Tythalos' death on 14.12 CoL

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Sanara was choking HIM, aka KILLING him or atleast what a char would think to be happening.
Pulling his guns in defense wouldn't mean he's KILLING her, you can shoot without kill, you cannot choke endlessly without kill..


You ... are ... incredibly stupid, quit trying to make what you did look logical, you're making it worse xD

Edit: is it really THAT far fetched to think a moment and say "Hey I'd kill his char without permission" and have your char back off? Could have slammed his head down, cause major harm ... anything but no you HAD to go for a kill. Could have left an opening for it to be stopped, something reasonable. It matters little how he accepted it, which is *tips hat* something to be respected. It's how you did it, with no consideration of a fellow player what makes you look like the prick you are.

Sanara wrote:she was prepared to face the charges of assault for her actions

Then why didn't she? No matter which realm you are in, if you kill someone without being provoked you'd be hung, stoned, beheaded or burned to death. Yet next I hear is you escape from prison somehow.

Sharyssa/Adenah wrote:Sanara was choking HIM, aka KILLING him or atleast what a char would think to be happening.

An issue that was in fact adressed IC.

Tythalos wrote:

Sanara wrote:she was prepared to face the charges of assault for her actions

Then why didn't she?

She chose to leave when it became clear to her that there wouldn't be any kind of fair trial. Again, being Chaotic Good, "Screw your laws, I did the right thing!"

I have to fully agree with Shary here.. This is beginning to be more than laughable and sad.. And being chaotic good doesn't quite suit a draenei at all, you should just face it, Sanara and give up. Stop making a fool out of yourself.

Sanara wrote:Sanara wasn't going to kill him. Then he tried to kill her, and died for trying.

With that sentence half of the population of our rp would always have to be killed by your logic, not caring wether or not a character wants to die. There are many fights going on, many attempts to kill others -constantly- yet nobody pulled the move you did today to not even give some form of common sense.

As an aside, are you people seriously staying up at this hour just to bully me? Because I've got to stay up until at least six-thirty to let the dogs out for their morning walk before I go to bed, what's your excuse?

Sanara wrote:

Sharyssa/Adenah wrote:Sanara was choking HIM, aka KILLING him or atleast what a char would think to be happening.

An issue that was in fact adressed IC.

Tythalos wrote:

Sanara wrote:she was prepared to face the charges of assault for her actions

Then why didn't she?

She chose to leave when it became clear to her that there wouldn't be any kind of fair trial. Again, being Chaotic Good, "Screw your laws, I did the right thing!"

And you see that is fair? What if I had snook up to Sanara during that meeting and shot her in the back of the head without an "attempt" as his flintlock was too close to even consider missing? Then I just decided to lolescape from jail and expect it to all blow over? Then times that by a thousand if I was a Draenei. - And you say my roleplay is bad?

Let's not reply to this, I have said my verdict. We found Sanara and she is now dead to all who wish her to be. This is to tie up loose ends, cease this derailing and so I can happily wait until you leave this game. - On a final note your point in saying I was going to scrap tythalos anyway is void, you didn't know that at the time and you didn't know how, when or why I was doing this.

Edit - I'm staying up tonight to change my roleplay plans for Tythalos, create his replacement early, create his backstory and character and stuff like that. Thanks.

Oh please I'd not let my sleep for you, you're just unlucky I'm always up late and am very amused in showing you that all your comments make no sense and you're just failing over and over again.

I still can't understand how it aint gotten into your thick skull you could have done something not too character breaking without having to kill Tythalos, what bothers -me- is that you HAD to go for a kill, it HAD to be done.
And seeing from your previous gloat how a chapterian finally died I think I am rather correct in thinking that was your goal and you are just looking for excuses for it. Trying to create something about how you killed a chapterian IC to be the-oh-allmighty-sanara?


Aye think it's good to leave it now, put up a rumour that Sanara is found and killed, spread the word *nod*

ok please alow me to say this all parties involved in this well long whinded bitch slap session please step back Nothing has been resolved in this long whinded fight

please all step back take a good nights sleep and come back with fresh heds to discus this properly.. all this trolling and name calling is getting you all no where things have goten messy and out of hand! come back tomorow fresh heds and discus things rarther than bulying trolling and harasing all relax have a cup o tea and chill

please...

One last response to what we're doing up.. Personally i am staying up to draw and do abit of rp.

Could we please split off the last 4 pages of this before half the thread deals with this matter rather than the CoL?

I seem to have missed drama, but...considering those involved, I'm not even sure I'm disappointed I missed the chance to watch it with popcorn.

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Now time for a verdict. Please mind that I am a FORUM MODERATOR, I am -not- a Game Moderator, not Role-play police and not a Judge. So all I say has ONLY bearing on what I read in this thread.

This thread may continue, as long as discussion is free of insults from ALL sides. I am locking it at first sign of trouble.

To help out bit:

Sharyssa, you have started the actual 'flame' and continued baiting. Can you please take your tone down if you intend to continue posting?

Tythalos, you've began with actual 'insulting' and continued from there. Can you please mind what you write if you intend to continue?

Seiken, you came in, dropped an insult and left the topic.

Ave, you did a lot to help escalate the thing so please mind what and how you write in the follow-up.

Sanara, Lex, Tythalos. Ave - you all in the end rose to baiting and started a nice insult-flinging flame war. Please cool down if you intend to continue this topic.

Right time to put in my fifteen cents, on both the RP actions that happened, and the rather mean language used in this thread by some.

Lets start with the manner of Tythalos' death as an example.

First and Foremost, I believe it is common courtesy for a Person to, OOCly ask for permission to Pre-meditately end someone's Life, but it is Not Required. RP must flow and in an heated RP moment, I believe its fair to just "Roll" with it, so to speak and not halt everything for 20 minute conversation, and just let the opposing player react to emotes. I think that's fair and fitting.

However, Regardless of the situation, regardless of the possible escapes, regardless of the complete illogical manner of the Killing move, Regardless of ignoring of emote spam from others;

It is Never Okay to Remove the choice from the person you're attacking. That is simply God-emoting/Power-emoting/whatever you want to call it. Its the first lesson we teach everyone about conflict RP. Let the other person react. (and hopefully in a realistic manner) Let him have the choice, since that's what RP is about making taking interesting choices. but you need to have the option to actually make it.

Hence: "X easily Snaps Y's Neck" Is always A bad emote. and this was what i'd classify as "Bad RP". Since there is absolutely no reason to not write: "X then Attempts to Snap Y's Neck" or whatever variation you wish to put on it.

Removing Choice is Unequivocally Wrong.

However making a choice, doing an action will be responded with, as we like to say Consequences.

Tythalus Died in this instance, which is a fair choice that Tyt has made himself. he wasn't forced out of it, by Sanara's Poor RP. He could have ignored it, he could have said fuck this, he could have emoted "doesn't respond to god-emoting" whatever. Tyth made the choice to die.

And Sanara Made the choice to Kill. Naturally that will spawn farseeing reactions on the character. Murder is murder and you cannot brush it off in front of everyone. and live the quiet live as if nothing happened. That just doesn't happen period.

However Sanara still has the right to refuse to die. since everyone can refuse their character to be killed, since we're talking about choice. I do not know the circumstances of His escape however, so I will not say that it was wrong/bad/poor. Though I do hope you didn't simply walk out, when there were no IC guards. Especially, since Braiden has been rather Inventive of in figuring out fun and entertaining and far-going punishments that do not result in death.

Now, simply ignoring him, and saying he's dead to me in RP, is to me, just silly. you could corner him in RP and actually kill him.. or whatever.. but hey, frustrations.

However if he has escaped, Sanara will be a fugitive, so we have Assault, Murder, and escaping on her rap sheet...There is no way that simply being imprisoned in Exodar is a fair punishment, Sanara knows this, but he doesn't want death, so a compromise between those two could easily be forged.

But then...

Seriously, what is with all the OOC Insults?

That is seriously Pathetic. Calling People Retards, Toshpots and whatnot Shouldn't be done, and you should all be Ashamed of Yourselves that have engaged in such behavior. IC shouldn't cross over to OOC people but I guess it shows who we actually are.

Whilst it would be fascinating to see how many times I can write "dick" or "fuck" into different insults (I'm quite good at it) I'll refrain.

All of this boils down to the mere fact that the involved people should reach some kind of conclusion to this kind of RP. No doubt the closed emote of snapping someone's neck is out of the ordinary, but since Tythalos went along with it at the time, I suppose it's just the way things are. Granted if Sanara did that to any other character, things would most likely not end the same way.

Then we come to the nub of it, I suppose, namely what will follow. And this is where the main disagreement is, I suppose. Sanara doesn't want his character to be killed, whilst others find it a fitting judgement. Well, either way, you won't reach a conclusion by throwing vaguely creative harsh words around. Either you'll have to negotiate a punishment (that I suppose wouldn't necessarily be death, even if that is the "correct IC thing to do") or a somewhat worse option is that people do their own thing. Which means that Sanara will likely bork around in Exodar and some other guilds will consider her dead and dealt with.

I mean, I have no perfect solution, but things need to be put in a bit of perspective. Either you are open to IC consequences of this murder, or you're not. The former requires compromise and agreement on both parts, the latter will result in no doubt strange things.

I think the last three posts have summed things up nicley and agree whole heartedly with them..
there are options for a resolution that do not result in death for sanara but from what i understand the "victaim" chapter guy prity much wanted eye for an eye even thow he alowed his toon to die..
I so sometimes wonder if it was a deliberate ploy to tarnish but meah shit hapend sanara was deeply upset and angerd by all the hate thrown at him last night and thow yes his temper somtimes get the better of him (sorry sanara) last night you did all very heavily lay into him wather for what reason you did all act like hyinas fighting over a kill...

go back to the negotiating table and organise a proper compramise for the good of poor monrenas guild I want this settled

Xenophobia. Fear of strangers. Its a proper word, ya'll.

Just let her undergoe a proper trial, like Drustai did.

The only sensible course of action, as I've said before, is for Sanara to face and be judged for her crime.

If she refuses that, she can escape and go into hiding, but the idea that she can still remain as a leader of a peaceful Draenei commune, or a normal citizen within Draenei society is just laughable, and in my opinion, a slap in the face to all those who are rping in Ere Argus.

Also, 'xeno' being an indictment of bad RP, tons of stupid.

You know, you usually have to watch reality TV to see whiny bitching like this.... Anyway, moving on

Corleth wrote: the idea that she can still remain as a leader of a peaceful Draenei commune, or a normal citizen within Draenei society is just laughable, and in my opinion, a slap in the face to all those who are rping in Ere Argus.

Unless you have a character in Ere Argus I don't think you should be trying to decide their matters for them.

As far as I'm aware to only thing Sanara did wrong was not asking if Tythalos could be killed and not including the word attempt and I agree with Amaryl, get Sanara on trial and decide punishment after IC'ly, not through OOC rants.

Delidah / Scuzy wrote:Just let her undergoe a proper trial, like Drustai did.

It has been discussed and the player does not want such a thing.

Amaryl wrote:Especially, since Braiden has been rather Inventive of in figuring out fun and entertaining and far-going punishments that do not result in death.

Thank you. Tough I directed the matter to Omanos to not completely break character by agreeing to a deal were the character ends up in Exodar prison rather then being judged by Stormwind law.

That being said the whole situation is riddiculus on an OOC level in so many ways, it has been established that we can push things on Sanara just as much as said emote could have been worked around by not accepting it if Tythalos wanted to have his character alive. Discussion in this matter leads nowere, in fact it's not even a discussion... it's more of a constant repeating of the same words mixed with insults and accusations.

So... Because the player didn't want a trial, his character won't be in one?

So I'll just start manslaughter all of Stormwind and say "Nah, don't feel like a trial IC." and be free? Sounds cool.


Her death is tbh the only logical solution. But since he, as I said, felt it was his choice to force another's death, but not feeling to pay that back, the punishment doesn't have to be death.

But a punishment of -sorts-. That's pretty much proper here, and why he would deny -that-. Is beyond me.

It's bloody character progress to take consiquences afterall.

Braiden wrote:

Delidah / Scuzy wrote:Just let her undergoe a proper trial, like Drustai did.

It has been discussed and the player does not want such a thing.

More specifically the idea of such a trial was what drove Sanara - the character - to attempt escape, knowing that "Stormwind law" is basically a sham as far as she's concerned.

Indeed, from the first attack to finally going back to Exodar, I've gone with what Sanara would be doing from an IC point of view. I never stopped to try and tweak the situation OOCly until much later because, as I have said before, at the time I did not know there even was a problem. I expected the player to object to being killed and would have immediately changed the outcome myself if asked. The "choice" made was the reaction made by the character Sanara at having guns put to her head.

Sanara walked out of Stormwind without as much as a scratch (possibly a bruised cheek, but I am unclear exactly on how the brief brawl in the CC cells went) simply through following the IC interactions and very rules laid out by the people I RPed with on the way. As far as I'm concerned, I could declare diplomatic immunity and there wouldn't be anything any Human could do about it except file a complaint, but since I'm so selfish and whatnot I decided to try reaching for a compromise. Sure taught me not to try and reach civilized agreements.