The Ebon Road, a guide to RPing a Death Knight

I agree with Lex, if a Death Knight kill you, there's a 99.99% chance that he/she will steal your soul. That's just the Death Knight way. I mean, come on. Souls tastes like chicken.

oh dont they just.. something sedalli rairly gets to sample and enjoys it when she does.. she does things slowly and takes her time as ower por lassy tortured victaim found out some time ago

It is a twin addiction, there is a need to hurt stuff ofc but taking souls for the soul blade is a seperate and more subtle thing.

Not hurting stuff means the body tortures the Knight where as not taking souls is less of an urge, but the soulblade will try to make this happen. In Lex's case it makes him angry and tries to get him to kill. If he does it rewards with giving some slight feeling of life, a slight satisfaction, happyness and insight to what he lost.

A knight can go without taking souls but at somepoint their soulblade will empty and they will become powerless. Indeed at this point it will consume their own soul and leave the knight as basicily a forsaken.

Forsaken don't have a soul then?

Nope. They are basiclly scourge with free will (maybe). There souls managed to go where souls will.

My question was a rhetorical one.

"A Forsaken's body of this type is undead… and so is its soul, corrupted and changed to such a degree that it belongs to its new body now, rather than its old one."

"...as it takes a strong soul to rise, and a stronger soul to not fall to mindless undeath."

http://www.wowpedia.org/Forsaken is a handy source.
I believe it is also included in Drustai's guide.

Drathun wrote:Forsaken don't have a soul then?

Lexgrad was wrong. Forsaken do have a soul. All beings have a soul, when you lose your soul completely you go irrevocably mad. The difference is, that DKs (like Liches) have anchored their soul to the world with their runeblade/phylactery. Forsaken haven't. Forsaken still have a link with their soul, but their soul, being unanchored, is very much distant, lost in the spirit realm, and weakening. Therefore, Forsaken, over time, gradually lose themselves to the madness as their soul decays--though the strength of one's will can at least partially offset this for a time.

"While technically immortal, some Forsaken exhibit signs of old age, losing their identities and eventually sentience. They appear as dying old humans, feeble and scared, with a cold growing inside them, and forgetting who they are. They are losing their mind to the Scourge, and would eventually become a "mindless one" - an unintelligent zombie. All forsaken fear this process, as it means they revert to the Scourge's will and lose themselves to the Lich King and his dominance. The Forsaken will often kill these poor souls, perhaps as a form of mercy." -Horde Player's Guide

I was mistaken then. I believed the soul was lost.

Drustai wrote:

Drathun wrote:Forsaken don't have a soul then?

Lexgrad was wrong. Forsaken do have a soul. All beings have a soul, when you lose your soul completely you go irrevocably mad. The difference is, that DKs (like Liches) have anchored their soul to the world with their runeblade/phylactery. Forsaken haven't. Forsaken still have a link with their soul, but their soul, being unanchored, is very much distant, lost in the spirit realm, and weakening. Therefore, Forsaken, over time, gradually lose themselves to the madness as their soul decays--though the strength of one's will can at least partially offset this for a time.

"While technically immortal, some Forsaken exhibit signs of old age, losing their identities and eventually sentience. They appear as dying old humans, feeble and scared, with a cold growing inside them, and forgetting who they are. They are losing their mind to the Scourge, and would eventually become a "mindless one" - an unintelligent zombie. All forsaken fear this process, as it means they revert to the Scourge's will and lose themselves to the Lich King and his dominance. The Forsaken will often kill these poor souls, perhaps as a form of mercy." -Horde Player's Guide

Wasn't there something in that Dev Q&A from some time ago (the one where they talked bout the DK hunger) that also said something about some forsaken starting to regain their sense of smell or something like that?

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:

Drustai wrote:

Drathun wrote:Forsaken don't have a soul then?

Lexgrad was wrong. Forsaken do have a soul. All beings have a soul, when you lose your soul completely you go irrevocably mad. The difference is, that DKs (like Liches) have anchored their soul to the world with their runeblade/phylactery. Forsaken haven't. Forsaken still have a link with their soul, but their soul, being unanchored, is very much distant, lost in the spirit realm, and weakening. Therefore, Forsaken, over time, gradually lose themselves to the madness as their soul decays--though the strength of one's will can at least partially offset this for a time.

"While technically immortal, some Forsaken exhibit signs of old age, losing their identities and eventually sentience. They appear as dying old humans, feeble and scared, with a cold growing inside them, and forgetting who they are. They are losing their mind to the Scourge, and would eventually become a "mindless one" - an unintelligent zombie. All forsaken fear this process, as it means they revert to the Scourge's will and lose themselves to the Lich King and his dominance. The Forsaken will often kill these poor souls, perhaps as a form of mercy." -Horde Player's Guide

Wasn't there something in that Dev Q&A from some time ago (the one where they talked bout the DK hunger) that also said something about some forsaken starting to regain their sense of smell or something like that?

If they consistently use the Light.

Wasn't there something in that Dev Q&A from some time ago (the one where they talked bout the DK hunger) that also said something about some forsaken starting to regain their sense of smell or something like that?

There was, as I recall. I discussed it with Olian abit. However, I don't think it would be a good idea. I mean, what if you gain your sense of taste and smell back? I don't think you'd want to live with being able to taste your rottening tongue and/or smell the rotten skin on your body.

What would occure DK wise if a Knight was to try and become closer to the light then? Things like getting your sense of smell back sounds like the Undeads use of the light will make them become more alive (by undead standards). Would this overcome other aspects of undead such as feeling more emotion and empathy for others?

Should make a goblin that sells toothbrushes, toothpaste and mouth wash to forsaken.

ay such cleaning agents would help degrade the undeads gobbs doing such would result in them loosing there speekers

Lexgrad/Dreth wrote:What would occure DK wise if a Knight was to try and become closer to the light then? Things like getting your sense of smell back sounds like the Undeads use of the light will make them become more alive (by undead standards). Would this overcome other aspects of undead such as feeling more emotion and empathy for others?

Yes, it does.

Drustai wrote:

Lexgrad/Dreth wrote:What would occure DK wise if a Knight was to try and become closer to the light then? Things like getting your sense of smell back sounds like the Undeads use of the light will make them become more alive (by undead standards). Would this overcome other aspects of undead such as feeling more emotion and empathy for others?

Yes, it does.

Cool! Im gonna be a good DK naw and totally get on this!

Light keep ya'll.

Kill the Heathen!

Be a man! Be an Insane Dk! Where livings fear/despise/hate you and Ghouls are considered as Art!

PS: How can a Knight be closer to the light? I mean, wouldn't they be hurt by it since they are not living? I mean, if you use light in an undead it harms them. The soul doesn't have anything with it does it?

Sorazal/Clemmens wrote: Kill the Heathen!

Be a man! Be an Insane Dk! Where livings fear/despise/hate you and Ghouls are considered as Art!

PS: How can a Knight be closer to the light? I mean, wouldn't they be hurt by it since they are not living? I mean, if you use light in an undead it harms them. The soul doesn't have anything with it does it?

All life is suffering.

That didn't answer my questions.... at all.

Sorazal/Clemmens wrote:and Ghouls are considered as Art!

Jean-Baptiste de Gouille likes this.

Sorazal/Clemmens wrote:PS: How can a Knight be closer to the light? I mean, wouldn't they be hurt by it since they are not living? I mean, if you use light in an undead it harms them. The soul doesn't have anything with it does it?

They would be hurt by it, yes, but when has that ever stopped the truly faithful from practising their faith?

Faith shall overcome!

Sorazal/Clemmens wrote:PS: How can a Knight be closer to the light? I mean, wouldn't they be hurt by it since they are not living? I mean, if you use light in an undead it harms them.

Exactly the point.

If an undead has the sheer determination, willpower, and faith to continue to use the Light despite the fact that it hurts worse than anything they've ever felt before, then they definitely earn some kind of reward in the case of being able to feel more alive again.

It's a matter of penance and self-sacrifice. A test of faith, to fight off the pains of the physical body to achieve spiritual purity.

This is something I would like to do with Lex to some extent. Alot of his personality (or lack of it) is due to his rejection of the light that he believes rejected him. I do want him to be saved at some point in the future and regain his faith. But for this to happen he needs to be humbled greatly first.

you haven't angered Amy enough for her to kick your arse yet

Lexgrad/Dreth wrote:This is something I would like to do with Lex to some extent. Alot of his personality (or lack of it) is due to his rejection of the light that he believes rejected him. I do want him to be saved at some point in the future and regain his faith. But for this to happen he needs to be humbled greatly first.

You just need a proper teacher to take your hand and guide you back to the Path.

May I suggest an Anchorite?

Edit: I'm only half joking by the way. If your character is disgruntled with the Light or the Church, it may not be unsensible for him to approach the Draenei! They're a very forgiving and patient bunch, you know.

Well, most of them.

...All right, some.

Maybe, tbh he will be saved by who ever saves him XD Be it Draenei, human or other... (*Dwarf knocks on his door* Hello, can I interest you in titanism?)

His views on the light where quite "human" in life.