Re: First Two Weeks of MoP - Keep Roleplay alive!

by **Ixirar** Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:53 pm

Bloedneus wrote:
Coppersocket wrote:So then the question remains, who's an idiot enough to set out on a wild goosechase to find pandaria and have it in their mind to believe they could find it in two days? It'd take extreme luck to find it on your own.

Maybe not two days, but ehm... Columbus? Tasman? Barendtsz?

Coppersocket wrote:It's about commitment. Are you committed enough to your character to give him/her a valid reason to go to Pandaria? Or are you so unimaginative that you cannot make a proper excuse to be there? If you are, then why the fuck are you role playing?

Commitment? Bloody hell, I've been doing this all wrong. Here I thought this was about that crazy little thing called... Crap. What's the name?

Ah!

Fun!

This is the line of reasoning that ABoC use too. Just saying.

by **Humphry** Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:56 pm

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:This is the line of reasoning that ABoC use too. Just saying.

AboC gain their fun from ruining other peoples. The guys over in Pandaland aren't exactly ruining anything for anyone. Nobody is forced to partake in it or even interact with it. So comparing them to AboC seems a little much man.

by **Bloedneus** Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:58 pm

Is mentioning AboC the new way of godwinning something?

Nazis. There, I said it. Do I win something?

by **Coppersocket** Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:59 pm

Bloedneus wrote:Fun!

Because Commitment clearly irons out fun.
Yup, that's totally how it is.
... Yup!

Couldn't come up with something better could you?

Anyhow. Everything's been said that needs to be said. Give yourself a solid reason to go to Pandaria, if you desire to go there right away.
You have imagination, use it.

I think I heard Lion's Pride Inn wanted you back, Deli.

by **erwtenpeller** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:01 pm

I even gave you a solid reason to go to Pandaria! You're welcome <3

Coppersocket wrote:You have imagination, use it.

erwtenpeller wrote:Grab your guild and go on a ship to Stranglethorn to score some high-profit shady deal, when suddenly wham! You're hit by a giant storm, are blown off-course and the thugs find themselves run aground on unfamiliar shores...

Presto, pandas.

\o/

by **Dréfurion** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:05 pm

Chen and Li Li Stormstout. If dem Pandas can find Pandaria, any Panda can.

by **Ixirar** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:05 pm

Is mentioning AboC the new way of godwinning something?

Nazis. There, I said it. Do I win something?

Matter of fact is, ABOC claim that their way of having fun is to PVP in the open world and that any enemy player in the open world is the means to that end no matter if it ruins anything for anybody. Their fun is the #1 priority.

You guys claim that you paid for pandaria so it's your right to RP in pandaria because it's fun and no matter how stupid it is that your char is in Pandaria you're gonna force it there, metagaming or not, because your fun is the #1 priority.

ABoC is ruining my immersion because they purposedly hunt and camp RPers so we're unable to RP in contested zones without their shitfest of ganking, it's also ruining my immersion if I encounter somebody in SW telling tales of a continent that he IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM should have EVER seen in his entire life, just because the player wanted to have fun in Pandaria.

See, there's a reason for my analogy. However, I've done nothing that is even remotely worthy of me being called a Nazi so I'm forced to conclude that you're only calling me a nazi because you're out of actual arguements and the only thing there's left for you to do is either reason with me or start throwing shit and OH MY GOD we can't have the first option now can we.

by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:09 pm

I think he meant that:
"ABoC did it" has become an equivalent to "Nazis did it", both sensible arguments from time to time, but too often used as cop outs.

by **Ixirar** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:10 pm

The context that he said it in was, even if unintentionally, calling me a nazi though.

by **Thelos** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:18 pm

Coppersocket wrote:
Anyhow. Everything's been said that needs to be said. Give yourself a solid reason to go to Pandaria, if you desire to go there right away.
You have imagination, use it.

This is exactly what people have been doing.

People are giving reasons. Excuses. They can explain themselves being there.

Ergo, you people are both fighting ghosts, since nobody is accusing anybody of anything.

Stop calling other players bad because they don't agree with your way of doing things. You're acting as if role-playing is some sort of competetive sport, for crying out loud, something you can be better or worse at. It's like playing doctor, to win. Commitment? Consistency? Lore? Your immersion being broken?

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Just log in the game and have fun, play the game you want to play, and don't belittle other players for not playing the game you want them to be playing.

by **Bloedneus** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:21 pm

If you want to take it that way, by all means do. Calling me a funsucking camper who does nothing but troll people who are honestly trying to roleplay doesn't strike me as very kind either.

As for your arguments: How am I ruining your immersion the way AboC does if I'm RP'ing in Pandaria, when you're not there? Is the knowledge that someone is doing something you don't approve of so grating? There's always an ignore option. Feel free to use it liberally on people who start talk about Pandaria IC when you feel they shouldn't. Call the lunatics for all I care.

On the other hand, I see people here comparing players to Lollers because they're doing something they don't agree with. Great community spirit this place has, really. Is it so hard to consider that there are people who have thought of reasons to go to Pandaria, no matter if you 'approve' of those reasons? Is that really such a big issue that you feel the need to to jump to conclusions about these players and already assume they have no proper IC reason?

Maybe this is all getting blown up a little, egos clashing and what not.

For now, live and let live. Stick to the known continents if you feel that way, go to Pandaria if you don't. It's not rocket science, it's a game.

by **Ixirar** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:29 pm

Bloedneus wrote:If you want to take it that way, by all means do. Calling me a funsucking camper who does nothing but troll people who are honestly trying to roleplay doesn't strike me as very kind either.

As for your arguments: How am I ruining your immersion the way AboC does if I'm RP'ing in Pandaria, when you're not there? Is the knowledge that someone is doing something you don't approve of so grating? There's always an ignore option. Feel free to use it liberally on people who start talk about Pandaria IC when you feel they shouldn't. Call the lunatics for all I care.

On the other hand, I see people here comparing players to Lollers because they're doing something they don't agree with. Great community spirit this place has, really. Is it so hard to consider that there are people who have thought of reasons to go to Pandaria, no matter if you 'approve' of those reasons? Is that really such a big issue that you feel the need to to jump to conclusions about these players and already assume they have no proper IC reason?

Maybe this is all getting blown up a little, egos clashing and what not.

For now, live and let live. Stick to the known continents if you feel that way, go to Pandaria if you don't. It's not rocket science, it's a game.

Your reading comprehension is beyond horrid if this is what you got from my last post. I'm out.

by **Humphry** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:30 pm

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:it's also ruining my immersion if I encounter somebody in SW telling tales of a continent that he IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM should have EVER seen in his entire life, just because the player wanted to have fun in Pandaria

How would you know the characters reasons behind being there unless you RP with them and find out? For all you know people have come up with valid reasons for their characters being there. Just because their motivation is that they have payed for this new content and want to explore it, doesn't mean they will not have given their characters more of a reason to end up there.

At any rate there are much worse things in this community than people's characters being in Pandaria already, valid reason or not. So lets not bitch and moan about it and lets all try to have some fun in the -game- we're all paying for.

by **Dréfurion** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:36 pm

Thelos and Humphry for president.

by **erwtenpeller** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:36 pm

erwtenpeller wrote:I like you, Hummers. You're a good man.

Drefurion wrote:Thelos and Humphry for president.

by **Thelos** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:36 pm

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:
Bloedneus wrote:If you want to take it that way, by all means do. Calling me a funsucking camper who does nothing but troll people who are honestly trying to roleplay doesn't strike me as very kind either.

As for your arguments: How am I ruining your immersion the way AboC does if I'm RP'ing in Pandaria, when you're not there? Is the knowledge that someone is doing something you don't approve of so grating? There's always an ignore option. Feel free to use it liberally on people who start talk about Pandaria IC when you feel they shouldn't. Call the lunatics for all I care.

On the other hand, I see people here comparing players to Lollers because they're doing something they don't agree with. Great community spirit this place has, really. Is it so hard to consider that there are people who have thought of reasons to go to Pandaria, no matter if you 'approve' of those reasons? Is that really such a big issue that you feel the need to to jump to conclusions about these players and already assume they have no proper IC reason?

Maybe this is all getting blown up a little, egos clashing and what not.

For now, live and let live. Stick to the known continents if you feel that way, go to Pandaria if you don't. It's not rocket science, it's a game.

Your reading comprehension is beyond horrid if this is what you got from my last post. I'm out.

Perhaps instead of blaming other people for miscomprehending, you should blame yourself for not being able to express yourself more clearly, because Bloedneus his interpetation is exactly the same as mine.

Oh, and, you calling Delidah/erwtenpeller a bad role-player just because he disagrees with you on some theoretical point really pisses me off. He's one of the best role-players I have ever had the pleasure of playing with, and besmirching people just because you disagree with them is the absolute lowest form of argumentation.

I'm out as well.

by **Kozgugore Feraleye** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:39 pm

Bloedneus wrote:Maybe this is all getting blown up a little, egos clashing and what not.

I hear this "ego"-thing is vital to RP communities. Many a self-proclaiming RPer can't go without.

From a quick look over this thread, it looks like things have been blown way out of proportions. Live and let live I'd say. Pandaria hasn't been released to -not- use it. It's got great RP potential. I personally will be waiting to use it, but certainly -not- because it "wouldn't make sense" for some odd reason, but because there's too many people lolling around still for me to be able to properly RP yet.

by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:42 pm

Let's not start a fight over the internet in here. You all know that saying I have in mind. It's got a charming motivational picture of a smiling, handicapped youngster running...

by **Tuomas/Decurius** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:43 pm

Dwyburn wrote:I think he meant that:
"ABoC did it" has become an equivalent to "Nazis did it", both sensible arguments from time to time, but too often used as cop outs.

Not to mention it is a fallacious argument.

About Pandarens from Wandering Isle and the things they believe about Pandaria. I'm sorry here, but there are a couple of things which must be said:

1)Pandaren as a culture and belief have a very special relationship with history. We have even an entire faction revolved around historical findings and such. It's not like old wives tales. It's history. They record things, they look for things, in a very peculiar way. So, when they talk about their own history, they talk about facts, facts which can be checked through findings and records.

2)That aside, in a fantasy world like the one of wow, in a society which is more or less similar to a medieval one(or, at least, the stereotype of a medieval one), culture and knowledge is mostly oral. Means that stories of the past, tales about heroes and emperors disappearing in mists and such, or even the idea of a giant turtle being an island, which for us is absurd, in such a culture would have been believed as fact, even if just told about, with no proofs or records.

The idea, after two days after the discovery, that the low commoner would know of Pandaria or even just believe it, is not absurd at all. It's even feasible, seen and considered that important people(heroes who killed Deathwing, aye!) suddenly disappeared, as well as the huge warship which was floating over the docks, together with a mass of soldiers. Possible that none of those soldiers would have told their families:"Goodbye, lovely wife, I'm getting to war on a strange new place we've never seen."? C'mon. The entire crew of the Skyfire? (I don't mention Horde 'cause I don't play Horde) By the way, there is no real interest for the King or the kingdom to hide the existence of Pandaria.

The idea, instead, of the low commoner being in Pandaria is indeed absurd, two days after its discovery. One, it's quite far from the other continents shores: a person would need a ship to get there, completely crewed. Potentially, people like Humphry or Braiden could hire a crew and a ship to get there. But there, we have the second huge problem. It's still uncharted: nobody knows how large is the place, how to get there, what's there. Unless somebody has already returned from Pandaria and stated what's there and how to reach it(admittedly having some skill in charting) which is highly unlikely, nobody could reach it. And if by chance(storm or whatever) one would get there, we have the last issue: it is a warzone, probably the hugest warzone on Azeroth, at the moment. He wouldn't be able to come back, even if survived somehow in the cross-fire. And, almost surely, he/she wouldn't survive anyway.

For me, I want to rp Pandaria, its discovery, the events there. But it has to make some sense. Both my 85s are IC there, but they are soldiers, elites and representatives. All my other chars are not IC there, and won't get there anyway, until at least it will make sense(means, sure not shortly).

Ad usum ertwenpelleris and Paozii, mostly:
(I add this here, but perhaps one day a post will be needed. It's this elitist jerking spirit(and I'm kind here) of the roleplay community which causes, more than everything, rpers to flee to AD or, for those Alliance side, to get Horde side and stay there. Sorry, had to say it)

by **erwtenpeller** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:47 pm

Longknife/Decurius wrote:Ad usum ertwenpelleris and Paozii, mostly:
(I add this here, but perhaps one day a post will be needed. It's this elitist jerking spirit(and I'm kind here) of the roleplay community which causes, more than everything, rpers to flee to AD or, for those Alliance side, to get Horde side and stay there. Sorry, had to say it)

This may be a lack of smart on my side, but I don't think I understand what you're trying to say here.
But I see something that vaguely resembles my screen name in there so I thought i'd ask.

by **Tuomas/Decurius** Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:54 pm

erwtenpeller wrote:
Longknife/Decurius wrote:Ad usum ertwenpelleris and Paozii, mostly:
(I add this here, but perhaps one day a post will be needed. It's this elitist jerking spirit(and I'm kind here) of the roleplay community which causes, more than everything, rpers to flee to AD or, for those Alliance side, to get Horde side and stay there. Sorry, had to say it)
This may be a lack of smart on my side, but I don't think I understand what you're trying to say here.
But I see something that vaguely resembles my screen name in there so I thought i'd ask.

In short, means that it's perfectly understandable that many rpers, me included, leave DB as server or even just the Ally side to get to Horde, while Ally side the server is plagued by so-called elitist-highquality-superconsistent-all lore-knowers rpers. Was a moment of solidarity to you and many others, not a critic at all.

by **erwtenpeller** Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:04 pm

I don't think it's elitist as such, they just like to develop their stories by a different set of rules, one that could be defined as "more realistic".

I found that on the horde there where a lot more people playing to the set of rules I like to play with, mostly in the shape of the "Shatterskull Marauders." It's more rich and fantasy-full set of rules that allows for a much broader arrange of possibilities, and where we use the world we play in to fuel our imaginations and build our own stories on top of that world, rather then search for the ultimate immersive "land of warcraft" experience.

Finding people that have a vision more akin to my own was a very good decision for me. I get to play my stories with people that enjoy them and the other way around, and the people that I might have bothered with my strange characters before no longer have to be annoyed by them. Everyone wins!

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Ahem. Anyway. I think we where talking about Pandaria and how to get there?

by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:06 pm

Longknife, variety is the spice of RP.

I do have ... 10 characters on Alliance side DB, most of them with some backstory or character concept for RP.

Simoultaneously I have a big-mouthed orc on Horde side, for chilling and insulting Delidah on several of his/her characters IC on the same evening, as well as a Rogue, Sailor and Polar bear hunter character on AD that is as close to Lore Breaking as they get, but works in a random RP AD context.

By varying, and spending time in different communities, I get an overall good RP experience.

by **erwtenpeller** Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:08 pm

Dwyburn wrote:Simoultaneously I have a big-mouthed orc on Horde side, for chilling and insulting Delidah on several of his/her characters IC on the same evening.

\o/

by **Dréfurion** Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:09 pm

erwtenpeller wrote:I don't think it's elitist as such, they just like to develop their stories by a different set of rules, one that could be defined as "more realistic".

I found that on the horde there where a lot more people playing to the set of rules I like to play with, mostly in the shape of the "Shatterskull Marauders." It's more rich and fantasy-full set of rules that allows for a much broader arrange of possibilities, and where we use the world we play in to fuel our imaginations and build our own stories on top of that world, rather then search for the ultimate immersive "land of warcraft" experience.

Finding people that have a vision more akin to my own was a very good decision for me. I get to play my stories with people that enjoy them and the other way around, and the people that I might have bothered with my strange characters before no longer have to be annoyed by them. Everyone wins!

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Ahem. Anyway. I think we where talking about Pandaria and how to get there?

By giant catapult, of course.

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