The Villain Stormwind deserves

Helmfrid wrote:My advice here is you're looking for the wrong thing. One person or a 'villain' isn't what we need. We need a whole guild. Why would one person last the long run? They'd be roflstomped the moment they try anything. Now look at guilds like the Dark Sphere, Eyes of the Dark Realm, Vortex. They didn't last the long run, but they are along the lines of what we need. One person can't do shit with so many white knights about. A guild can.

Now I know Lex is going to butt in and say the Shroud. I personally think the Shroud aren't cut out for this. They're too obvious. It's been done to death by now and the Guild was founded as a Neutral Death Knight guild, so it's roots being in the Ebon Hold and Stormwind only made sense then, now that you're all going emo/angry Death Knight monster guild (Like every other Death Knight guild) being in those two places doesn't. Yet I still see it happen. If you want to be evil and obvious, prepare to face sacrifices in your roleplay. Like.. I'm talking never roleplaying with anyone who has the power to oppose/kill you :p Never going to a city or highly populated town. That sort of thing.

Plus, aren't the Chapter being a bit 'questionable' as of late? I'm also getting tired of being trying to be Voldemort because they think it's cool. Stop making your character with the intention of this, make them as normal people and let roleplay decide.

Personally I think the RP that "im wearing a hat and no tabard, u cant c me" completely and utterly, 100% SUCKS! Which is why we do not do it in the shroud as we think it is just an excuse to bubble your char in protection so they can do something interesting and get away with it. We are obviously DKs and We do our DK thing and anything less than staying true to that is bad RP. We are obvious yes, a guild cut in the image of Lexgrad is not going to be anything but obvious, Lex isnt there now tho and in line with the community meeting that ALL SW guilds were at we have darkened our purpose slightly and hit SW to create RP. IMO if all guilds got out of their bunker and RPed like this it wouldnt be a problem as there will be plenty of RP. This Villian thing tho is the community looking for something to roll over IMO. What ever happens we will be stuck with bad guys out numbered 10/1, Lighties who cant let the story develop so will "insure victory" very quickly before another party of good guys gets the kill and still no one will be interested in the bad guys winning 5 battles to be finally stopped at the 6th. Not to mention the lack of feeling towards the bad guys char development as the server rule seems to be that bad guys exist just to fill the heroes CV.

Personally I dont think SW deserves the death of my guild so do not expect us to be summoning vlad the unholy any time soon and being the Lighty fodder that so many of you hope for. I will promise you more RP and a IC hostility in some directions and 100% commitment to what we do and who we are. It is my hope that more guilds will do as we wished in the community meeting and come out of the trenches to fight.

How did the Dark Sphere not last the long run?

I mean, sure these days they're three-week ponies, when they feel like playing again, just Like TSS... but comparing them to EotDR and Vortex,(not saying those guilds are bad mind you i'm sure it was a blast for as long as it lasted, but in terms of what they have achieved) is like equalling The Grim reaper to the Grinch.

Helmfrid wrote:My advice here is you're looking for the wrong thing. One person or a 'villain' isn't what we need. We need a whole guild. Why would one person last the long run? They'd be roflstomped the moment they try anything. Now look at guilds like the Dark Sphere, Eyes of the Dark Realm, Vortex. They didn't last the long run, but they are along the lines of what we need. One person can't do shit with so many white knights about. A guild can.

Hoooooooooww didn't the Dark Sphere last in the long run?

We heard Amaryl, Pert. Calm down, boy.

I didn't get to amaryl, I jumped when I saw it. Sorry mom :<

There have been and are cultists, evil-doers, cultists, psychotic maniacs and technical murderers around, but the difficulty is often that they are metagamed or murdered the moment they are seen even the slightest.

I plead you all have patience; if you seek villains, look around. There will not be obvious ones, because obvious villains are not amusing. If you want a cultist, look for one instead of sitting on one spot and staring ahead in the darkness asking "where are they? Why aren't they with me?"

Note: If this sounds offensive, my apologies.

Or RP a villain yourselves.

The Doomsayers of the Orai have been around for about a year and even allowed EOTDR to use our base, yet we get no mention? How rude.

I agree though, as soon as anyone knows you are a bad guy, its time to either be metagamed to death or just leave.

My guilds focus is to remain completely under the radar, becuase god forbit we pop into focus. It will be a repeat of last time, getting the bar raided every other minute. I remember getting arrested by TLA and thrown in the regiments cells for three days, and when i finally got out and went to the bar, it was being raided and i was arrested again.

We are around, and we are putting things into motion, but i just feel like we are being completely overlooked at times. You all ask for bad guys, but really what you want is for exactly what was mentioned above, a little evil guy running around boasting about murdering people and being evil *pew pew*

If you TRULY wish to hunt those who are evil then roll an inquisitor, or try really, really hard to discover what the bad guys are actually up to. Dont sit back and expect us to step forwards and say "here i am, evil bad guy at your service" and then become cannon fodder for everyone to massacre.

I dont mean to come accross annoyed or somewhat bitchy, but the bad guys are there, if you will but try and discover them.

On a side note also, which has little to do with the above:

When we try to fish for information in disguise, generally dressed well and nobody could possibly know who we are, they take one look at our guild name and clam up, refusing to pass along information that they usually would have otherwise handed over to anyone for the asking.

Back on topic:

Being evil and being open about it is easy, you will get attacked by everyone on the game for it however, but on the flip side of the coin, why should an evil guild be dismissed just becuase they appear to be on the right side of the law.

.....I have just read through this and it seems like a bit of a rant, but i am not editing it.

Perhaps preventing the "good guys" from knowing your name, and not conforming to <Guild tags> would render it harder for them to hunt folks out?

Shakiri wrote:The Doomsayers of the Orai have been around for about a year and even allowed EOTDR to use our base, yet we get no mention? How rude.

Not really, it's not mandatory for people to have had an impression left on them by you, you can't force it.

Krogon Devilstep wrote:Perhaps preventing the "good guys" from knowing your name, and not conforming to would render it harder for them to hunt folks out?

Or actually being secretive (IC and OOC to an extent), a trait a lot of the 'new' cults that have been born in the wake of the Dark Sphere and Hand of Nightmares seem to lack.

Kids these days.

Krogon Devilstep wrote:Perhaps preventing the "good guys" from knowing your name, and not conforming to would render it harder for them to hunt folks out?

This.

There's no reason a cult needs its own guild. 9 times out of 10, non-guild organizations with their own chat channels work much better than an actual new guild.

Guild vs Organization. There are pros and cons for both. From what I know from experience and have heard from others, Organizations have a harder time recruiting than Guilds. Also, ooc and ic betrayal in organizations is much more likely than it is in guilds.

Firstly: Thanks to those that stuck up for me!

Secondly: Helmfrid, yes I did do that but It wasn't intended on going that way, I was there ICly looking for a certain person, I didn't go anything like you said I was, yes I did fight a few people but one of them started it, not me.

Thirdly: I believe (not certain) that Rufias wanted to be the villain which no one has actually been talking about in the last few pages of this thread.

Why dont you all just try, and let the Quality out-shine all others?

And if you all fail, well, then clearly nobody is up to the task.

Krogon speaks words of wisdom.

Helmfrid wrote:Have any of you met Darquenesse in character yet? He came into the Dreadhowl Den and said "Hey I use Shadow Magic, *pew pew* Is it illegal to kill people because you want your name known? *pew pew* Oh, well I've just killed three people for no reason. Seeya!!!" *runs off* --- How is this the 'Villain Stormwind needs'?

I advise you two to get your facts straight before you jump on band wagons. Sully/Quin

I'm defending "evil" gnomes in general, I already know Fimbles is a smegwit.
Also I am not with you folk when it comes to all the cult stuff, I know you lighties have nothing else to fight but it has been done a million times I too would just prefer a generic character growing into an evil role.