Re: RP Confessions

by **Grim** Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:18 pm

The Alliance is full of people who think the council actually means anything and try to impose it. From personal experience, I can also say it's full of people who go "I can do what I want because I RP for fun", which usually involves lorebreaking, power emoting, breaking the 4th wall to make 'funny' comments, etc. Now I know there must be those people on Horde, but holy fuck there's a lot on Alliance.

I'd say it's a matter of finding the right guild, but truth be told there isn't a guild pretentious enough on Alliance to deny the most annoying, destructive kind of people, and most guilds seem to go in a cycle of a new (or old returning) GM saying "I'll allow these people in the guild because it's unfair to judge" or something similar, and then down the line those people wear them down so much by simply existing until they give up completely and the guild flounders or dies.

The Band of the Brave is something you may consider, as I'm likely a lot more arrogant than you, but I very much like it there under Rinoi. Otherwise, stay Horde until someone makes an Alliance guild with a "No stupid people allowed" rule.

I'm content on Horde side, I just occasionally think I'd like to RP my worgen character. I know of BotB, having history with the first two GMs of the guild. Maybe next time I get the itch to be a worgen I'll look for you.

by **Clarke** Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:20 pm

TBH, you should make a debate thread on General Chat.

by **Amaryl** Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:32 pm

Kittrina wrote:Tbh Vaell I think you've hit the nail on the head of a part of why I and others have issue with it, any morality or personal distaste etc aside....it's fine for the victim and attacker in that scenario if they're down with it. But everyone else in that tavern will also have to react and be involved in some manner from that point on. Rape plots always draw in others and unless you have the courtesy to check with literally everybody involved it's very possible you'll stir up some very unpleasant emotions and memories.

For example...one time a while ago I was having a completely unrelated formal talk with Braiden on Kitt. In bursts a ranting Arathorian raving about how he hadn't sentenced somebody in particular harshly enough for rape....then going into graphic description of what had happened to the victim, how dare he, etc. Essentially hijacking the rp into somebody else's rape plot.

That's the issue, the ripple effect. It means people like myself who find rape plots HUGELY personally difficult to deal with come into contact with the threads of the plot including graphic content months afterwards. Unless you're extending some sort of 'are you okay with this sort of content' to anyone possibly involved it becomes a very nasty mess.

I'm not saying I disagree with you here Kitt, but isn't this the case for basically any and all RP? Selective blindness, is a key aspect for Roleplaying in the community with diverse opinions on basically everything. I.E: just because someone engages in an aspect of RP you disagree with, doesn't mean you have to ignore them in RP in every other situation. And yes that means saying fuck off, and fuck you to various people and bow out of RP in some aspects. with some people.

That is, until it is clear that someone's RP is focussed around one particular thing, then you just shut him out entirely. But the Ripple effect, is just yeah, i'm bowing out for now. See you when this isn't an issue anymore.

by **nope** Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:53 pm

Furenia Krast wrote:I'm just sitting here, reading how everyone is utterly disgusted about forced sexual intercourse in RP and how they want to kill the person commiting the crime in the worst possible way, while me and my guild flayed a worgen yesterday before cutting his head off - and it was not done DM style. The worgen was an actual IC guild member who is now dead (He agreed on it).

I hope the flaying stuff wasn't emoted outside an instanced spot/raidchat at least - I've seen guild reputation tank when enough edgy stuff got in public viewing. and then it had a sort of downspiral effect where all these edgies joined and did edgy stuff and the guild was liek "we're not all like that" but the damage was kinda done, also accidently'ing across "lol bob misplaced his skin better get a new one at Argos detailsgoredetails" sucks

confession stuff: I keep finding characters pretty/whatever when I get enough investment in them, it's like "goddamnit i hacked off all your extremities this is like finding voldemort physically appealing go home"

also I think I dreamed about Luverne being buried with a young person (they were already dead before anyone asks) unless it was someone else idk I remember skeletal hands and fancy white grave items and it was sunny/by a fence + there was trees, should've typed shit down before I woke up properly and forgot everything.

I'm not even sure if it was him being buried now fuck. Neutral

also sometimes I like to listen to music and picture characters jumping about punching stuff like they're in an anime stupid inner 12 year old stop having fun

by **Lexgrad** Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:55 pm

I dont think I can reply without getting a mob on me XD

Just for Vaells point however, I genuinely believe there is a real empathy gap regarding some victims over others. I cant understand how someone can feel terrible over a child being run over and then just be "millions of Men died in ww1, that's a shame." That was my point really, I dont understand why we dont feel as much about a trucker who dies at the wheel than we do about a child who dies under a vehicle.

As for Amaryl, one point I really would like to agree with is that I hate it too when people rofl over npcs like it doesnt matter. Media that doesnt show the results is more or less just glorification. Think of all the goons 007 has ganked, you never see their families or w/e. Those goons are just like the npcs, something to kill cos it buffs our chars, really poor story telling.

If you want to kill stuff then it has to matter.

by **Lyniath** Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:02 pm

Lexgrad wrote:
As for Amaryl, one point I really would like to agree with is that I hate it too when people rofl over npcs like it doesnt matter. Media that doesnt show the results is more or less just glorification. Think of all the goons 007 has ganked, you never see their families or w/e. Those goons are just like the npcs, something to kill cos it buffs our chars, really poor story telling.

If you want to kill stuff then it has to matter.

I think that's why I actually tend to -play- more "mob" faction characters. If I get even the slightest hint that they're just genuine people trying to do what they thing is right (no matter how "warped" that view of right may be), or that they have families or lives, I actually like can't make myself kill them without feeling like shit. That's pretty dumb when you think about how it's just some throwaway, insignificant mob in an MMO that'll respawn in like 5 minutes.

by **Lexgrad** Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:09 pm

Well maybe I overstate things. Like rofling through a questing zone is fine. If it is some action rambo movie, it like barely has a plot and that is kinda ok. Just RP is far more immersive and people should respect death more imo, for reasons of RP and for reasons of compassion/doing justice to the story of others.

by **Allonia_Miral** Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:25 pm

I confess that it always bothers me a bit, in those time periods where the CC is the main rp hub. I mean, none of my characters have a legit reason to go hang out with the guards. The guards who would probably just kick them out anyway, since they have no business there.

by **siegmund** Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:28 pm

I mean, none of my characters have a legit reason to go hang out with the guards.

I'm sure some of the guards would love to "hang out" with Virra (But mostly hang her)

by **Allonia_Miral** Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:29 pm

Nooooo D:

by **Ralegh** Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:10 pm

Allonia_Miral wrote: mean, none of my characters have a legit reason to go hang out with the guards.

Something that oddly enough, has never ever stopped half of all criminal rpers from standing around and going "Sup?" all the time.

by **Lyniath** Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:34 pm

There are so few citizen role players in stormwind, so every large group gathering ends up as like 30℅ guards 70% criminals

by **Arabella Greene** Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:03 pm

Lyniath wrote:There are so few citizen role players in stormwind, so every large group gathering ends up as like 30℅ guards 70% criminals

Hmmm, that's what I tried to combat with my guild.
But then I found the citizen RP tons more interesting than the Vigilante side of the guild.
Then I turned Redridge into a mini Citizen RP hub.
But then we started getting meta gamed by certain guilds just happening to show up in Lakeshire "In case of suspicious activity."

-Le sigh-

Plus I saw too much RP on the alliance side that was...not going to lie, totally retarded. So I've been put off RP and barely log in.
I feel sorry for my guild.
But then again, the only person who I didn't already have on skype/talk to most days, that logged in regularly was Demurral.

So thank you so much Demurral for your lovely RP that I had with Kelten. I really did cherish the citizen RP we had and I can only apologise on suddenly giving up without a word to you. :'(

by **Demurral** Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:35 pm

Oh, Arabella, you vixen.
Though, it good to see that keeping my characters grounded, with all of the flaws and strengths of real people, their desires, fears and hopes all fleshed out really helps others to enjoy RP with me. So, its always good to get some feedback about it. (I should note, though, Demurral is an... odd exception in certain cases. Got to allow his madness to affect him differently in certain cases.)

by **Lexgrad** Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:51 pm

I got a confession, i'm in a cult guild Razz

by **Lyniath** Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:51 pm

Arabella Greene wrote:
-Le sigh-

Plus I saw too much RP on the alliance side that was...not going to lie, totally retarded. So I've been put off RP and barely log in.
I feel sorry for my guild.
But then again, the only person who I didn't already have on skype/talk to most days, that logged in regularly was Demurral.

Yeah, I've found that when I just do more close-knit RP with old friends it's a hell of a lot better than ever trying to find RP out in the open with randomers, since yeah - there's SO much fucking idiotic RP.

by **Ixirar** Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:07 am

I'm willing to bet if we find 10 people complaining about idiotic RP at least one of them will be talking about one of the other 9. Stop being pretentious twats lmfao you're probably all shit.

by **Lyniath** Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:21 am

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I'm willing to bet if we find 10 people complaining about idiotic RP at least one of them will be talking about one of the other 9. Stop being pretentious twats lmfao you're probably all shit.

Loving the irony of calling out people for whining about shit people as being shit people.

by **Ixirar** Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:57 am

There'd be loads of irony for you to gloat over if I was claiming that I was any better myself. Or if I was taking part in that kind of pretentious circlejerking. I'm not, though.

All RPers on Defias Brotherhood, including me, are shit at what they do. The sooner everybody realises this, the sooner you'll realise what a fucking twat you look like when you boohoo about being unable to RP in stormwind because of idiotic RP.

by **Swan Emperor Arenfel** Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:45 am

Jesus christ just chill.

by **Skaraa** Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:48 am

Everyone are shit roleplayers? But...but... what about Grim? I like Grim. QQ
Razz

by **Lexgrad** Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:07 am

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:There'd be loads of irony for you to gloat over if I was claiming that I was any better myself. Or if I was taking part in that kind of pretentious circlejerking. I'm not, though.

All RPers on Defias Brotherhood, other than Lex, are shit at what they do. The sooner everybody realises this, the sooner you'll realise what a fucking twat you look like when you boohoo about being unable to RP in stormwind because of idiotic RP.

I agree.

by **Skaraa** Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:19 am

[bIxirar/Kavalis wrote:[b]

There'd be loads of irony for you to gloat over if I was claiming that I was any better myself. Or if I was taking part in that kind of pretentious circlejerking. I'm not, though.

[B]All RPers on Defias Brotherhood are shit at what they do.[b] The sooner everybody realises this, the sooner you'll realise what a fucking twat you look like when you boohoo about being unable to RP in stormwind because of idiotic RP.

Everyone are shit roleplayers? But...but... what about Grim? I like Grim. QQ
Razz

As far as I can tell, based on what was said previously as well (the point made about only people payed to RP can comment on good/bad RP, a few days back). This appears to be a very crude argument from authority.

I disagree, and not just because it is a logical fallacy. :p

Can you explain exactly your reasoning for the point in bold? I'm genuinely curious. Smile

by **Tobias Redeye** Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:21 am

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I'm willing to bet if we find 10 people complaining about idiotic RP at least one of them will be talking about one of the other 9.

Unfortunatly.

We should all be friends <3

by **Ixirar** Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:46 am

Skaraa wrote:
Can you explain exactly your reasoning for the point in bold? I'm genuinely curious.

That because there's no way to quantify RP quality, the only 2 ways to objectively say that rp is good is if either nobody thinks it's bad, or if somebody thinks it's good. If we go by the first, no rp is good. There will always be one person who thinks it's bad. If we go by the latter, all rp must be good, since presumably the rper themself must approve of the rp they're doing. The third way is by peer pressure and means that the majority has authority to bully what they perceive as bad RPers to make them conform to the ways of the flock. I don't consider that an option.

Basically it's the age old argument of "let those of you without sin be the first to throw their rocks". If you have the authority to determine that my rp is idiotic, then Lexgrad has the authority to determine that so is yours. The act of condemning rp because you think it's idiotic is based on hypocrisy and it can't be rationally justified unless you can objectively quantify the quality of someone's rp. Thus, for one person's rp to be idiotic, everybody's rp has to be idiotic.

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