Villains and Cultists.

I've been wondering as of late. Who is there left who can promptly be called an Antagonist or a "Villain" type of character? I've been around to have some cross-paths with Shagrath, Neferi, Ataris and others. But who's there left on the Villain scene, both on Horde and Alliance?

There's Gende and her faction of cultists. There's also Sophyra and Braiden, for the Lawful Evil type. Forlorn Cartel for standard criminals. And myself for anti-hero/anti-villain.

Dunno about Horde.

I've been working on a long term project with the "Wraith-lord", on horde, been planning to make him a cross faction bad guy... but as they say, for something to be perfect, you need to take your time and be patient.

I'm looking more for the evil archetype kind of villain over common thieves, but thanks a lot for the replies already. Any idea where they reside these days?

Silmaniel wrote:I'm looking more for the evil archetype kind of villain over common thieves, but thanks a lot for the replies already. Any idea where they reside these days?

Well... no. they tend to keep to themselves, and my guy is very much in 'hiding'. so afraid i cant help, Drustai may know though.

Hello, i am Gende.

To answer your question the evil are indeed hiding, thus hard to find.

The ration between archetype Good & Evil is at the moment 9/10 vs. 1/10 on Alliance side. The "Bad guys always loose" assumption does not encourage people to start, not to even mention meta-gaming that is prone to happen if not taken precautions. "Stupid" I-kill-all bad guys got very little room, as the numbers are against them.

I should be able to tell you more of the Villains of the Alliance, but i would prefer do it on PM's, Skype or Ingame. I can mainly be found on Skaraín (Alliance) due of a current plot.

Ps. We really should clear up "Villains and Outlaws" section of the forums, and start from a fresh table.

I have something in the works also.

I've got a murderous bastard in the pipeline, though he isn't a stereotypical archetype.

But over on the mage front, we have plenty to hunt! Always room for more bad guys. Imo, I've seen people complain about "too many cultists" but I like it. I think in a World of lore based around constant warfare and betrayal, you can never have too many!

On horde, contact Illisara and the Ashen Ascendancy.

My Chezz is still around, though I'm not sure in what kind of trouble to get him in. He has a small amount of shadow magic on him (Shadow enchanted tattoo so he can shadowstep once in a while). If you wanna start something hit me up and if I like it Chezzy might join if there's treasure involved.

The Army of the Damned is still hanging on if you're interested in RPing Scourge remnants. If you're interested we've got a thread somewhere with more info, or you can contact myself or Alieus in-game.

Silmaniel wrote:I've been wondering as of late. Who is there left who can promptly be called an Antagonist or a "Villain" type of character? I've been around to have some cross-paths with Shagrath, Neferi, Ataris and others. But who's there left on the Villain scene, both on Horde and Alliance?

That level of proper of evil has been loooooong absent from this realm. The only ones remaining would be Melnerag, who's now playing as Sophyra, and Axio, to my knowledge.

Raelan wrote:
That level of proper of evil has been loooooong absent from this realm.

I don't think so. They just got better at hiding

Raelan wrote:

Silmaniel wrote:I've been wondering as of late. Who is there left who can promptly be called an Antagonist or a "Villain" type of character? I've been around to have some cross-paths with Shagrath, Neferi, Ataris and others. But who's there left on the Villain scene, both on Horde and Alliance?

That level of proper of evil has been loooooong absent from this realm. The only ones remaining would be Melnerag, who's now playing as Sophyra and Axio, to my knowledge.

Axio is a separate player.

Nevermind, realized you were mentioning them as separate. Need another comma there, since it sounds like you're saying Melnerag is both Soph and Axio.

I believe Vectoria is a.. I wouldn't say "villain", but certainly not lawful.
And I have Naz'aya ofc.

Got my mind around an event character that could keep stuff happening for a good time, potentially. Though, I'd need to get in touch with some of the ones who'd get involved before proceeding with any plans.

Zalissa/Alorah wrote:I believe Vectoria is a.. I wouldn't say "villain", but certainly not lawful.

I believe that Illisara and the Ashen Ascendancy as Jahzeem mentioned earlier are bad enough that even Vectoria is hunting for them

erwtenpeller wrote:

Raelan wrote:
That level of proper of evil has been loooooong absent from this realm.

I don't think so. They just got better at hiding

Were you around during vanilla and TBC then?

Raelan wrote:

erwtenpeller wrote:

Raelan wrote:
That level of proper of evil has been loooooong absent from this realm.

I don't think so. They just got better at hiding

Were you around during vanilla and TBC then?

Not to put down the efforts made by people since those times, but I can't do much but agree.

Raelan wrote:

erwtenpeller wrote:

Raelan wrote:
That level of proper of evil has been loooooong absent from this realm.

I don't think so. They just got better at hiding

Were you around during vanilla and TBC then?

Oh god, one of those people.

Cultists / "Bad guys" are still very much around and some of them are great characters. People like Raelan who want to be hipster about playing WoW in the golden days are obviously going to go and put a downer on things, but I've had some pretty memorable encounters and the ongoing cultist hunt is great fun. It has nothing to do with "RP being better in Vanilla" either. A lot of role-players have grown up and a lot more have improved over their experiences throughout the past years, so if anything RP has improved somewhat - we just lack as many players as there were back then (which doesn't exactly stop evil RP, you could have one hero and one villain and still create decent rp.)

In other words, don't chat shit, Raelan!

Raelan wrote:

erwtenpeller wrote:

Raelan wrote:
That level of proper of evil has been loooooong absent from this realm.

I don't think so. They just got better at hiding

Were you around during vanilla and TBC then?

Hiding!

Anyone who was not playing on this server during the vanilla and TBC days simply cannot objectively compare then with now. Sorry.

I'm not going to go out and say it was better then than it is now, mind, I prefer not to bother with those kind of judgments. But if you were not actually here during those times, then you have no right to go out and say that it is better now than it was then. You don't have the experience to say either way. That's just boasting for the sake of boasting.

It's like saying an apple is better than an orange, when you've never eaten an orange in your life.

Vaell wrote:

Raelan wrote:

erwtenpeller wrote:

Raelan wrote:
That level of proper of evil has been loooooong absent from this realm.

I don't think so. They just got better at hiding

Were you around during vanilla and TBC then?

Oh god, one of those people.

Cultists / "Bad guys" are still very much around and some of them are great characters. People like Raelan who want to be hipster about playing WoW in the golden days are obviously going to go and put a downer on things, but I've had some pretty memorable encounters and the ongoing cultist hunt is great fun. It has nothing to do with "RP being better in Vanilla" either. A lot of role-players have grown up and a lot more have improved over their experiences throughout the past years, so if anything RP has improved somewhat - we just lack as many players as there were back then (which doesn't exactly stop evil RP, you could have one hero and one villain and still create decent rp.)

In other words, don't chat shit, Raelan!

There's a reason why Ataris, Shagrath, Fenuviel, Neferi, Melnerag, Andrek, Krev (Honestly I can continue this) are still well-remembered and held as -the- standard. One you apparently can't wrap your mind around.

Were you here during that period for that matter? Judging by your answer, I sincerely doubt it. And that's all I have to say about the subject.

Lol, objectively comparing a set subjective assessments, good one Dru.

Saying anything in the past is better than is now is silly as your memory of the time is highly inaccurate and often get's skewed to being more positive.

But even if was better then, it doesn't fucking matter, you cannot back to the past, only work to the future. Now get on it, make good cultist / "bad guys" rp happen.

Drefurion wrote:Lol, objectively comparing a set subjective assessments, good one Dru.

Saying anything in the past is better than is now is silly as your memory of the time is highly inaccurate and often get's skewed to being more positive.

But even if was better then, it doesn't fucking matter, you cannot back to the past, only work to the future. Now get on it, make good cultist / "bad guys" rp happen.

Drustai wrote:Anyone who was not playing on this server during the vanilla and TBC days simply cannot objectively compare then with now. Sorry.

I'm not going to go out and say it was better then than it is now, mind, I prefer not to bother with those kind of judgments. But if you were not actually here during those times, then you have no right to go out and say that it is better now than it was then. You don't have the experience to say either way. That's just boasting for the sake of boasting.

It's like saying an apple is better than an orange, when you've never eaten an orange in your life.

Nice reading comprehension there, Drefurion. My point was that you cannot make an opinion if you have no been around for both. I never made any comment as to which one is "better" than the other. Only that if you were not present for both, you cannot say that one is better than the other.