree with Copper's and Ixirar's points, but honestly I don't care if people travel to Pandaria right now, nor it bothers me at all. I think it would be more interesting to discuss Sophyra's opening post instead; since we all want so badly to visit Pandaria after 5.1 (I honestly can't wait) maybe we could organize some small events to get ready for that, like having some Pandarens talking about their lore in public; gathering information about this new continent; rigging ships and hiring sailors, and so on. Like some people said there's the sensation something strange is going on, and some people may want to know more. That's how I see it!

The thing is... Who sais 5.1 is going to say the common people are flocking to Pandaria? What if they don't ever?

Guys. guys, please stop arguing. From what I've seen, everybody actually agrees with eachother, but due to miscommunications people and poor choice of words people are still at eachother's throats.

Basicly, what is said is:

"If you want your character to go to Pandaria, he must have a good reason, because it is hard to get and stay (alive) in Pandaria".

Nobody disagrees with this, honestly, nobody does. You're always expected to be able to give justifications for your character's actions when called out on it. This is good, normal, healthy, etc. There may be quarrels about what accounts to a reasonable justifcation, of course, there always is and always will be, but this main point remains unchanged: I have seen people argue as if people oppose this particular point, which is blatantly false.

Somehow the argument devolved in people suggesting ways for characters to get to Pandaria and others shooting them down: but this is wholly derivative of the original, solid point that was being made, and frankly not very helpful. I suspect the venomous nature in this thread is what is causing the hyper-skepticism of people blowing any and all suggestions out of the water.

Honestly, we are all in agreement, you are just not seeing it.