New Idea-need help

Organization
The Stormwind People's Party is an organization led, composed of and working on behalf of the Stormwind commoners. His organization is simple, but effective:
A Chairman, the head of the Party and his spokesman.
A few Advisers, the Chairman's most trusted cooperators.
Some Agitators, those experienced individuals appointed with overlooking on the activists' work.
A wide range of Militants, appointed with actively spreading the Party's words through speeches and demonstrations.

Ideal
The SPP is on the workers' side. His programatic points are few, but incisive.

Order; a Council led by nobles and warmongers will never work for the people. That's why we want an assembly composed by representatives from the workers and the military and not greedy aristocrats, pursueing peace, freedom and work for everyone. The people will also have the chance to remove those found unfitting and propose those found trustworthy the elections to be held when required.
Security; all the several guard-like organizations have to be disbanded, and a new organization led, composed of and working on behalf of the commoners has to be created. Stormwind won't be left unguarded anymore because of some corrupt officers, and the workers' interest will be protected.
Peace; we want our soldiers to come home, and stop fighting wars which are not ours. If the nobles want to fight, they'd better do this on their own. Unless threatened, the people won't stand war campaigns made just to please some bored noble.

Membership
Given its popular, working-class background the SPP will be open to Humans, Gnomes and Dwarves only, for Elves and Draeneis are seen by many as strange, enigmatic and sometimes dangerous races; infact, the Old Alliance's values are what the SPP believes in.

Those willing to join the SPP will meet the one appointed with recruiting in the Party's headquarter. There, they'll answer some easy questions, fill a paper and sign it, and a membership card will be given to them. Written on the card there will be the few rules to be followed to be a proper SPP member: loyalty, courage, sacrifice and the like. Those found unworthy will be expelled, those found worthy will be promoted instead, or more important tasks will be given to them.

Activities
The SPP will be a militant and active organization, with the streets has its main battlefield. Its main activities will be:

Distribution of leaflets
Speeches
Pickets
Rallies
Patrols

If needed, the Party won't hesitate to phisically confront with those disturbing its activities, threatening its members or disgracing its city.

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Right thanks to Zinkle for doing that.
This was an idea myself and Joatrick had a while ago(helped by Zinkle), however it never really materialised into anything.

Basically this is a form of wow communist party, I am looking for some serious critique of the idea, not just 'lol no' statements.

However I would like to stress that this would provide fun rp and I would like it to be involved in some RP with the council. Perhaps even the council seeing one of meetings and banning us for agitation against the King. Similar to Bolsheviks being targeted by the Tzar. I would really like the idea of it being an underground movement, obiviously I don't intend on setting up the Soviet Socialist Republic of Stormwind, however the tension it might cause might force the council to crush these silly peasant ideas.

Also looking if anyone would be willing or interested in helping out.

And because commoners in Stormwind would probably not want to actually join the guild as such we would use GHI items etc to give out membership cards to supporters. The actual guild itself would be quite small.

However I do not have wow time at the mo and will not be coming back untill my exams are done around June 23rd.


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Would the party be willing to take donations from the horde to... euh... help?

Ohh I find this idea quite interesting, As a Socialist myself i think this could provide fun rp

What shame Gogol had to die, this would have fitted him like hand in glove.
A bit like House of Lords and Commons to, at least that's what first came to mind, in mine at least.

I love this idea.

My only niggling is I wish Blizz would pull their fingers out and explain how Stormwind actually works. Quests in Elwynn indicate all the farmers own their own land and keep the proceeds themselves. So it's not a feudal society. The army appears to be a meritocracy. And the House of Nobles and his Majesty have yet to have their role in Stormwind's 'constitution' explained.

I guess it really depends upon how people RP. I myself like to think of Stormwind as a feudal society with the King at the top...Followed by the aristocracy and the clergy, with everyone else slotting in further down. But considering how, shall we say, rude a lot of essential nobodies are to IC nobles a lot of people clearly don't think it is this way, and the lore tends to agree with them.

The above not withstanding, I do love the idea. One of my favourite RP 'events' was one that I only stumbled across by chance, <The Angry Peasants> took it upon themselves to riot in Old Town and infront of the Cathedral after the Seal lost guard rights.


The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyr'd dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high,
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here

Don't think it fits the setting to be honest.

Damn, my grammar sucks. I should have adjusted it before sending it.

Paragus wrote:Don't think it fits the setting to be honest.

To be clear, the programatic points are intentionally provocative and excessive, none intends to tear Stormwind apart. Infact, the party's "ideology" and background are just placeholders, I didn't put much efforts in them; what really interested me was creating a "mass" organization above guilds, gathering people from different groups (workers, guards, priests, soldiers etc.), as well as trying some union/party-style activities (big speeches, rallies, pickets and so on).

Osmand wrote:And because commoners in Stormwind would probably not want to actually join the guild as such we would use GHI items etc to give out membership cards to supporters. The actual guild itself would be quite small.

The membership card thing is supposed to let people from different guilds be part of the same project without leaving their guilds. I don't know if it's going to work, but it seemed to me like the best way to gather as much people as possible. A party without the "masses" behind it is just a book club, as I see it.

Geneviève wrote:I guess it really depends upon how people RP. I myself like to think of Stormwind as a feudal society with the King at the top...Followed by the aristocracy and the clergy, with everyone else slotting in further down.

That's how I see it too, especially after having seen what's going on in Westfall.

Geneviève wrote:The above not withstanding, I do love the idea. One of my favourite RP 'events' was one that I only stumbled across by chance, <The Angry Peasants> took it upon themselves to riot in Old Town and infront of the Cathedral after the Seal lost guard rights.

The Angry Peasants event has been really nice, yet a bit messy. Very ispirational anyway.

It's not that I'm afraid ye'd take over, it's just I don't see a party like this, or any political party existing in Stormwind, I don't get how ye can support the king yet be trying for that assembly.

Paragus wrote:It's not that I'm afraid ye'd take over, it's just I don't see a party like this, or any political party existing in Stormwind, I don't get how ye can support the king yet be trying for that assembly.

As I said before, those programatic points are just placeholders.

It doesnt need to be exactly codez, in history if the masses get pushed to far and have little to lose then das shit hits the fan. I love the idea more however if it is communist-ish!

Totally willing to help!

Paragus wrote:It's not that I'm afraid ye'd take over, it's just I don't see a party like this, or any political party existing in Stormwind, I don't get how ye can support the king yet be trying for that assembly.

Marx and Engels wrote their works during a period with autocratic kings ie Germany, russia etc etc. I don't believe that it would be out of the question that a theory such as socialism could be developed in WoW.

In a society were workers are at the bottom literally, It would only take so long before Ideas of equality and so on would be put forth

Paragus wrote:It's not that I'm afraid ye'd take over, it's just I don't see a party like this, or any political party existing in Stormwind, I don't get how ye can support the king yet be trying for that assembly.

As far as supporting the King, we don't mention supporting him.

Political parties only exist in parlimentary democracies. The idea of the 'party' is to be a movement for commoners.

May be changing Party for Faction is a better idea? Since party in its modern sense means party-politics and some form of non-monarchic government. As a faction you just be a group of people lobbying/threatening/blackmailing/pushing for certain reforms and representing particular interests

Exaythe wrote:May be changing Party for Faction is a better idea? Since party in its modern sense means party-politics and some form of non-monarchic government. As a faction you just be a group of people lobbying/threatening/blackmailing/pushing for certain reforms and representing particular interests

That's a good idea.

Dreth wrote:It doesnt need to be exactly codez, in history if the masses get pushed to far and have little to lose then das shit hits the fan. I love the idea more however if it is communist-ish!

A generic populistic, patriotic, pro-workers ideal would suit better a Stormwind commoner, as I see it. Consider also that Marxism in a pre-capitalistic society like WoW's, where there's hardly a "bourgeoisie" and absolutely no means of production to collectivize, wouldn't make much sense.

Zinkle Figgins wrote:

Exaythe wrote:May be changing Party for Faction is a better idea? Since party in its modern sense means party-politics and some form of non-monarchic government. As a faction you just be a group of people lobbying/threatening/blackmailing/pushing for certain reforms and representing particular interests

That's a good idea.

Dreth wrote:It doesnt need to be exactly codez, in history if the masses get pushed to far and have little to lose then das shit hits the fan. I love the idea more however if it is communist-ish!

A generic populistic, patriotic, pro-workers ideal would suit better a Stormwind commoner, as I see it. Consider also that Marxism in a pre-capitalistic society like WoW's, where there's hardly a "bourgeoisie" and absolutely no means of production to collectivize, wouldn't make much sense.

Surely things like agriculture could be collectivized,
Actually is the land Privately owned in wow our is using a system of Landlords?

*EDIT: by privately owned I mean each farmer owns his land

It does seem to be a grey area of lore, however i very much doubt the farmers own their plots and just sell their surplus and life rich filled lives.

Thats what I would have imagined also, Freedom of the land could be called for etc.

Could provide fun RP. What baffles me though is this part:

I would really like the idea of it being an underground movement, obiviously I don't intend on setting up the Soviet Socialist Republic of Stormwind, however the tension it might cause might force the council to crush these silly peasant ideas.

I don't see how that would make sense considering the Council works for the people and their safety etc etc. See it as you like, but the Council is STILL not a group of nobles. Quite the opposite. The Council is made out of people that come from normal hard working families that worked their way up. People really get the wrong idea thinking the people in the Council are rich and aristocratic. The people in the Council earn nothing for being in the Council. It's literally volunteer work, each member in the Council have incomes through other means.

Edit: That is also why I believe a active House of Nobles would create a LOT of roleplay. Now that is something the Council would have quite strong "discussions" with considering the Council and the House of Nobles would be very very different.

Dreth, that's not a grey area in lore. It's enshrined in quests. There is more in game evidence for it than Calia Menethil.

As usual Julia I'd also argue that you're wrong. Everyone on the Council is either a knight, daughter of one, Lord, Lady, or non human.

Saihna/Julia wrote:Could provide fun RP. What baffles me though is this part:

I would really like the idea of it being an underground movement, obiviously I don't intend on setting up the Soviet Socialist Republic of Stormwind, however the tension it might cause might force the council to crush these silly peasant ideas.

I don't see how that would make sense considering the Council works for the people and their safety etc etc. See it as you like, but the Council is STILL not a group of nobles. Quite the opposite. The Council is made out of people that come from normal hard working families that worked their way up. People really get the wrong idea thinking the people in the Council are rich and aristocratic. The people in the Council earn nothing for being in the Council. It's literally volunteer work, each member in the Council have incomes through other means.

Well in relation to the council, they are indeed not Nobles ( I too would love to see a house of nobles). They would be comparible to how say a communist would say a parliment. It does not represent ordinary people, it is a council of richer people than a normal worker. The view a party member would hold would simply be that they are part of the problem.

Also with the view we would take on war, you would be all warmongers and betraying the working people. I wouldn't see my local TD(MP) as working for working people. As such my IC view would be the council would not represent the wishes of the majority, the working class(true or untrue).

And people are always going to think of the council as above them and rich/aspirant nobles etc, regardless of whether they are going to be paid or not. (again true or untrue)

maybe the idea of "villageisation" in the country side, ie the land about a village + the shops and buildings in the village are owned by the state, the villagers in theory work the land, use the shops to distribute the food/send food to SW and the towns. City wise maybe promise the people lower taxes, house for everyone, representation. If we go for communism tho SW is kinda useless to us other than as a political hub and a harbour. No industry or value added to the state otherwise.

As a name how about SWPF (SW peoples faction)

The idea is to let more people enjoy political RP (holding speeches, organizing rallies etc.), not to damage the Council.

Geneviève wrote:Dreth, that's not a grey area in lore. It's enshrined in quests. There is more in game evidence for it than Calia Menethil.

As usual Julia I'd also argue that you're wrong. Everyone on the Council is either a knight, daughter of one, Lord, Lady, or non human.

Tbh i just do the quests and dont read the bumph.... dont hurt me!

Geneviève wrote:As usual Julia I'd also argue that you're wrong. Everyone on the Council is either a knight, daughter of one, Lord, Lady, or non human.

The only Lord we have is Elegost. Other then that we don't have any knights or lords/ladies in the Council.