Re: The Ebon Road, a guide to RPing a Death Knight

by **Drustai** Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:22 pm

Lexgrad wrote:Drustai Covers her undeath very well yet I would have thought most would know what she was.

The Smell alone should tip the hand, magically a DK is a magical being, the magial aura is very obvious to those who can sense it.

Dru does not smell too bad, she died in Northrend so the cold preserved her very well before she was raised. What little smell she does emit she hides it with perfume.

Of course, magically she's very obvious.

by **Lexgrad** Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:35 pm

Bet her hands smell now Razz

by **Seranita** Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:51 pm

He he.

by **Zouyo** Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:07 am

Out of sheer RP curiosity....if you're DK was say...a paladin in life, and still tried to hold onto those tenents as a Death Knight to help cope...would they possibly at a stretch be able to use the Light, even though it would probably cause them immense pain in the process?
Given what you've already said about the Forsaken priests using the light cus of their convictions, I'm curious if the same could be applied to Death Knights as well?

by **Drustai** Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:20 am

Grekthar wrote:Out of sheer RP curiosity....if you're DK was say...a paladin in life, and still tried to hold onto those tenents as a Death Knight to help cope...would they possibly at a stretch be able to use the Light, even though it would probably cause them immense pain in the process?
Given what you've already said about the Forsaken priests using the light cus of their convictions, I'm curious if the same could be applied to Death Knights as well?

Yes.

by **Lexgrad** Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:34 pm

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3313064613?page=3

A blue post on the nature of souls regarding undeath. Clearly a Blizz RPer was at Os's mass Very Happy

by **Drustai** Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:54 pm

Nyorloth wrote:The souls of the undead (Forsaken, PC death knights, ghouls, etc.) are imperfectly attached to their bodies; the dark magic that sustains them is a buffer that prevents their souls from properly joining with their bodies. This is why undead feel only faint sensations of pain or discomfort from most physical stimuli, and why the Light is so painful to their existence.

Drustai wrote:Your soul cannot be bound to your physical body, afterall. For the recently departed, one can restore them to life by restoring their soul to their body. For the undead, this is not possible. There has been a permanent ‘scar’ placed upon their souls, a dark and twisted corruption that prevents the soul from merging with the body (this is why Forsaken cannot be returned to true life, they can only have their unliving bodies repaired).

Buahahaha! My theory is validated. The souls are incapable of joining with the body due to the unholy magic, hence why undead cannot be returned to true life.

Quote added to the guide now. Thanks for the heads up on that, Lex.

by **Seranita** Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:59 pm

hehe but this also implies that if the undead magics and fould magics were removed.. then the soul could reattach no? thow im guessing it is very risky as its those very magics keeping them alive..

by **Lexgrad** Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:11 pm

Yep, the nature of undeath keeps the soul distant it seems. Remove the magic and the being ends. However.... the plus side is upon the undeads end the unholy magic is removed and the soul could then be in full communion with the body perhaps, meaning the natural order is restored and the "here after" could be open to the being.

by **Seranita** Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:14 pm

there we are a solution for dru's undeadness!!! kill her by magic reduction and nutrelisation then reserection the light way with sole close by!!!

by **Lexgrad** Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:18 pm

No, light will forsake Dru, what ever happens she is a bad person.

by **Seranita** Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:38 pm

sometimes her methods can be quite.. questionable.. at least in monny's eyes.. but monny trusts that drus has the best at heart.. even if she needs to setp on druss's tail once in a while to stop her going nuts.. thow that does on both occations almost ended up in monny getting mauled! Razz

by **Lexgrad** Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:53 pm

Lex is the good one really Mon. Wink

The hope of DK redemption lies with the Shroud.

by **Vaell** Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:58 pm

Great topic, I've only just seen it. I did some pretty extensive research before making Drogu, so some of this was like revision but some stuff has really made me ponder some new character traits for my DK, so ty.

However, although my character feels the weaknesses of an Undead, it does not mean you necessarily have to show it. In my case, I rp a former Dragonmaw deserter who dreamed of becoming a Blademaster, so he tries to bottle up his pain. He will always be a supporter of anyone who wants to cause bloodshed and had diplomacy.

by **Seranita** Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:05 pm

Hmm monny is yet to talk to lex.. the one time she saw him she went like ohh i dont like him!

can lex win over monnys trust i wonder? hmm...

by **Drustai** Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:13 pm

Monrena wrote:hehe but this also implies that if the undead magics and fould magics were removed.. then the soul could reattach no? thow im guessing it is very risky as its those very magics keeping them alive..

Yes, this has always been the case.

The actual removing it is what happens to be next-to-impossible, however. There isn't any spiritual bleach strong enough.

Lexgrad wrote:Yep, the nature of undeath keeps the soul distant it seems. Remove the magic and the being ends. However.... the plus side is upon the undeads end the unholy magic is removed and the soul could then be in full communion with the body perhaps, meaning the natural order is restored and the "here after" could be open to the being.

Monrena wrote:there we are a solution for dru's undeadness!!! kill her by magic reduction and nutrelisation then reserection the light way with sole close by!!!

"Just remove the magic" implies it is simple. It isn't. The kind of magic holding it together is exceptionally powerful... hence why an undead can walk into an anti-magic field and not come apart, even though such a field would nullify most other spells and enchantments.

Magic isn't fun and tricks, kids. It's hard work. Despite what many mage RPers seem to think, magic does not provide instant solutions to life's problems.

Also, Lex, death does not end the corruption. When an undead dies, the soul remains corrupted. This is why even if you kill an undead and then try to resurrect it, you will only resurrect it back into undeath, not life. Not to mention, it required the intervention of the Naaru to purify a certain paladin's soul in Northrend so that he could become one with the Light, after he had become infected by the plague. Without that intervention, he would have been doomed to forever be a minion of the Scourge. We wouldn't have gone on a merry quest if all we needed to do was stab him to cure him.

Lexgrad wrote:No, light will forsake Dru, what ever happens she is a bad person.

The Light does not forsake anyone. But she is a bad person who doesn't have very good posthumous prospects.

Lexgrad wrote:Lex is the good one really Mon. The hope of DK redemption lies with the Shroud.

Lexgrad and the Shroud are some of the most unrepentant DKs around. Redemption isn't even on the same hemisphere as them. At least Dru tries.

Vaell wrote:Great topic, I've only just seen it. I did some pretty extensive research before making Drogu, so some of this was like revision but some stuff has really made me ponder some new character traits for my DK, so ty.

However, although my character feels the weaknesses of an Undead, it does not mean you necessarily have to show it. In my case, I rp a former Dragonmaw deserter who dreamed of becoming a Blademaster, so he tries to bottle up his pain. He will always be a supporter of anyone who wants to cause bloodshed and had diplomacy.

Yep, you don't have to show it. Plenty don't. As said in the first and most important section, 'you're a character first'.

by **Seranita** Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:27 pm

Yeah Good points there drue thow i by far did not mean to imply that clensing a dk's body and soul would be easy.. as drue said in rp with monny and some human once.. the ammount of clensing needed on not only the body but also on the soul is so sever and heavy it could in itself also distroy the soul thus making it still imposible to resume life but to only enjoy a peacefull death... or something to that extent

by **Zouyo** Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:34 pm

The way I play mine, is that he trys to blend the philosophy of Light he followed as a paladin in life, with the philosophy of Shadow that now factors in that he's Undead and the Light burns him should he use it.

Makes for some...interesting times with the Blood Knights and the Cult of Shadow Smile

If he gets redeemed along the way, then fine. But he's content putting up with this Curse as he sees it, if it means he can defend his people (even if the buggers dont appreciate his efforts)

by **Drustai** Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:55 pm

Monrena wrote:Yeah Good points there drue thow i by far did not mean to imply that clensing a dk's body and soul would be easy.. as drue said in rp with monny and some human once.. the ammount of clensing needed on not only the body but also on the soul is so sever and heavy it could in itself also distroy the soul thus making it still imposible to resume life but to only enjoy a peacefull death... or something to that extent

More or less, what Dru was saying in that incident is that any divine method of healing would result in true death, not resurrection. Because while the Light does sometimes resurrect, ultimately a natural death is the way of the day. Hence why Dru won't go to a Naaru for cleansing, even though they can certainly do it (as shown by A'dal cleansing the paladin), as their methods result in death, not rebirth.

The problem is, arcane methods lack the ability to 'break the laws' like divine ones do. Thus, it's next-to-impossible to do a proper cleansing with arcane methods. Most attempts will simply fail, and that's assuming you actually have the aptitude to mess with that kind of stuff at all.

Hence why the sad fact is that Dru will probably never get cured because the requirement for her getting cured is for her to accept her own death. Not going to happen.

Grek'thar/Takarius wrote:The way I play mine, is that he trys to blend the philosophy of Light he followed as a paladin in life, with the philosophy of Shadow that now factors in that he's Undead and the Light burns him should he use it.

I imagine it's very difficult for him to blend the two, seeing as one is about self-sacrifice and the other is about self-empowerment. Each is typically the sin of the other, so they don't frequently mix well.

by **Shaelyssa** Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:00 pm

Drustai should go write lore for blizzard Very Happy

by **Seranita** Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:06 pm

yay! seems monrena understood perfectly ic then XD she is smarter than i give her credit for.. seems i need to update my character troops with secret cleverness or something to that effect.. shame monrena is unable to help drue in her pickle.. well she probably could but not in the way she would expect.. Like a back-seat of some-sort.. a cheerleader.. Oh yeah! she can do that alight! she has the body for it *nods* where are the pompoms!! *looks around*

by **Lexgrad** Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:09 pm

I have the Lex solution to Dru's problem, dw in time I will show you all the way Very Happy

by **Zouyo** Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:11 pm

And I'll be there to stand in your way Lex Smile

by **Seranita** Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:14 pm

and possibly monrena.. for a few seconds beffor she runs in fear.. she may not like drustai that much.. but she has still been there when needed and she has helped out one of monrena's close close friends and partner..

by **Zouyo** Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:17 pm

"Drustai wrote
I imagine it's very difficult for him to blend the two, seeing as one is about self-sacrifice and the other is about self-empowerment. Each is typically the sin of the other, so they don't frequently mix well

In some ways it is a challenge, but in others, they almost seem to blend together. Both have the Virtue of Tenacity, and of compassion. Through what he percieves as his duty to protect his former people, no matter the cost, he does the whole, self-sacrificing aspect of the Light. Yet on the other hand, he strives to increase his own power so that he may further his goal where Shadow comes into play.

It is a very interesting play style, and one that I think suits me quite nicely....it's a shame that cross faction chat can't happen. I'm sure that my Angealion and your Drustai could have such interesting discussions on the subject.

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