Re: RP Confessions

by **Skaraa** Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:43 am

I don't recall dreaming about being my character so much as dreaming the WoW ui associated with them. Or dreaming about playing them as it were.
I also don't think there is anything to be embarrassed about if you have, I don't really consider dreams as having an real deep meaning (or don't find the evidence for it compelling).
That being said, I know there are (perhaps mildly Freudian) people who do think dreams are deeply meaningful, and fair enough I'll agree to disagree.

Let us assume for a moment, however, that dreams have some kind of deep psychological meaning. What would it really say about you to be dreaming about a character of your own creation in a fantasy world?
We all have a connection to our toons, firstly in the sense of the connection you make to any other TV/book character and secondly in that you created it and it probably contains some aspect of your own personality. In addition to the fact that when playing/acting your character, you take on their persona just as an actor would in a film.

Thus, you are rather used to 'being' your character in the figurative sense. And therefore, I don't consider that dreaming about being them would be all that strange.
Besides, it's a fantasy world and probably a favourite hobby of yours; what's wrong with dreaming about living it? ^^

by **Arabella Greene** Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:37 pm

Well it would make sense. I am an actor.

by **Lexgrad** Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:34 pm

Amaryl wrote:I have never dreamt being my characters, since they're pretty horrible people living in a pretty horrible world.

So all your chars are self-inserts?

by **Littlepip** Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:50 pm

It's been a while since I dreamed that I was one of my characters, I doubt I will ever remember what it was about, all I remember was walking around in a Stormwind that was completely desolate, yelling characters names yet never receiving a response from anyone.

Whenever I roleplay (or OOC) it feels like no one gives two flying ducks about what I'm trying to do. In those cases I like to pretend it doesn't bother me, but in truth I usually get this feeling of emptiness. I should probably start a career in acting, I could make myself look happy even if the world were ending while my body were slowly being ripped apart by a nuclear wave of Trolls and Haters.

by **Grim** Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:21 pm

How melodramatic

by **Amaryl** Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:15 pm

Lexgrad wrote:
Amaryl wrote:I have never dreamt being my characters, since they're pretty horrible people living in a pretty horrible world.

So all your chars are self-inserts?

I'm a completely different horrible person, living in a horrible world. Razz

by **The Great Jack Ironside** Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:01 pm

Thorvald wrote:Whenever I roleplay (or OOC) it feels like no one gives two flying ducks about what I'm trying to do. In those cases I like to pretend it doesn't bother me, but in truth I usually get this feeling of emptiness. I should probably start a career in acting, I could make myself look happy even if the world were ending while my body were slowly being ripped apart by a nuclear wave of Trolls and Haters.

by **nope** Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:36 pm

Can we not do the snarky shit pls, OP already said a page or three back that they didn't want that.

confession stuff: I sometimes find the contrast between in-setting laws and player-made ones pretty jarring. I get that the realistic approach would mean more characters executed/exiled, which is pretty dull when you don't have a steady group somewhere to do the exile thing with, but I think it's playing a part in the Stormwind cops-and-robbers chase stuff losing its' appeal to me. I'll still join in occassionally because oh look public Rp, I think I'm just more chill about it if I don't hang around to see the legal verdict/sentencingwhatever.

also getting comments on art of my characters is like "aww yiss I feel like a 12 year old with a sanic OC right now MY PICTURE IS WORTHY OF THE FRIDGE" it's nice.

by **Lexgrad** Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:13 pm

I have a confession which is linked to Nope's. I sometimes wish that we could kill people IC regardless of if they want it or not.

by **nope** Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:26 pm

Shit can get pretty frustrating but it's best to walk away and not try to killstab anyone. As much as it'd make sense for some characters to die/not show their face in public again/go on the naughty step, it kind of sucks for the player when a character becomes unplayable. I've did the exile shit before and got kinda bored because if you don't have some active guild/hub outside the main city you're generally relying on friends most of the time and may not get as much new faces into stuff.

I found stuff got more fun when I wasn't trying to guide people towards going to jail or going /e THERE IS FUCKN NPC GUARDS THERE WTF ARE YOU DOIGN GO 2 JAIL or whateverthefuck and just walked away to an extent.

also if you kill them they will rezz and come back noooo

by **Groshnok** Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:41 pm

Lexgrad wrote:I have a confession which is linked to Nope's. I sometimes wish that we could kill people IC regardless of if they want it or not.

I remember a confession near the start of this thread, about people who back themselves into a corner and refuse to accept that there's consequences to their actions. I have to agree that there's a point if an RPer does certain things that cause massive consequences they should not be able to lolnope slip out of there unharmed.

by **Lexgrad** Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:49 pm

Yeah I never have like tried to force shit ic. Like I have seen people be like "/e places gun to face and fires" to try and make it unavoidable. I have sometimes /w people i know (not randoms) and tried to like "advise" that it is like the only logical and honourable course of action open to them now is to take a death.

I mean it does suck to lose a main but most of us have done it and are fine. Just reroll and start again and dont hang on and ruin a scene. I do think the "I decide when I die" rule can so quickly be abused and become a plot shield. I always took it that the I decide RP rule was so you dont get one shot from lvl 1s.

by **Officer High Morale** Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:37 am

Lexgrad wrote:I have a confession which is linked to Nope's. I sometimes wish that we could kill people IC regardless of if they want it or not.

I had that back a day or two, when some elf suddenly attacked my character for no real reason

by **siegmund** Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:18 am

Man those darn elves.

These days I'm having too much fun with the reflection prism to think about RP.

by **Skaraa** Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:45 am

I agree largely with the above. I've killed off characters before because the situation realistically called for it.
It isn't the end of the world. But in fairness, few situations call for a character death. There are ways and means to work around those kinds of issues. But if you're playing an antagonist character (or directly putting yourself in a situation where you're at the mercy of one) then you need to be mature and realise when is the right time to call it and take serious consequences. Be it death, exile, or wounds that leave you down for the count for a prolonged period of time.

It is a shame that there are people out there who are so adverse to having their character injured or killed. It is like reading a book backwards; when you already know the outcome, the drama becomes meaningless - there's no real risk anymore.

by **Amaryl** Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:11 am

Lexgrad wrote: I always took it that the I decide RP rule was so you dont get one shot from lvl 1s.

OMG!! MAN THERE ARE NO LVLS IN ARP.

The problem I have with the people that think others should die/able to kill others is. Who are you to decide if that is the only reasonable course of action left? Why should everyone cater to your opinion of propriety? Do you think you're god's gift to RP and others should bask in your divine knowledge and wisdom?

Seriously fuck you. I'll decide what's appropriate and fun for me. Most of you are idiots and hypocrites and jerks, just like me. But most of all we're all selfish when it comes to RP. Few people think - well that's the coolest, most fun, most awesome result from this RP conflict for Both of us, and both of our story-lines and characters. No, most of us only think of what's cool for my character, and my RP and my storyline, making everyone else just a necessary prop. Which is exactly why we are all the masters of our own fate. To prevent people with stupid ideas to muck up our enjoyment of the game.

by **Muzjhath** Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:41 am

And the last few posts is why I enjoy role play with game masters so much more. Then you have a base of things you follow and if a game master (or the) says "You done dumb! You dead!" well, can't argue. (Or well, you can. But it is generally pointless and in my experiences game masters tend to be nice yet fair and try to avoid deaths if in any way reasonable).
Hopefully you enjoyed it up until that point =D

by **Adry** Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:47 am

Muzjhath wrote:And the last few posts is why I enjoy role play with game masters so much more. Then you have a base of things you follow and if a game master (or the) says "You done dumb! You dead!" well, can't argue. (Or well, you can. But it is generally pointless and in my experiences game masters tend to be nice yet fair and try to avoid deaths if in any way reasonable).
Hopefully you enjoyed it up until that point =D

It's fun to play like this, but WoW really doesn't lend itself to the format. The GM has absolutely no authority, and all the decisions will be entirely arbitrary, seeing as there is no stat system to be rolled with. Of course, one could always insist on everyone conforming to one- having everyone in a guild making a D&D style character sheet or something. But the vast, vast majority of WoW RPers aren't interested in that at all, so here really isn't the place.

by **Muzjhath** Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:56 am

You don't need a set sheet or anything for a game master. You just need a consensus of "these people are GMs". Lots of free-form happening all over with only arbitrary rule being rock-paper-sissors and GMs/Storytellers word.
Which admittedly doesn't work in an open area like public WoW RP.
While I enjoyed most talky RP I had in WoW I think the lack of it made me get bored of non-social conflict RP in the game.

So yea, thinking you need rigidity for a game master is kinda dumb =D. Find a LARP without a GM team who can't instantly banish someone who acts like a total ass and ruins other peoples fun.
Still, as I said. I get where you're coming from. And getting a consensus of it is impossible in an open system and closing it so you need to ask to get in would ruin how online RP works in WoW.

by **nope** Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:17 pm

[quote="Amaryl"]

Lexgrad wrote:
Seriously fuck you. I'll decide what's appropriate and fun for me. Most of you are idiots and hypocrites and jerks, just like me.

Yeeah I don't really understand going "who are you to decide what is badrp" only to go "most rpers are bads".

Has the same effect on me as the people who keep going "omg everyone doin badrp", I just want to avoid the person in question because who's to say I don't fall under their definition of badrp/annoying hypocrite person or whatever?

by **Ixirar** Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:34 pm

nope wrote:
Amaryl wrote:
Lexgrad wrote:
Seriously fuck you. I'll decide what's appropriate and fun for me. Most of you are idiots and hypocrites and jerks, just like me.

Yeeah I don't really understand going "who are you to decide what is badrp" only to go "most rpers are bads".

Has the same effect on me as the people who keep going "omg everyone doin badrp", I just want to avoid the person in question because who's to say I don't fall under their definition of badrp/annoying hypocrite person or whatever?

The point he's making is that since we're all mostly bad, none of us has any claim to any moral highground. Lexgrad saying that the "You decide your own death" rule was mostly in place to avoid being 1shot by unreasonable idiots (paraphrasing) but then turning around to say that he wishes he could kill people against their will makes him an unreasonable idiot and a hypocrite. The idea of good and bad RP is toxic as hell and should be abolished. By all likelyhood, if we were to try and quantify the quality of RP on Defias Brotherhood, since all of us are amateurs (ie. nobody here is getting paid to do good RP) we must assume that all of us lack the skill at RPing required to actually become professional RPers, thus nobody has any claim to calling their own RP any better than anybody else's. The only quantifiable dive below the flock you can make, in my opinion, is if your RP strays from or conflicts with rigid rules within the game and/or its lore.

If you want to kill people that deserve it but also don't want other people to kill you against your will, you're a hypocrite. If you go around casting judgment on other people for being bad RPers while your RP strays at all in any way from the game's or the world's rules, you're a hypocrite. If you think you're above the flock, odds are you're below it. Go sit in your ivory tower, the flock doesn't need you. The flock is better off without you. Not for your RP; for your attitude.

by **Amaryl** Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:34 pm

I do not make statements of good or bad RP. I loathe that, because this quality of RP is all subjective - and trying to enforce your subjective opinion on the Right way to RP on others is being a fucking jerk, and idiot and hypocrite. Which again, I lug myself in as well. There is absolutely no reflection on quality of RP in any of my statements, because for everyone on this forum except Drustai: Enjoyment and fun is the number one reason we RP.

And all these opinions are based on: "If you follow this course of action, my fun increases or my frustration decreases" Especially when it comes to the supposed necessary consequences of the actions of your antagonists.

From which we can only derive a single statement, namely: Fuck your fun, mine is more important.

Making most of us all Jerks, idiots and hypocrites.

Hiding this under the justification of what is Good or Bad RP just pisses me off, whenever this opinion comes up. I mean when we understand our own motivations we can hopefully come to a point where we can increase our own fun, but not at the expense of our antagonists.

And shedding the idea that what someone else does is bad RP, is the first step.

by **nope** Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:59 pm

@Ixirar: I don't want contact with you, please stop messaging me/trying to engage me in conversation.

Amaryl wrote:I do not make statements of good or bad RP. I loathe that, because this quality of RP is all subjective - and trying to enforce your subjective opinion on the Right way to RP on others is being a fucking jerk, and idiot and hypocrite. Which again, I lug myself in as well. There is absolutely no reflection on quality of RP in any of my statements, because for everyone on this forum except Drustai: Enjoyment and fun is the number one reason we RP.

And all these opinions are based on: "If you follow this course of action, my fun increases or my frustration decreases" Especially when it comes to the supposed necessary consequences of the actions of your antagonists.

From which we can only derive a single statement, namely: Fuck your fun, mine is more important.

Making most of us all Jerks, idiots and hypocrites.

Hiding this under the justification of what is Good or Bad RP just pisses me off, whenever this opinion comes up. I mean when we understand our own motivations we can hopefully come to a point where we can increase our own fun, but not at the expense of our antagonists.

And shedding the idea that what someone else does is bad RP, is the first step.

I get that you're not making an Rp quality judgement, it just felt weird to see a personality/trait judgement of a lot of people in the same paragraph I guess. Idk, I always thought the people actively pushing for "no you must die" were bad rpers in a sense because they were trying to control others/generally making a mess.

by **Iriel Silversong** Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:19 pm

I mean who cares? We come to rp for fun.. and decide whos good or bad rp, what the .... This discussion is so boring... to be honest.. Pointless.

by **siegmund** Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:09 pm

If someone wants to RP a Dragon-vampire-supersexy model legion spy who can't die I may laugh, i may cringe, i may raise a army of turkeys, i may point it out in one way or another. In the end they will do it if they will want to do it. Everyone has their own opinion on things some may be the same and you can't really force it on people.

That's why I just say it's silly/stupid/(insert a word) and move on more or less.

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