[A] Trial: The necromancers "helpers" (preliminary date/time)

The removal of Tuomas hand was part of the revoked pardon he was given. Actually he wasn't given any new punishment at all... he just got his old ones back and thus the deal was never broken. Despite setting a maximum punishment in the deal his pardon is a separate matter that got affected by the sentience.

The removal of Delidahs hands (which actually didn't happen since she escaped) was since she was exempt from the deal due to not submitting peacefully.

Una's has already been explained by Melnerag.

If these statements which in essence would be given in the report doesn't satisfy you you're welcome to act IC on any other information your character supposedly has been given.

Punish your own how you like, but you have to understand that if you're going to cut off the hands of an Elf, you're doing a a punishment that will not only outlive you, but outlive your grandchildren's grandchildren.

Call it a "White Knight" if you must, but Raene was acting within a reasonable Elven mindset. Considering that Dath'remar can unleash a storm over Ashenvale betraying our "No Magic Rule" and get an exile, I think a little girl who's head over her heels in magical crap she doesn't understand would benefit more from a half a millenium imprisonment, than debilitating her for the rest of her 1000+ year life.

Call me foolish for not submitting to a barbaric Human practice, but Elves are a little more sophisticated than that. (I'd hope.)

If you wish to change the laws, or generally react to what happened tonight, seek out Braiden IC and take it up with him.

I think this discussion is over. Braiden is a harsh judge IC, not OOC. Whatever ideals your character has, aren't relevant in this case.

Corleth wrote:I hate how there is always an extremely vocal group of 'white-knights' (seemingly teleported from earth with a 2012 mindset to Azeroth) that speak out against Stormwind justice and law just because its their friend, or someone they RP with, being punished.

I completely agree. Tonight was a mess.

I feel like I have to explain my actions because of the OOC reactions I got. I might as well do that here.

How could she escape like that?
Delidah is a translocation specialist. Teleport, blink, portals... It is what she specialises in, and pretty much all she can do. The spell blink basically is Delidah.

What about the wards?
I tried to pay extremely close attention to how Delidah was warded from magic. She was left unwarded when they left the jail to travek to court; She could have escaped there, but did not.
Later she had a very specific spell cast on her hands to prevent her hands from casting magic. This was described to be, very specifically, as her hands alone. This would prevent her from creating a portal, maybe, but certainly won't stop her from blinking, something that comes as naturally to Delidah as walking.

Why did she escape?
She honestly wasn't planning to. But she was nervous. A sorceress like Delidah can be rendered unstable when under stress.
Then she got shot, which raised her stress levels even higher. I already gave warnings at this point that magic was building up inside Delidah; but no response was given. Any mage in the area could have cut her off at that point.
Then, the verdict. The removal of hands, however shocking, she could have dealt with. The big shocker was rehabilitation in the tower of stormwind.

Why is the tower of stormwind such a threat to her?
This is something that is very personal to her story, and I don't expect this to be widely known.
Delidah has studied under the tower of stormwind, under her former master; High Wizard Theodore Wellsworth. This is a fictional character of me and Thelos, that we have created just to play that role. This man is a pig, a gross, abusive monster that made Delidahs life very difficult during her time there. The fright of that pushed Delidah over the edge... In panic, she reached for fel magic, and used the unnatural influx of power to dissipate.

Now, I have not yet decided how to continue on Delidah. Until I have collected my thoughts, we will just have to deal with the fact that she is hiding somewhere she can't be scryed.

I of course, accept the ramifications of fleeing from court, and will act accordingly.

Lorainne wrote:your character has, aren't relevant in this case.

I'm merely reacting to the comment about "White Knight 2012 justice" whatevers. I'm defending my IC actions.

Copper shall throw rotten tomatoes on that barbaric Ogre Braiden next time she sees him! He shall not escape after whipping her to fill his own ego!
also, I hope I am not included in the white-knight section stated. I have no desire to be a white-knight, and Copper felt it was unfitting for someone as generally innocent as Delidah (and even more so, the fact that she's young) to be punished so harshly.
She loves to voice her opinion!

Senariul / Raene wrote:Punish your own how you like, but you have to understand that if you're going to cut off the hands of an Elf, you're doing a a punishment that will not only outlive you, but outlive your grandchildren's grandchildren.

Call it a "White Knight" if you must, but Raene was acting within a reasonable Elven mindset. Considering that Dath'remar can unleash a storm over Ashenvale betraying our "No Magic Rule" and get an exile, I think a little girl who's head over her heels in magical crap she doesn't understand would benefit more from a half a millenium imprisonment, than debilitating her for the rest of her 1000+ year life.

Call me foolish for not submitting to a barbaric Human practice, but Elves are a little more sophisticated than that. (I'd hope.)

It's a human court with human laws and human punishments for people that commit crimes in human lands - "you're doing a a punishment that will not only outlive you, but outlive your grandchildren's grandchildren" matters little, if at all; the personal still committed a crime in SW worthy of the punishment given. Elves should not be let off because they live a bit longer. The fact that a group gets up in every trial i've ever been to and starts a mini-riot because of stuff like this always confuses and annoys me.

Lorainne wrote:If you wish to change the laws, or generally react to what happened tonight, seek out Braiden IC and take it up with him.

Change the laws? That would be Omanos job... I don't write it, I just do the trials. I discussed limits and such with the ones getting the punishments before the trial even started so I don't see a grave issue there.

When the Three Hammers members defiled an Elven Relic, they were tried in an Elven court, and a punishment was decided alongside Dwarven representatives that helped deduce a suitable punishment that was fit for all sides.

Considering that the Humans are the de-facto leaders of this Alliance, I'd hope that they'd not wish to alienate their allies by decreeing whatever punishments on other races they demand.

If you wish to do so bring that up IC instead of being pissed off at the forums. Suggest it to the council or whatever and see what happens... make RP out of your characters frustration instead of letting it out OOC.

Sorry, I'll make it a little more clear. OOC, I appreciate EVERYTHING that has been done so far. The punishments, the hand chopping off, everything. Love it. Makes sense for a Warcraft setting, and I completely agree with it.

I'm speaking in IC terms though in my last post. Forgive me for wanting to defend my IC actions to spare the thought of being branded one of these "lollers" people are ranting about.

Ahh then I get it. Nevermind me then.

Why must it go ooc... honesty most of you wouldnt even let it go to court. Let alone have your chars be harmed in such a manner.

If you think the magistrate is bad ic, write angry letters ic or throw stuff at him. If you think they got off lightly ic then write angry letters ic or throw stuff at them. If you cant do that, do a helmy and take it into your own hands. And then you stand before court and let your hand be taken or your char killed.

If you think the justice system is crap, get involved ic and sort it out or put ic pressure on people to do this.

Stop the ooc!

[quote="Braiden"The removal of Delidahs hands (which actually didn't happen since she escaped) was since she was exempt from the deal due to not submitting peacefully.

If these statements which in essence would be given in the report doesn't satisfy you you're welcome to act IC on any other information your character supposedly has been given.[/quote]


Its likely once monny finds out the facts she will act on them her original punishment, was it one hand or two (mild curiosity) what surprises me thow is that there was an attempt assassination on her life.. she fled fearing for her life as anyone would, and she was given a death sentence.. this to me seems odd.. I would first would have put up notices saying if you return within x time then your original punishment will still stand.. the fact that there was an assassination attempt is a massive breach of law proceedings that would thus mean a retrial in private away from public eyes.. with a new judge again.. thow the original punishment was harsh (she did after all get beaten to a pulp) im sure that had there not been an attempt on her life.. she would not have fled.. threw-out her jail term she constantly said.. she would not run.. would not try escape.. (the guards should have picked up on this) as such a judge on character would be needed and thus determined that she only fled due to well as i already said .. fear for her own life... but meah once monny finds out ic she going do a LOT of research into this

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(ps.. if only monny was available to be called as witness *sigh*)

Mon, as usual you are speaking about things that you did not witness nor have the full story. Delidah did not flee from the attempted assassination, she only fled after the unveiling of her legal sentence.

yeah i have worked it out now i am re reading and going to reply acordingly...

ps i am well aware i was not there.. was not needed

Ok after reading everything.. and putting everything together... i thing delli put forth many good points.. many ques were missed.. errors made.. on the guards side and due to the attack.. hmm... so.. i dunno monny will just act how she will act we will see

Nobudy made an error. People made choices.

Oh and the IC report bit was directed to Omanos since he seemed very eager to have the proper IC information right away despite not being there... the public wouldnt have access to it obviously...

Lexgrad wrote:Why must it go ooc... honesty most of you wouldnt even let it go to court. Let alone have your chars be harmed in such a manner.

If you think the magistrate is bad ic, write angry letters ic or throw stuff at him. If you think they got off lightly ic then write angry letters ic or throw stuff at them. If you cant do that, do a helmy and take it into your own hands. And then you stand before court and let your hand be taken or your char killed.

If you think the justice system is crap, get involved ic and sort it out or put ic pressure on people to do this.

Stop the ooc!

QFT.

I will be writing an angry letter, Lord Mistmantle!

I thought the trial was amusing. What I did miss though was the part where braiden actually told who was guilty of what charge...

As in, who's guilty for killing the draenei? Or are they all three guilty of murder, or all three innocent?

That was missing.

I wanna know to!

from what it seems thow im only speculating as the draenie died in the bothced rescue attempt.. all parties involved would be responsible.. even thow it was the worgen that deliverd the blow

*shakes fist in anger*
If yah all would of listened!
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