Tythalos' death on 14.12 CoL

Shaman's do not have Magic. They just integrate well with the elements around them. If the floor below you is stone, the stone can bend to your will... Provided you appease the stone of course.

learn2lore.

Then again, you've always come across as a god-emoter to me ever since we first met, so I'm not surprised you escaped out of pure lorelol. Forgive me my bile, I just don't like you OOCly, or ICly.

Love, Ishaa.

Edit: I believe that a Shaman, in a stone cell, underneath the Earth still has every ability to escape. As much as I despise him, I feel his 'explanation' is correct. Next time, use some magic to hold them in place. Perhaps ask the one Mage of her own race she managed to irk beyond reason to help, I'm sure Ishaa would gladly oblige.

Sanara wrote:

He used the word "Xeno" IC. In the WarCraft universe. Soyeah.

What's the problem with using the word Xeno? I think this is really the most important thing to take from this thread. We all know god emoting is wrong. But until today I had no idea using a word that Sanara was too poorly educated to understand made you a poor RPer.


Overall this is worse than the time Sanara accused me of being anti-semitic (followed by banning me from /Kalimdor) for daring to defend someone whom he was verbally abusing for daring to express an opinion regarding an RP event.

I'd laugh, but it's just too pathetic.

As far as Tarv and I are concerned Sanara died an undignified and humiliating death, our Draenei characters in particular will react with dissociation and shame.

Perhaps I'll see you in TOR? Early access isn't proving to be all that great so far.

Senariul wrote:Shaman's do not have Magic. They just integrate well with the elements around them. If the floor below you is stone, the stone can bend to your will... Provided you appease the stone of course.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Divine

http://www.wowpedia.org/Shamanism_and_nature_worship

Thrall: Isn't magic magic?
Grom: Yes and no. Sometimes the effect is the same. For instance, if a shaman was to summon lightning to strike his foes, they would be burned to death. If a warlock was to summon hell's flames against an enemy, they would be burned to death.
Thrall: So magic is magic.
Grom: But lightning is a natural phenomenon. You call it by requesting it. With hell's fire, you make a bargain. It costs a little of yourself.

- Lord of the Clans.

Shaman "magic" is not Magic as in the Arcane/Fel, but it's still a "form of magic" given its effects.

What's the problem with using the word Xeno? I think this is really the most important thing to take from this thread.

In the context it was used as a Warhammer 40k reference IC.

That the community is even trying to find excuses for the whole IC matter and disregards OOC what horrible and poor roleplay has been given by a "leading" figure that is supposed to stand as some form of "example" just makes me cringe and ruins alot of this entire server's credibility for me.

I'm not shunning more rp to be had, I'm just like Nygarth admiring Tythalos going with the emote because of some form of realism. But the char being protected by "lol-ish" means and desperate attempts to save it's curvy butt are too far for me. -Because- of how Sanara displayed himself with horrible attitude and -because- of how he didn't respect another person and general common rules for roleplay ... he'd not deserve any better treatment then the one he displayed himself.

And now I'm out of here. CBA

By the way Sanara you are in -no- position to claim others to be poor roleplayers after what we are discussing here

Right. Just as asking "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" would be an IC reference to Plato and Juvenal? Or saying carte blanche would be an IC reference to the French? Or saying "Esarus thar no'Darador" would be a reference to the OOC contradictory evidence regarding the 'Common tongue'?

Geneviève wrote:Right. Just as asking "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" would be an IC reference to Plato and Juvenal?

I don't know what that would be an IC reference to as I don't study ancient history anymore, but I'd still prefer not to use latin in WoW since the WarCraft II Church building has the only spoken latin in the entire franchise. Mind, English loan words from latin (such as et cetera) would be fine since our characters are not actually speaking English, they speak Common and it's translated into contemporary English for our benefit.

Xenos is actually loaned from Greek but that's neither here nor there. Regardless, it is an English word and choosing to attribute it as a reference to 40k speaks more to your ignorance than his.

If that's what you like to believe, I will just let you go on holding a childish grudge 'cause I'm not going to change your mind with reason.

As you said, it is translated to english for us to understand, but why shouldn't there be a common word for Xeno?

Why was this made into a seperate thread and not just deleted? I want nothing to do with that god emoting, self righteous bad roleplayer in all honesty. I can't even be bothered to read the rest of this now, why are you even speaking here Sanara? It should be for the community to discuss the outcome not for you to sit here and bother people. The fact is it proves how absolutely mental his excuse is as Tythalos said (Low) Xeno filth.. from the other side of the gathering area to Sanara. Yet he claims this was his reason for killing him. He tries to twist it and say he tried to kill her, yet all he did was draw his weapons and tell her to release him (Which anyone there would have done if they where in that position.) You're lucky I was only a Witch Hunter and not say an Inquisitor or High Inquisitor, you would have forced the Chapter to march the streets of Stormwind and take all Draenei civilians by force. Seeing as you know.. you where meant to be a Matriarch.

Until today I was willing to let bygones be bygones, mostly for Melnorag's sake.

My mind is still open to reason, but you're not trying to reason with anyone. You've asserted that 'Xenos' was a reference to 40k with no argument or evidence to back up your assertion.

You've moved from assertion to assertion without stopping for breath. Tythalos is a bad RPer - > Because he used the word Xenos -> He was referring to 40k because he's a bad RPer -> Tythalos is a bad RPer.

Marvellous circular logic. All you need to do now is look back over the thread and ignore or discredit without just cause anyone who disagrees with you, ideally with a dash of ad hominems to lubricate your descent, and you'll demonstrate a classic case of confirmational bias.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/xeno-?q=Xeno

It seems that Xeno does not exist as an official word in the english language, but could very well be justifiably used as slang . We already have words as aquamancy, necromancy, technocracy of a clear foreign origin. So using 'xeno' is very well akin to callied all necromancers 'necro' for short, which is conceivable.

It is however somewhat of a chapter-rule not to use the word in IC-situations, but that all is besides the point.

I know, and you whispered me about it afterward. It was silly to say it in such a public meeting yet he didn't exactly yell it across the gathering area and is that really a viable excuse on Sanara's behalf to justify claiming my roleplay is bad on such a public forum for all to see? No.

Does snapping his neck for expressing his opinion during an event created just for that? No.

Should Sanara have escaped imprisonment so easily after just have committed a crime such as that so publicly? No.

Is Sanara being reasonable in his OOC "cooperation" in this matter? No, clearly stated he regards his characters life higher than mine, he'll do what he wants, he doesn't care and we are all asshats.

I'm not sure why we are even giving this person the option of escaping. He power/godemoted against tythalos and his way out of prison. He is making OOC demands when he is the one in the wrong for some reason and as this revolves around myself and him, I want this over this. I proposed we found Sanara hiding in Redridge, beat her and threw her on the pyre. Tie up loose ends and work on roleplaying out the healing process between the Alliance and Draenei.

Sanara killed Tythalos because he pulled guns.

I think your RP is shit because you try to justify using the word "Xeno" IC.

Two separate points.

Tythalos wrote:I proposed we found Sanara hiding in Redridge, beat her and threw her on the pyre.

I propose Sanara kills everyone in the Chapter with ease.

Funny thing is, my proposal is actually the less childish and more realistic of the two.

Get over yourself.

Sanara wrote:Sanara killed Tythalos because he pulled guns.

I think your RP is shit because you try to justify using the word "Xeno" IC.

Two separate points.

It's alright, you may think my roleplay is shit but point me to a person who thinks yours is good. Please.

Learn how Draenei act before you make a Draenei guild and become a stain on the server, lore and draenei roleplayers. I hear your idea of "good" roleplay is erping with other female Draenei. I've heard Ere Argus being called a brothel many times now. Thanks ^^

Sanara wrote:Sanara killed Tythalos because he pulled guns.

I think your RP is shit because you try to justify using the word "Xeno" IC.

Two separate points.

If you have nothing better to say, please don't say anything. You only make the community view you as lesser and lesser everytime you say things like that.
Don't ever comment on other's "shit RP" after what you've did and done now. So again, if you have nothing constructive at all to say (which to be honest, you haven't had in any post so far), don't say anything.

It's a wee bit annoying by now.
The point's people have made stands.
You shoulve' attempted the emote, or just allowed a possible option of survival within your emote. And if you intend to take a life, toss 'em a short whisper first asking for permission. It's really not that hard, it's really not that much asked for. It's common decency, and I'd be damned if any human lacks that within themselves.

And what's such a big deal with taking a fair punishment through trial? You -are not- high and mighty here, you're a mere draenei, not Velen. You commited a murder, atleast have a trial and see the outcome before storming off and justifying stuff OOCly.

Consiquences comes with actions, and that exists very well in RP too. Don't forget that.

I dont think that makes sence either, I like the RP angle of Draenei/human trouble due to the Dru/Tyth thing. And the split of opinion over whether a murdered witch hunter is a crime or justice. I would urge everyone to forget the ooc stuff and the nature of the murder and get on with the RP. As for Sanara, just let her go to the exodar and be exiled from human lands under pain of death IC job done and all with RP.

Sanara wrote:Sanara killed Tythalos because he pulled guns.

Because Sanara was choking/killing him you seem to be very happy trying to ignore the fact of self-defense against your attack to use it as dubious justification to try and look less like a total moron yourself.
As I said before, if you force a death like that so easily in rp because a person defending himself (also merely using the guns as a form of persuator to "get off me") then alot more char's would continuously be killed because "we can" or "we should" ...

I call bullshit, and fyi Sanara it's clear 80% of the people are -not- having your back in this, it's over, you're not right, you're wrong.

Alright this is becoming pointless.

Lets take it all IC.

In Stormwind the trust towards the Draenei would go on a low scale after this.
Many Loyalist or Sell swords will probably go and try to hunt down "THIS" in the name of their King/Gold.

Closing the topic due to the outburst of new flaming. Please PM some moderator higher-up than me if you think I made the wrong call.