Get rid of RP guilds!

Not to mention the RP community would decrease significantly in size as far from everyone would be content with just casual raidng/pvp in addition to their RP.

Jomir/Nastor/Gannas wrote:RP guilds exist currently without these guild perks, and will continue to exist when they're added. If people leave your guild because you're a little slow at gaining perks then they aren't members worth having in the first place.

Thank all that is holy that you mentioned this. I was so, so tempted to put "I can't believe we're having this flipping argument - there were RP guilds before the effects take place (i.e. now) and there will be after", but now it seems you beat me to it.

Yeah. How dare people enjoy PvE in a game they pay for and abide the rules of a RP realm. Such bastards.

*facepalm*

Tashun/Galavan wrote:

Jazeel wrote:

Tashun/Galavan wrote:

Sinnadrin wrote:Better idea: get rid of PvE guilds on RP-PvP servers!

Why? Animosity and many other PvE guilds don't OOC near RPers, grief RPers or make fun of RPers, and most people in my guild are or have been roleplayers.

This is why I wanted to join a PvE guild, I didn't want to dedicated myself solely to roleplay, I joined a roleplay server so I could roleplay when I felt like it, while keeping my usual PvE (and a little PvP) gameplay I was used to on Quel'Thalas-EU

because if the servers weren't full of fucking pvers/pvpers maybe we could actually have immersion instead of 1 million non rping retards in orgrimmar/stormwind etc

RP-PVP and universaly every server is PvE (normal), so a RP-PVP-PVE server yet you solely focus on the RP focus point, yes, you're right, there are more rules when it comes to RP servers, however, does it specifically say in the rules "You MUST roleplay to be on this server"? No? Does it say "You must follow the rules set by Blizzard"? Yes. So we have PvE and PvP guilds who don't ooc in /s and /y and don't grief roleplaying, yet you're saying they're ruining your immersion.

Sense = None

Also, if there were no pve or pvp guilds on the server you would notice that things you take for granted like the auction house would be fucked and it'd be very difficult (especially in cataclysm) to be able to make any real raid progression for the server.

No the point is the 100 people standing around in cities etc aren't really contributing to rp at all, can you imagine how much better it would be if people actually signed up on rp servers to... you know.. RP? Not because "oh well I mostly pve but sometimes I guess I like to rp!" I dunno about you but personally I think if you sign up to an rp server rp should be your first priority, if it is just something on the side there's plenty of servers where PvP and Pve are the main focus.

Of course this is all blizzard's fault there really should be just one RP-PVP and one RP-PVE server for the whole of Europe so the roleplayers aren't so spread out and they should actively encourage the presence of only people who rp on rp servers.

oh and fyi I couldn't give a fuck about PvE progression, in bringing that up you just make it clear you completely miss what I'm trying to say here

Nayan wrote:Yeah. How dare people enjoy PvE in a game they pay for and abide the rules of a RP realm. Such bastards.

*facepalm*

I'm saying I think the rules are wrong and blizzard sucks

And that if people want to PvE why don't they just join a PvE realm?

I think you're going too far with your statements, Jazeel. I think it's a good thing there's certain areas that have a somewhat OOC envoirement, so that you can relax and when you don't feel like RPing, you can just stand there on your horse in fancy armour for example. Personally it's all about imagination for me. When I enter SW trade-district, I just imagine it being a super busy district when RPing there, with merchants and people riding everywhere, desperately making deals. It works in my brain. I don't treat OOCers as really OOC, unless they break the rules by talking OOC in /say and so.

But that's just me. I like to hang out there and OOCly run around and mount up now and then too. ^^ nonstop RP everywhere would be lame and people like the game for it's PvE and PvP too, so let them do that too, although I agree with you that there's too much OOCers and non-RP guild names.

People who JUST come for PvE or PvP and never RP or have no intention too have no place on the server in my eyes either, but it is good for server balance etc. etc. Although we could do with like.. half the amount of RP servers, twice the amount of RPers on each server and less OOCtards all together. Ah, but in a perfect world, eh?

I just think we should let people play the game they want to play, in the way they want too, as long as they don't go harassing each other or forcing things on each other. (i.e. OOC behaviour and griefing. The countless times retards stood on RP-events with their HUGe mammoths, or griefed RP on purpose..)

Jazeel wrote:

Nayan wrote:Yeah. How dare people enjoy PvE in a game they pay for and abide the rules of a RP realm. Such bastards.

*facepalm*

I'm saying I think the rules are wrong and blizzard sucks

And that if people want to PvE why don't they just join a PvE realm?

Why don't you join a purely RP server?

Jazeel wrote:

Nayan wrote:Yeah. How dare people enjoy PvE in a game they pay for and abide the rules of a RP realm. Such bastards.

*facepalm*

And that if people want to PvE why don't they just join a PvE realm?

Yeah because if I want to PvE and Roleplay I have to join a Normal server because it's deemed OOC, so when I actually want to RP there is no one around because I'm not on a RP server, makes perfect sense.

Nayan wrote:people enjoy PvE in a game they pay for and abide the rules of a RP realm.

Also as I stated:

Tashun wrote:Animosity and many other PvE guilds don't OOC near RPers, grief RPers or make fun of RPers, and most people in my guild are or have been roleplayers.

By your logic, anyone who PvP's on a Normal server should be banned, anyone who PvE's on a PvP server should be banned, and anyone who PvE's and/or PvP's on a RP server should be banned. If RP-PVP realms were designed primarily for only roleplayers, then by all means shouldn't Blizzard of removed the PvE and PvP achievements from RP servers and Guild Achievements/Guild Perks in Cataclysm from RP servers?

Jazeel wrote:oh and fyi I couldn't give a fuck about PvE progression, in bringing that up you just make it clear you completely miss what I'm trying to say here

And the fact that you just skimmed through what I said to the last paragraph which mentioned PvE progression shows you completely miss what I'm trying to say here.

You want to roleplay only? Go join Argent Dawn. A RP server. Not RP-PVP server.

Maybe we all should take a step back from the thread, get a drink, take a deep breath and then start posting, because I get the sense people are taking it a bit too personal an I'm

Spoiler:

Hmh, your RP guild is an important part of your identity as an RP'er, as a group you build something no PvE-perk or achievement can, a name an identity and a reputation...the sinister Dark Sphere, the noble Disciples of Light..ect.

I suppose you could make a group of people in a non-guild organization and RP too..but some of the magic is lost, you have trouble *seeing* them as a group.

Anaei/Vezullia wrote:

Jazeel wrote:

Nayan wrote:Yeah. How dare people enjoy PvE in a game they pay for and abide the rules of a RP realm. Such bastards.

*facepalm*

I'm saying I think the rules are wrong and blizzard sucks

And that if people want to PvE why don't they just join a PvE realm?

Why don't you join a purely RP server?

because there's no such thing that is my god damn point

Tashun/Galavan wrote:You want to roleplay only? Go join Argent Dawn. A RP server. Not RP-PVP server.

This part is the best, yeah it's an RP-PvP server and you're arguing that... purely ooc pve guilds suit the place just fine? Hurr? Durr?

Jazeel wrote:

Tashun/Galavan wrote:You want to roleplay only? Go join Argent Dawn. A RP server. Not RP-PVP server.

This part is the best, yeah it's an RP-PvP server and you're arguing that... purely ooc pve guilds suit the place just fine? Hurr? Durr?

Don't go twisting his words. Sure it would be ideal if every inch of azeroth being IC 100% of the time, 24/7, but that's not going to happen. World of Warcraft isn't, and never was, designed solely for Roleplay, even on RP servers. If you expected otherwise, you picked the wrong game to play.

Jazeel wrote:

Anaei/Vezullia wrote:

Jazeel wrote:

Nayan wrote:Yeah. How dare people enjoy PvE in a game they pay for and abide the rules of a RP realm. Such bastards.

*facepalm*

I'm saying I think the rules are wrong and blizzard sucks

And that if people want to PvE why don't they just join a PvE realm?

Why don't you join a purely RP server?

because there's no such thing that is my god damn point

Erm, there's no such thing as a pure RP server? I count 6 labelled as such in the realm list. I count 5 RP-PvP. I count the rest also. Or do you mean something else, the above doesn't seem to be clear in that case.

I came to DB on the day it launched from ER because I wanted the PvP aspect to be alive in the world. Even though I do not PvP actively much anymore, it just felt stupid to me that PvP was something you could switch on or off (it still is in someplaces, of course, blueshield hooooo!). I've always liked PVE, RP and to some extent PvP. I like all the aspects of this game. Some people don't like any, or just a few. Why they then have to shove their own interpretations of what other people "should" think down other people's throats is beyond me.

I am in a guild with an RP ethos, a story, and idea. If people RP in the guild within that, brilliant, it is left open and weird for them to do so. If they don't ok. But not one of them (I do hope, and would act against if they were) is an OOC player, or someone who doesn't stand by the RP ruleset. Some, in fact plenty, don't RP "within" the guild. They RP on other characters, or characters that have links to other guilds. In the same way not all are PvPers. Nor are all PVErs.

Right, you can judge. That's what the interwebs are for isn't it, judging others. I forgot that.

As for guilds and Cata? My own personal guild is an RP guild. This is Brock Dem Labz Inc. It has 3 members. I don't care about the changes that Cata brings to guilds with respect to BDLI. I have it for the history, stories and links to grufftoof. That's it. As I will my Worgen guild. For one player.

For TTW I don't care much either. The guild stuff is fluff. It is nice, but it is nice fluff. Some useful tools. Nothing game breaking, Blizz have stated that, and expect the talents etc to change anyway. This is beta.

/end pointless rant

I'd like the scorpion mount now please. And then I'll probably never use it anyway.


Edit:
I've always kinda detested the "PVE SERVER THAT WAY LOL" attitude on the Blizz forums. It's pathetic. Many people have reasons to play here. Some are very misguided, and should be directed away, or shunned, or ignored. Can I decide if they play here? No. I am not the owner of this game. I own nothing in this game. Blizzard does. But I can choose to interact with them or not. Like the person dribbling on the bus who smells of wee. I can simply get off the stop before I should and walk in the fresh air and forget them. Sometimes I know this is VERY HARD for a lot of people, especially here. But really, that "LOL THIS ISN'T FOR PVE" or "PVE SERVER THAT WAY" stuff is shit. A simple statement with nothing behind it except someone's decision. Your judgement. Your decision because something doesn't fit your world.

There are cock ends who try to spoil things. We all know them, have seen them. There are guilds people question for being here, predating the Goons, all the way to vanilla (Taiga Clan anyone?). But Azeroth even in vanilla was a pretty big place. I could get away from them. I'm pretty sure I can do now. Breathe in, breathe out, young Grasshoppers. Or maybe follow the "LOL THIS ISN'T..." mentality:

LOL REAL LIFE THAT WAY ->

Nayan wrote:Yeah. How dare people enjoy PvE in a game they pay for and abide the rules of a RP realm. Such bastards.

*facepalm*

There'll always be RPers that expect everyone on the RP(-PvP) realm to play solely for the RP, and to only see the actual game as an added bonus that you can bother with at times. I saw this discussion five years ago and I'm seeing it now, think it's just stuck.


Oh, and regarding the OP... what's the problem, really? In no way are the guild levelling additions in Cata aimed to "destroy" or "cater to non-RP guilds". Let's look at it this way: You're in an RP guild now, you get no benefits from this in PvE. In Cata you may be in an RP guild, but you'll actually also manage to pick up a few buffs from your guild talents thingies to boost your PvE performance. How is this not an improvement?

It can be seen as a bad thing if you're a competitive PvE-player who compares themselves to PvE-players in that are in PvE guilds, I guess. However, if you're this competitive about it, you should either join a PvE guild for the buffs, or stand by your choice and make do without. Don't go crying about changing the system when it's actually, not seeing things while putting people's egos first for a moment, only there to benefit you as a player.

I do wonder how I, and many, many others managed to RP (And IMO far better RP expereinces) in Ultima Online when there was no seperate rulesets on servers when apparantly RP is destroyed on this server because some people don't RP 100% of the time.

Defias Brotherhood has an awesome RP community, a lot of that is guild lead, will it be annihilated just becasue they won't get PvE perks through guild levelling, of course not. Guilds that focus on that sort of thing will do, whether they RP or not. RP guilds that don't care much for PvE won't care. And the few players that do care for PvE that are in RP guilds that don't do PvE will accept that they won't get the guild perks, but will still do their RP with the guild and PvE as they are now.

Let me help you here.



If you would like this changed, post a suggestion to Blizzard to make a server with PvE turned off. Then transfer there, and enjoy the 50-100 people server. Cause the rest want to play the game too.

PS: The sad part is not when a minority grabs the stones and pitchforks against those who don't rp but don't ooc. The sad part is when that minority gets all fanatic about RP'ers themselves, who dare to do something else than RP.

^ that Nayan, that table, perfect description.

Also, if people want this RP only world... where the world is REALLY a roleplay world. Where interaction in that world is everything, and GMs play with us, like in a P&P game or something...

Well, if you want that, you really are playing the wrong game. 5 years after this server launched, you could have realised that by now maybe. But I'd suggest trying to find a Persistent World (PW) for something like Neverwinter Nights. There are some proper RP only worlds there. Where you can only level by a GMs discretion. They can be brilliant. But they are not MMOs. They're not WoW.

("LOL PW THAT WAY ->")

GUILD PERKS AND REWARDS VERY QUICK COMPARISON



That is all..

/end public service announcement

^ I don't get it.

It's a cat (Lion, Alliance guild mount) killing a scorpion (Horde guild mount).

Hence my good man Jayse is making reference to the Alliance mount "pwning" the Horde one. To use the modern day parlance. What-what.

*hands a scone to Gruff*

Moar Tea sir?

Jayse wrote:*hands a scone to Gruff*

Moar Tea sir?

Quite, indeed.

*takes scone*

Now, do be a good man, there's some riff-raff around, do get rid of them, I have a frightful headache. And a medicinal brandy.

Translation: "Distractions to keep you busy".

Nayan wrote:Translation: "Distractions to keep you busy".

Sorry, I don't understand you. Are YOU ONE OF THOSE FOREIGN TYPES?

Jayse my man, is he *whispers* one-of-those-you-know-those? *whispers* smile politely and fetch my gun, the big one... and another brandy.