Re: Initiative: Community Mass.

[Lexgrad]

Has he not! Thelos all the way then.

[Seranita]

i vote thelos!!

[Lexgrad]

Also is there a transcript. I want to read Lexy telling Os to act as a priest again!

[Osmand]

"The light is good. Demons are hurt by light. This makes them evil"

The argument was that no matter the intention of the user when he or she uses power derived from faith in the Light upon demons or undead this power causes great pain to said demon or undead. Therefore the Light itself must despise and loathe all demons and undead.

The Light can be used to help evil men if they believe they are doing right because in essence those evil men are not bad, they are just misguided on the wrong path. However the same cannot be said for the naturally evil demons and undead which cannot be saved or put on the right path.

[Samian/Bismack]

I am bummed I missed this. I tried hard honestly! I hope there'll be more chapter masses.

Spoiler:

[Drustai]

"The light is good. Demons are hurt by light. This makes them evil"

The argument was that no matter the intention of the user when he or she uses power derived from faith in the Light upon demons or undead this power causes great pain to said demon or undead. Therefore the Light itself must despise and loathe all demons and undead.

The Light can be used to help evil men if they believe they are doing right because in essence those evil men are not bad, they are just misguided on the wrong path. However the same cannot be said for the naturally evil demons and undead which cannot be saved or put on the right path.

In that case, Dru wouldn't have agreed fully. Naturally evil yes, irredeemable no. <.< I even remember Petrine praying for my soul when I was facing my trial punishment. /nod

[Thelos]

"The light is good. Demons are hurt by light. This makes them evil"

The argument was that no matter the intention of the user when he or she uses power derived from faith in the Light upon demons or undead this power causes great pain to said demon or undead. Therefore the Light itself must despise and loathe all demons and undead.

The Light can be used to help evil men if they believe they are doing right because in essence those evil men are not bad, they are just misguided on the wrong path. However the same cannot be said for the naturally evil demons and undead which cannot be saved or put on the right path.

Thelos agrees with this also and as in fact used a variation of this argument in the past.

I've decided to take the liberty to myself to claim next Friday. I would like to appreciate the opportunity to advertise the upcoming pilgrimage. That subject matter also gives me a good opportunity to speak on the topic of death and the afterlife, something we have yet to touch upon.

[Drustai]

Ooh. Death and the afterlife is a good subject. Definitely interested in that one.

Even if Dru will probably be very much against Thelos' beliefs on the matter. <.<

[Thelos]

You do realise I will be claiming that Thelos' view is the standard for Draenei? I've been doing so in the past with very little resistance, though you are always of course free to object...

[Drustai]

I totally see Thelos' view as the standard. Even Dru believes in it... she just doesn't -like- it. She prefers her identity tyvm.

[Velspeth]

That's it then, Thelos will deliver next Friday's Mass, if nobody else objects? I'll calendar it.

Sorry for not having made Osmand's Mass, afk stuff arose.

Also, I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to making this a continued and successful weekly event. This pleases me greatly.

Corleth, I'll ask for someone else to follow Thelos' mass and then perhaps you can deliver one at the beginning of March?

[Lexgrad]

"The light is good. Demons are hurt by light. This makes them evil"

The argument was that no matter the intention of the user when he or she uses power derived from faith in the Light upon demons or undead this power causes great pain to said demon or undead. Therefore the Light itself must despise and loathe all demons and undead.

The Light can be used to help evil men if they believe they are doing right because in essence those evil men are not bad, they are just misguided on the wrong path. However the same cannot be said for the naturally evil demons and undead which cannot be saved or put on the right path.

In that case, Dru wouldn't have agreed fully. Naturally evil yes, irredeemable no. <.< I even remember Petrine praying for my soul when I was facing my trial punishment. /nod

DW Dru, I made a rebutle in the name of all deadies!

[corleth]

"The light is good. Demons are hurt by light. This makes them evil"

The argument was that no matter the intention of the user when he or she uses power derived from faith in the Light upon demons or undead this power causes great pain to said demon or undead. Therefore the Light itself must despise and loathe all demons and undead.

The Light can be used to help evil men if they believe they are doing right because in essence those evil men are not bad, they are just misguided on the wrong path. However the same cannot be said for the naturally evil demons and undead which cannot be saved or put on the right path.

In that case, Dru wouldn't have agreed fully. Naturally evil yes, irredeemable no. <.< I even remember Petrine praying for my soul when I was facing my trial punishment. /nod

DW Dru, I made a rebutle in the name of all deadies!

No you didn't. You just used ad hominem and some off-topic vitriol! Lexgrad must learn to listen to what was actually being said.

And that'd be fine, Velspeth.

[Drustai]

"The light is good. Demons are hurt by light. This makes them evil"

The argument was that no matter the intention of the user when he or she uses power derived from faith in the Light upon demons or undead this power causes great pain to said demon or undead. Therefore the Light itself must despise and loathe all demons and undead.

The Light can be used to help evil men if they believe they are doing right because in essence those evil men are not bad, they are just misguided on the wrong path. However the same cannot be said for the naturally evil demons and undead which cannot be saved or put on the right path.

In that case, Dru wouldn't have agreed fully. Naturally evil yes, irredeemable no. <.< I even remember Petrine praying for my soul when I was facing my trial punishment. /nod

DW Dru, I made a rebutle in the name of all deadies!

Lexgrad denied the 'naturally evil' part.

[Lexgrad]

"The light is good. Demons are hurt by light. This makes them evil"

The argument was that no matter the intention of the user when he or she uses power derived from faith in the Light upon demons or undead this power causes great pain to said demon or undead. Therefore the Light itself must despise and loathe all demons and undead.

The Light can be used to help evil men if they believe they are doing right because in essence those evil men are not bad, they are just misguided on the wrong path. However the same cannot be said for the naturally evil demons and undead which cannot be saved or put on the right path.

In that case, Dru wouldn't have agreed fully. Naturally evil yes, irredeemable no. <.< I even remember Petrine praying for my soul when I was facing my trial punishment. /nod

DW Dru, I made a rebutle in the name of all deadies!

Lexgrad denied the 'naturally evil' part.

Ish, Lexy made some examples of how the light can harm good people but that does not mean good people are evil before he gave into the rage

In summery Lexy's views were thus...

1 - Os, act like a priest and know your place.

2 - The chapter spread their hatred when they were given a chance to spread something of worth. "you could have spread the word of the light, you failed!"

3 - The only part of the rant dedicated to a reasoned response to the chapters argument. A man can drown in holy water and a city burnt with holy fire, this does not make the drowned man or the city as enemies of the light.

4 - In essance this bit of the arguent was Lexgrad was a btter paladin than anyone of the chapter and they know little of the light and lexy is better than them. (IKR The hypocrisy and childishness is intended )

5 - Come on Knights, we are leaving *nooooo random space goat, dont ruin our flounce!*

Whether DKs are naturally evil or not is not ground Lexy wanted to get into Dru, as it is a big theme of the Shroud and IC would harm him greatly if logic bent him over that argument.

[Osmand]

"The light is good. Demons are hurt by light. This makes them evil"

The argument was that no matter the intention of the user when he or she uses power derived from faith in the Light upon demons or undead this power causes great pain to said demon or undead. Therefore the Light itself must despise and loathe all demons and undead.

The Light can be used to help evil men if they believe they are doing right because in essence those evil men are not bad, they are just misguided on the wrong path. However the same cannot be said for the naturally evil demons and undead which cannot be saved or put on the right path.

In that case, Dru wouldn't have agreed fully. Naturally evil yes, irredeemable no. <.< I even remember Petrine praying for my soul when I was facing my trial punishment. /nod

DW Dru, I made a rebutle in the name of all deadies!

Lexgrad denied the 'naturally evil' part.

Ish, Lexy made some examples of how the light can harm good people but that does not mean good people are evil before he gave into the rage

In summery Lexy's views were thus...

1 - Os, act like a priest and know your place.

2 - The chapter spread their hatred when they were given a chance to spread something of worth. "you could have spread the word of the light, you failed!"

3 - The only part of the rant dedicated to a reasoned response to the chapters argument. A man can drown in holy water and a city burnt with holy fire, this does not make the drowned man or the city as enemies of the light.

4 - In essance this bit of the arguent was Lexgrad was a btter paladin than anyone of the chapter and they know little of the light and lexy is better than them. (IKR The hypocrisy and childishness is intended )

5 - Come on Knights, we are leaving *nooooo random space goat, dont ruin our flounce!*

Whether DKs are naturally evil or not is not ground Lexy wanted to get into Dru, as it is a big theme of the Shroud and IC would harm him greatly if logic bent him over that argument.

1- Osmand was acting like a priest, he was preaching on the dangers of Shadow and demons. In his opinion a subject all should be aware of.

2- Osmand spread the word of the Light. Ioanna's theorum was written when she was Abbess as abbess he word is true and the word of the Light itself.

3- And this supports Osmand's argument. A man can do anything with the holy light, he can even do great evil if he thinks it is right. However no matter his intention, demons and undead will always be harmed by the Holy Light. So therefore no matter the believers intentions...the Light as an entity loathes and hates demons and undead.

4-Lexgrad is a smelly death knight and will burn for his sins. -nod-

5- Even the Space goats dislike you.

[Lexgrad]

Your blessing was nice

[Osmand]

Your blessing was nice

Should have thrown the whole bowl.

[Lexgrad]

[Drustai]

T'is tonight.

[Lexgrad]

Thelos mass rite?

[Drustai]

Yes.

[Thelos]

Thelos will be speaking on Death, Shadow, and the Afterlife. You dont want to miss it!

[Seranita]

*sniffs*. I.. I a-am g-gonna miss it. I will be there on an alt

[erwtenpeller]

So you mean to say Monrena is going to miss it. you, the player, will attend.

As will I, but I have yet to decide on which character.

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