Know thy crimes! Know thy sins! Can thou reach Heaven?

goes under Debauchery!

Exaythe wrote:But, thanks! I will add Beastiality&Cannibalism there as well.

No. Thank you for using the services of your local sinner. Don't forget our slogan: It takes a sinner to know a sinner! We hope to see you back with us again! As a friendly token, we provide you with an additional sin: Necrophilia.

(also Sodomy is good general term for anything that's not normal sex, ranging from beastiality, to homosexualy and oral sex... But perhaps it's too general, I don't think the Light has an issues with homosexuals? I mean.. The Blood Elfs can use the Light and all..)

Drefurion wrote:

(also Sodomy is good general term for anything that's not normal sex, ranging from beastiality, to homosexualy and oral sex... But perhaps it's too general, I don't think the Light has an issues with homosexuals? I mean.. The Blood Elfs can use the Light and all..)

Blood Elves aren't the race where a bunch of men go and sleep together and leave the females alone to fend for themselves.

Exaythe wrote:Exaythe is a:

Heretic (she constantly asks uncomfortable questions about religion!)
Meddler (she always meddles in human affairs)
Defiler (she encouraged Dru to keep at practicing Shadow Magic!)
Witch (she practiced shadow magic!)
Cultist (she used to hang out with Zaraj :( )
Betrayer (she committed murder!)

Association with.....pretty much everybody evil
Sympathy with....pretty much everybody evil

...which probably means she would go straight to a stake :(

I wish I had that list in-character ...

Shaelyssa is a ...
Blasphemer
Sinner
Criminal
Heretic
Defiler
Infidel
Heathen

And is guilty of ...

Idolatry
Paganism
Blasphemy
Apathy
Irreligious Behavior
Infidelity
Murder
Disobedience
Harm
Theft (Drustai's sword ... lol)
Deception
Insult
Denying Hospitality
Denying Aid
Mockery
Spreading Ill Rumors
Hatred
Jealousy
Arrogance
Attachment
Self-expectation
Treating with Prejudice
Wishing Harm
Thinking Poorly
Concealing the Truth
Unhelpful deeds
Unhelpful speech
Unhelpful thoughts

Ya ... I already know she's going to hell.

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:

Drefurion wrote:

(also Sodomy is good general term for anything that's not normal sex, ranging from beastiality, to homosexualy and oral sex... But perhaps it's too general, I don't think the Light has an issues with homosexuals? I mean.. The Blood Elfs can use the Light and all..)

Blood Elves aren't the race where a bunch of men go and sleep together and leave the females alone to fend for themselves.

Our females have more masculinity in one pinky-finger than any Blood Elf man!

Sleeping together with all those men was very cosy, I bet you're just jealous!

*Edit: Uh graverobbery, or general desecration of graves is a sin too, right?

Shaelyssa ate an orc once ... I think ... I forgot if I actually role-played it out or not. I remember it was to freak out that prisoner we had (poor Varekk).

But does that count as cannibalism? Because technically, they come from an entirely different planet, so they're not even the same species!!!

Shaelyssa wrote:Shaelyssa ate an orc once ... I think ... I forgot if I actually role-played it out or not. I remember it was to freak out that prisoner we had (poor Varekk).

But does that count as cannibalism? Because technically, they come from an entirely different planet, so they're not even the same species!!!

Humans and Night Elfs come from the same planet.. Does this mean we're the same species?

This is mockery, right? -checks off on his sin-list-

If a creature can potentially testify faith in the Holy Light, then eating it is cannibalism!!!!

I'd like to hear what you guys think about a priestess of the moon who's a fan of yours IC?

what about gaining biblical knowege of another race?

Now that I actually have time, here is the (large) list of Dru's!

She is a blasphemer, sinner, faithless, criminal, despoiler, heretic, defiler, witch, apostate, betrayer, meddler.

And she has committed the following sins!

Soulsnatching - vampiric runeblade. They are called soulblades for a reason!
Damnation - She was a warlock working for the Legion long ago before giving it up. She doesn't use it anymore, but still has the taint.
Necromancy - Duh. She's a Class A necromancer. <.>
Heresy - After losing her faith in the Light, she briefly worshipped Shadow.
Witchcraft - Necromancy and Shadow magic.
Apostasy - She lost her faith after the Orc War, and gave up worship of the Light.
Corruption - She tends to preach the reasons for the above to Exaythe. She doesn't really want to turn Exaythe away from the Light, but she does so unintentionally regardless.
Sacrilege - She has graverobbed for necromantic reagents--in particular, from Auchindoun.
Faithlessness - She still 'follows' the Light, but as she lost her faith, it doesn't really mean anything.
Blasphemy - She speaks out about her issues with the Light.
Treason - Drustai helped the Horde against the Alliance during her capture in order to save her own skin.
Murder - As a death knight under the Lich King, Drustai's hands have become very bloody, even though it was unintentional. This isn't counting the war with the Horde, which would make that number skyrocket.
Harm - She is prone to violence when angered.
Exploitation - She creates and subjugates elemental servants, treating them as slaves.
Treachery - Drustai will deceive others for her own gain when she feels she cannot get what she wants honestly.
Deception - See above. She does lie, especially to non-draenei.
Insult - She is rife with it towards those she is angry with or believes inferior.
Spreading Ill Rumors - She tends to badmouth those she is angry with/doesn't like.
Debauchery - Since Exaythe said sexual deviancy goes in this section. (from when Drustai was still alive)
Fornication - A lot of it, when she was still alive.
Hatred - Orcs, enough said.
Jealousy - Drustai is a perfectionist. She is greatly envious of those with skills she does not possess.
Arrogance - She believes she alone knows what is best for herself and her people, and sees many others (especially other races) as inferior.
Selfishness - Quite.
Lust - Very much so, when she was still alive.
Luxury - She absolutely despises the current draenei humbleness. She always dresses in very fine and expensive clothing and surrounds herself with extravagant things.
Vanity - Excessively so. She has used magic to alter her body, and currently uses an illusion to hide her undead state along with plenty of perfume to hide the smell.
Flirting - Even as undead, she cannot help but flirt sometimes, even if it does not go anywhere.
Intoxication - Used to drink often before becoming undead. Is also addicted to arcane magic.
Treating with Prejudice - Other races.
Wishing Harm - Orcs, demons, other non-draenei races, people she doesn't like.
Thinking Poorly - She can't help it.
Concealing the Truth - She tends to hide information or use half-truths if she doesn't want someone else to know something.


... Drustai is a very bad draenei.

Sanara is;

-Criminal (iniquity): an individual who breaks the laws of the community by committing minor crimes such as, but not limited to theft or fraud.

Sanara is Chaotic Good and frequently considers laws to be "vague guidelines" if they somehow impede her ability to do what she thinks is the Light's will, or just the right thing to do.

-Meddler (infringement): a member of another race meddling in human affairs and trying to direct the cause of humanity.

Sanara believes it is the Draenei's holy duty to educate the inferior races in the ways of the Light. She's probably right to do so, but then this list doesn't take that into account!

Sympathy - showing pity or sympathy towards those who are undoubtedly guilty of offenses against the Light. Those who show sympathy to a known sinner are themselves guilty of all the sins!

She's a Draenei. She really can't help it.

Assistance - helping a man known to be guilty with anything whatsoever. Those who transgress against the Light must find no shelter or succor from any faithful man - to aid them, is to be guilty of their crimes.

See above.

Corrupting: leading another into sin

Only sins as defined by the Chapterians, though. But yeah, Sanara has a thing for innocent young adult girls.

Murder: taking life of another sentient creature

Chaotic Good. Also, orcs don't count or it's no fair.

Harm: bringing harm upon another sentient being

As above.

Disobedience: gainsaying your superiors when they speak in their proper station

Guilty both by virtue of being a Draenei (who rarely allow foolishness to transpire regardless of rank demands) and by virtue of being an arrogant bastard who thinks she's always right.

Subjugation: forcing another sentient being into bondage and dependency

Of the purely non-sexual, sinful kind, she often takes matters into her own hands to punish those who commit transgressions with manual labour. Like Exaythe. Several times now.

Theft: showing disrespect to another one’s possessions by seizing or damaging them without consent

Among other things, smashing Exaythe's harp, and sending her comrades to burn books - that were, admittedly, Unholy Twilight writings, but still.

Adultery: intimacy with anybody outside of current wedlock
Debauchery: excessive servitude of your own desires
Fornication: intimacy outside of wedlock
Lust: obsession with bodily desires
Flirting: flirting with another for fun, and with no pure and serious intentions
Frolicking: indulging in leisure and recreation when duties are not fulfilled
Attachment: an attachment to another person so strong that it distracts from the Light

These "sins" define Sanara...

Insult: harming another’s feelings with unguarded speech[i]

Chaotic Good. Good does not mean "Nice".

[i]Arrogance: obsession with assumed greatness of your own ego

She's pretty confident in the fact that she is godlike in her wisdom and power.

Luxury: attachment to material wealth beyond what is functional and neat

Yes. Just... yes.

Vanity: obsession with the outward appearance

Forty-thousand years and a figure like a pornstar. That doesn't come naturally, and she's very keen on keeping it.

All things considered, Sanara's just decadent. Still probably guilty of less than the average Chapterian.. or any other Light disciple <.<

Drefurion wrote:*Edit: Uh graverobbery, or general desecration of graves is a sin too, right?

Sacrilege.

In this thread, who has the biggest sin-peen.

You should read the sins as a Chapterian would. There are sins that are DAMNED SINFUL, there are those that are sinful, those that are not really actually -that- sinful and those that are not sinful at all!

For instance, murdering a follower of the Light is DAMNED SINFUL!
Murdering a member of the Alliance is sinful
Murdering a criminal (execution) is not really, actually -that- sinful
Murdering an orc is not sinful at all!

[Bluff] Drustai, if you jump into the pyre and testify your faith in the Light, you will be reborn as a living creature again, and the Light will wash away your sins! *1d20+15............34!*

From what I see, Sanara actually manages to be a 'bad girl' without doing anything outrageously criminal. She is just an old, vain, dirty whore!!!! So as long as she keeps her dirtiness to other Draenei only, Chapter actually won't mind. If she meddles too much, makes too many insults and disrespects Stormwind's laws...they may try to kick her out of the Kingdom and tell her "Never, EVER return....or ELSE!"

And for Sorayah...she manages to be pretty 'pure' sinwise as far as I gather. So let us assume she is guilty of minor, understandible sins. And she is obviously a heathen and an infidel. If she likes the Chapter, the Chapter can pull a piece of doctrine that states that other races cannot -really- be enlightened untill the Light sends them a prophet. So she is cool....as long as it fits the Chapter!

Exaythe wrote:Actually, no. It would be mighty unfair of the Light to make you be born a non-human....AND then punish you for that, now wouldn't it?

I can think of a fair few world religions that do just that.

I'll re-read this when I'm not so tired and compile a list for Genevieve. To cut a long story short, Exaythe, when I said I'd be back in sixty seconds last night I locked myself out of my flat and decided to spend a night on the streets of Birmingham rather than bother anyone. Worthwile experiance!

The fine Baron has engaged in activities including (but not limited to):

Blasphemy, transgression, faithlessness, iniquity, corrupting, witchcraft, betrayal, oathbreaking.

He has also indulged in several sins, such as:

Conduction, Soulsnatching, Misotheism, Witchcraft, Self-righteousness, Intellectual Arrogance, Corrupting, Apathy, Irreligious Behavior, Murder, Harm, Disobedience, Subjugation, Exploitation, Theft, Adultery, Treachery, Deception, Idleness, Insult, Mockery, Spreading Ill Rumors.

And a few minor ones (as in, things he do not regret):

Debauchery, Fornication, Jealousy, Arrogance, Selfishness, Luxury, Lust, Vanity, Flirting, Intoxication, Frolicking, Attachment, Self-expectation, Wishing Harm, Thinking Poorly, Concealing the Truth, Unhelpful deeds, Unhelpful speech, Unhelpful thoughts, Leisure.

But on the other hand he's polite and civilized. Impeccable table manners has to count for something, right?

Good table manners count for something indeed! *invites the Baron to 5 o'clock tea with the High Inquisitor, to discuss his crimes and his punishments*

And, poor Silfer has committed some of the worst sins on the list. If he ever wants to see Anethionean heaven (its very nice out there!), he would probably have to devote the rest of his life to purity and faith. Like sitting in a lonely room and illuminating holy librams, never leaving the abbey and only speaking for prayer. And wearing a blindfold every time he leaves his room!

Just out of curiosity; if there is an Anethionean heaven, is there a hell, too? And in that case, is there a Satan?

Thelos wrote:Just out of curiosity; if there is an Anethionean heaven, is there a hell, too? And in that case, is there a Satan?

They have the Anti-Anethion

If you are good, you get 'Embraced by the Light' and 'Watch over your friends and family from the here-after'. So it isn't a christian heaven, more of unity with the Divine

If you are bad, you don't get embraced by the light. Your soul ends up in the Twisting Nether where every demon that happens to pass by can have his way with it.

Exaythe wrote:
If you are bad, you don't get embraced by the light. Your soul ends up in the Twisting Nether where every demon that happens to pass by can have his way with it.

...That doesn't sound too bad.

Succubi are demons, right?

Exaythe wrote:Good table manners count for something indeed! *invites the Baron to 5 o'clock tea with the High Inquisitor, to discuss his crimes and his punishments*

And, poor Silfer has committed some of the worst sins on the list. If he ever wants to see Anethionean heaven (its very nice out there!), he would probably have to devote the rest of his life to purity and faith. Like sitting in a lonely room and illuminating holy librams, never leaving the abbey and only speaking for prayer. And wearing a blindfold every time he leaves his room!

5 o'clock tea? Splendid! No milk, no sugar, but a slice of lemon if you'd be so kind.

But if he isolates himself from the world, how is he supposed to right the wrongs he has committed? Is it not more prudent to actively seek forgiveness, instead of praying for it? And if it were the lights will that he should never again view the beauty of the world, would it not have blinded him with the illuminating rays of the sun?

Nope! Light can't do miracles on its own. There is no miracle unless mediated by a believer! /doctrine

And, for some people it is just TOO DANGEROUS to go and actively right their wrongs. How can you be fighting evil and facing off corruption when your own soul is tainted with fel? You would be tempted by everything!