Get rid of RP guilds!

Now now, let's all- Look over there! A shiny!

WHAT? WHERE?!

Two major distractions so far in Cata: Guild perks and Archeology.

Also, the 20 man a guild gives XP has been removed it seems.

*looks at Gruff*

Meeee?.. The thirteenth duke of wymborune.... heeeere? In a french maids finishing school?.... with -my- reputation?....

Bingo...

I thought the cat was playing with a piece of string, didn't see it was a scorpion.

I think you guys are missing the point of what I'm trying to say

I don't have some sort of fanatical hatred towards people who only PvE or whatever, I just think that if you join a server flagged as RP you should have at least a decent amount of interest in rping. I just think people who join the server purely to be in an OOC guild and raid or w/e are dumb and dilute the whole point of the server. And by OOC guild I just mean one where the majority of members don't rp - I don't care if the guild as a whole has some sort of defining IC purpose, I just think it would be better if the majority of people on the server actively rped rather than just didn't break the rules.

It still beats the hopping competitions in any area on my old PvP server

But I do get the point. Why join an RP server if you have no interest at all? And yet, I can say that the atmosphere on an RP server is more enjoyable and in this respect I can understand people would prefer such an environment.
I have less understanding for the 'RP haters'. Mostly because I don't understand what the hatred is based on, and even less because I don't see the logic of going on an RP server when you hate it.

But back to the OP: I don't think this will pose a problem for any real RP guild. Keep in mind that for casual raiding these perks aren't likely to be game defining issues. Plus, casual raiding tends to be enough to get the most out of these perks anyway.

Jazeel wrote: I just think it would be better if the majority of people on the server actively rped rather than just didn't break the rules.

I don't understand, what's wrong with people who are OOC but don't break any RP rules i.e. They only speak OOC in party, raid, guild and whisper; it doesn't break immersion and you nor Blizzard can force anyone to RP.

Hell go to the Cathedral and you'll notice alot of RPer's just sit on a bench and go afk.

Tashun/Galavan wrote:

Jazeel wrote: I just think it would be better if the majority of people on the server actively rped rather than just didn't break the rules.

I don't understand, what's wrong with people who are OOC but don't break any RP rules i.e. They only speak OOC in party, raid, guild and whisper; it doesn't break immersion and you nor Blizzard can force anyone to RP.

Hell go to the Cathedral and you'll notice alot of RPer's just sit on a bench and go afk.

I guess we just have a difference of opinion. To me it would just feel better if I could rp with whoever I saw, automatically assuming they were rpers, rather than automatically assuming they are oocers and having to find out if they rp or not. It just seems weird that the majority of people on rp servers aren't actually there to rp, is all.

Only thing that breaks my heart is when they run into rp and go "what is this?!"

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:Only thing that breaks my heart is when they run into rp and go "what is this?!"

You clearly haven't encountered the "/s lol i thought you were npcs!" and the "/s cool! you rp? can i join? "

Jazeel wrote:

Tashun/Galavan wrote:

Jazeel wrote: I just think it would be better if the majority of people on the server actively rped rather than just didn't break the rules.

I don't understand, what's wrong with people who are OOC but don't break any RP rules i.e. They only speak OOC in party, raid, guild and whisper; it doesn't break immersion and you nor Blizzard can force anyone to RP.

Hell go to the Cathedral and you'll notice alot of RPer's just sit on a bench and go afk.

I guess we just have a difference of opinion. To me it would just feel better if I could rp with whoever I saw, automatically assuming they were rpers, rather than automatically assuming they are oocers and having to find out if they rp or not. It just seems weird that the majority of people on rp servers aren't actually there to rp, is all.

The whoever I saw bit. You see, you're adamant of this thing. It's YOUR beliefs your putting on others. You want to be able to do whatever YOU want. You want to RP when YOU want, with who YOU want. What if they were RPers and didn't want to RP with you? Why do they have to fit in your box? Why can't you RP and they don't?

I just don't understand that attitude, at all.

grufftoof wrote:

Jazeel wrote:

Tashun/Galavan wrote:

Jazeel wrote: I just think it would be better if the majority of people on the server actively rped rather than just didn't break the rules.

I don't understand, what's wrong with people who are OOC but don't break any RP rules i.e. They only speak OOC in party, raid, guild and whisper; it doesn't break immersion and you nor Blizzard can force anyone to RP.

Hell go to the Cathedral and you'll notice alot of RPer's just sit on a bench and go afk.

I guess we just have a difference of opinion. To me it would just feel better if I could rp with whoever I saw, automatically assuming they were rpers, rather than automatically assuming they are oocers and having to find out if they rp or not. It just seems weird that the majority of people on rp servers aren't actually there to rp, is all.

The whoever I saw bit. You see, you're adamant of this thing. It's YOUR beliefs your putting on others. You want to be able to do whatever YOU want. You want to RP when YOU want, with who YOU want. What if they were RPers and didn't want to RP with you? Why do they have to fit in your box? Why can't you RP and they don't?

I just don't understand that attitude, at all.

And I don't understand the attitude of joining a server with the RP tag when there are plenty of normal servers without it, guess we'll have to agree to disagree!

EDIT: I'm not saying I would expect people to be IC 24/7, that'd be unrealistic. All I'm saying is I think it would be better if people who chose to play on an RP server chose to do it in order to... well, roleplay. If people want to do PvE or PvP or whatever at the same time, I don't care. But the fact is there are a lot of people on the server (and the other RP servers) that don't care for RP at all, and I just don't understand why they would play on an rp server when there are normal ones without it. It's like joining a pure PvE realm because you like PvP or something.

"The people are more mature" is an often mentioned reason (judging from these forums I have to disagree ).

Anyway, I'm of the persuasion that people that join this server ought to have a (minimal) interest in role-playing. Seeing that's not possible, I'd settle with people that don't disturb role-play for others. And seeing that standard isn't met either at all, well, the only option left is apathy.

Doesn't stop me from cringing at horrible names, though!

Jazeel wrote:

grufftoof wrote:

Jazeel wrote:

Tashun/Galavan wrote:

Jazeel wrote: I just think it would be better if the majority of people on the server actively rped rather than just didn't break the rules.

I don't understand, what's wrong with people who are OOC but don't break any RP rules i.e. They only speak OOC in party, raid, guild and whisper; it doesn't break immersion and you nor Blizzard can force anyone to RP.

Hell go to the Cathedral and you'll notice alot of RPer's just sit on a bench and go afk.

I guess we just have a difference of opinion. To me it would just feel better if I could rp with whoever I saw, automatically assuming they were rpers, rather than automatically assuming they are oocers and having to find out if they rp or not. It just seems weird that the majority of people on rp servers aren't actually there to rp, is all.

The whoever I saw bit. You see, you're adamant of this thing. It's YOUR beliefs your putting on others. You want to be able to do whatever YOU want. You want to RP when YOU want, with who YOU want. What if they were RPers and didn't want to RP with you? Why do they have to fit in your box? Why can't you RP and they don't?

I just don't understand that attitude, at all.

And I don't understand the attitude of joining a server with the RP tag when there are plenty of normal servers without it, guess we'll have to agree to disagree!

EDIT: I'm not saying I would expect people to be IC 24/7, that'd be unrealistic. All I'm saying is I think it would be better if people who chose to play on an RP server chose to do it in order to... well, roleplay. If people want to do PvE or PvP or whatever at the same time, I don't care. But the fact is there are a lot of people on the server (and the other RP servers) that don't care for RP at all, and I just don't understand why they would play on an rp server when there are normal ones without it. It's like joining a pure PvE realm because you like PvP or something.

Dude, mailboxes, banks and auction houses are only found in cities, and the two most convinient places are Ironforge and Stormwind for Alliance, which one of those is THE RP hub for most roleplayers, and for horde it's Orgrimmar and Undercity, which would be the two most popular RP hubs, once again. You have no clue as to who is an RPer, because not every RPer uses RP addons or is in an RP guild, take my druid friend, I'm teaching her how to RP because she has no clue how to RP but thought it'd be a nice thing to do on occasion. She is a guild leader of....a PvE raiding guild.

Tashun/Galavan wrote:You have no clue as to who is an RPer,

Yes, exactly. That is my point

Jazeel wrote:

Tashun/Galavan wrote:You have no clue as to who is an RPer,

Yes, exactly. That is my point

You took an extraction of a more detailed explaination, a common technique used by the media to portray someone more evil than they actually are.

You don't know who is an RPer because they may not use RP addons or be in an RP guild, so someone you may pass by at the bank could in fact be an RPer when it looks like they're an OOCer who is using the bank/mail.

Tashun/Galavan wrote:and for horde it's Orgrimmar and Undercity, which would be the two most popular RP hubs,

Don't know about Undercity, but Orgrimmar is in no way an RP hub for horde.

Marogg/Helanie wrote:

Tashun/Galavan wrote:and for horde it's Orgrimmar and Undercity, which would be the two most popular RP hubs,

Don't know about Undercity, but Orgrimmar is in no way an RP hub for horde.

My Apologies, I meant Silvermoon and Undercity

Tashun/Galavan wrote:

Marogg/Helanie wrote:

Tashun/Galavan wrote:and for horde it's Orgrimmar and Undercity, which would be the two most popular RP hubs,

Don't know about Undercity, but Orgrimmar is in no way an RP hub for horde.

My Apologies, I meant Silvermoon and Undercity

The Undercity is mostly visited by the Cult and people looking for the Cult though, haven't seen a whole lot of (quality) random RP there to be honest... Then again, I've sporadically visited in the past.

And Silvermoon is well, Silvermoon.

Ratchet is supposed to be a half-decent hub though.

When i firstly started to role play, I was exactly as Jezeel. I played myself the game only to role play, didn't had any clue about the class I was playing and didn't lvlup further 45 in six month of intensive gaming.

After I discovered the plasure of knowing your class, raid, and progress in a PVE environement.

I enjoy the game itself, I enjoy to raid, and I enjoy to role play aswell. Not as much as I did by the past - I do not role play every day - but I enjoy it a lot.
My guild is a guild of friends. Most of them are not role player at all, they just joined the server to stay with their friend. But I managed to initiate some seriously (like Alakina who is awsome), and some less seriously, but they joined some events and enjoyed it.

Of course, people who enjoy PVE could stayt in a PVE realm with their PVE character and have a RP alt here. But a lot of player prefer to be faithfull to one server, to invest themselves in the community of the server. I think it's better to try to initiate OOCer to some occasional RP with some cool events, than complaining about them.
We can all live together in peace, and WOW, isn't really made for role play at first place anyway, so you can't expect to much from it. DB is a amazing server already.


Concerning the original message, I don't think it will make a problem. Strict RP guild will continue to exist whatever happen, because their fun is to be in a RP guild, they don't need a class balance, good raiders or any seriouss attendance. They can be 5, 15, or 60 their guild will still work.

The guild which might disepear however, are the hybrid guild either RP or PVP wich try to raid also half seriously.

Elloa wrote:When i firstly started to role play, I was exactly as Jezeel. I played myself the game only to role play, didn't had any clue about the class I was playing and didn't lvlup further 45 in six month of intensive gaming.

Pardon me? I am not clueless about my class, and I resent the implication, to be honest. As I said, I DO enjoy PvE and PvP (yes okay I suck at the latter but its still my favourite), I just think it is strange to have characters on an RP server and not want to RP at all. I do PvE and PvP myself!

Jazeel wrote:

Elloa wrote:When i firstly started to role play, I was exactly as Jezeel. I played myself the game only to role play, didn't had any clue about the class I was playing and didn't lvlup further 45 in six month of intensive gaming.

Pardon me? I am not clueless about my class, and I resent the implication, to be honest. As I said, I DO enjoy PvE and PvP (yes okay I suck at the latter but its still my favourite), I just think it is strange to have characters on an RP server and not want to RP at all. I do PvE and PvP myself!

Ooh sorry didn't meant it like that at all !! XD I just wanted to say that when I was the nub hardcore Rper I was sharing same opinion than you concerning the fact that non Rper should not be allowed to roll on RP server as they have PVE or PVP server for them. Now my opinion is more balanced.

Sooooo I didn't meant you was a nub !! Sorryyyyyy !!!!!!!

Elloa wrote:
Ooh sorry didn't meant it like that at all !! XD I just wanted to say that when I was the nub hardcore Rper I was sharing same opinion than you concerning the fact that non Rper should not be allowed to roll on RP server as they have PVE or PVP server for them. Now my opinion is more balanced.

I still think this. PvE or PvP is not limited to non-roleplayers. Roleplayers like to do both. The amount of hardcore roleplayers had dwindled since the vanilla game. Especially since WotLK raiding is more accesible then ever. A good move on Blizzard's part imo, but lets not digress any further. What I mean to say is: PVP SERVER THAT WAY (if you don't have any interest in role-playing) ----->

I agree. NonRPers should leave the server, all off them.

However, loving and doing PvP and PvE does NOT make you a nonRPer. You can be an RPer and a PvP pro. Look at Bloodwind for example. A PvP orientated guild with alot of high PvP demands I believe, yes still they have a large population of RPers and are an RP guild.

RP, PvP and PvE don't have to conflict. It's just "layers" stacked upon each other. It's an RP server with PvP ruleset. ALL RP rules still apply. It's like rolling a normal RP server, except the gamemechanics are PvP orientated. It's not an invitation to non-RPers who should ALL leave RP realms.

Imagine a realm where EVERYONE is a RPer and you can just RP with EVERYONE. All hubs and cities full. <3