RP Confessions

"Do you think you're god's gift to RP and others should bask in your divine knowledge and wisdom?"

Yes, actually. I do. :p

But in all seriousness:

"But most of all we're all selfish when it comes to RP. Few people think - well that's the coolest, most fun, most awesome result from this RP conflict for Both of us, and both of our story-lines and characters. No, most of us only think of what's cool for my character, and my RP and my storyline, making everyone else just a necessary prop. Which is exactly why we are all the masters of our own fate. To prevent people with stupid ideas to muck up our enjoyment of the game."

I got into RP through D&D, and I consider myself a DM - a storyteller - above all else. That is why I run a guild; I create stories for other people to enjoy, and my character is a prop - someone with authority to set the scene IC, but who fades into the background when decisions on 'how are we going to do this' are made (though I do give prompts, because I want people to have fun and most people enjoying winning).
So no, I reject your idea that all RPers are selfishly only interested in the story of their own characters. People who put effort into producing storylines should be doing it for the exact opposite reason - something I have bitched and commented about elsewhere.

And yes, I do believe that I am entitled to establish a standard of what I consider to be 'good' RP. Yes, it is subjective; but so it also would be subjective if produced by someone 'paid' to RP - whatever that might entail.
I consider good RP to 1. maximise the enjoyment of everyone; therefore no godmoding, metagaming, or marysueing.
And 2. To remain within the constraints of the game world and lore universe; because if my Blackrock Mountain is your Mount Doom, our interactions are entirelly meaningless. Lore gives context and context is not just important but necessary.

And yes, I absolutely will judge negatively people who disregard the above two points and yes I will remove them from my guild. Because I want RP to be enjoyable for everyone. Not just this special snowflake over here who wants to be the illegitimate love child of Illidan and Saruman, and never be injured or die.

Does that make me a good person? That's also entirely subjective. And I couldn't care less. ^^

I'll leave this here.

I prefer to RP with people who put "the fun of everyone" before "my fun". (Within reason)

Iriel Silversong wrote:I mean who cares? We come to rp for fun.. and decide whos good or bad rp, what the .... This discussion is so boring... to be honest.. Pointless.

Because why not.

Let's go back to the threads original thing! Confessions!

Confession:

I enjoy RP cooking a -lot-. I sit and browse what my char will make, how to make it and how long it takes, then I RP it out. It's great!

siegmund wrote:If someone wants to RP a Dragon-vampire-supersexy model legion spy who can't die I may laugh, i may cringe, i may raise a army of turkeys

This seems... familiar...

Yes. After reading your signature I know now exactly which poultry army you are referring to.

Won't make a huge thing out of this, but:

nope wrote:@Ixirar: I don't want contact with you, please stop messaging me/trying to engage me in conversation.

Then don't engage in conversation with me. You're posting on a public forum and I've as much right as you to take part in the discussion that's going on here. My response to your post wasn't an attempt to get in contact with you as, believe me, I think as little of you as you do of me, and I have no intentions of changing that on either side.

If you truly want to avoid me entirely, and posting in the same thread as you is too much, then you're going to have to stop posting on DefiasRP.

My big confession is that I don't know why I'm still here on the forums, but I kinda enjoy the positive nature it sometimes has.

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:

nope wrote:

Amaryl wrote:

Lexgrad wrote:
Seriously fuck you. I'll decide what's appropriate and fun for me. Most of you are idiots and hypocrites and jerks, just like me.

Yeeah I don't really understand going "who are you to decide what is badrp" only to go "most rpers are bads".

Has the same effect on me as the people who keep going "omg everyone doin badrp", I just want to avoid the person in question because who's to say I don't fall under their definition of badrp/annoying hypocrite person or whatever?

The point he's making is that since we're all mostly bad, none of us has any claim to any moral highground. Lexgrad saying that the "You decide your own death" rule was mostly in  place to avoid being 1shot by unreasonable idiots (paraphrasing) but then turning around to say that he wishes he could kill people against their will makes him an unreasonable idiot and a hypocrite. The idea of good and bad RP is toxic as hell and should be abolished. By all likelyhood, if we were to try and quantify the quality of RP on Defias Brotherhood, since all of us are amateurs (ie. nobody here is getting paid to do good RP) we must assume that all of us lack the skill at RPing required to actually become professional RPers, thus nobody has any claim to calling their own RP any better than anybody else's. The only quantifiable dive below the flock you can make, in my opinion, is if your RP strays from or conflicts with rigid rules within the game and/or its lore.

If you want to kill people that deserve it but also don't want other people to kill you against your will, you're a hypocrite. If you go around casting judgment on other people for being bad RPers while your RP strays at all in any way from the game's or the world's rules, you're a hypocrite. If you think you're above the flock, odds are you're below it. Go sit in your ivory tower, the flock doesn't need you. The flock is better off without you. Not for your RP; for your attitude.

Kinda sure that the words which are in my quote are not mine.

I would also like to add I that I think the PoV I made is wrong also, I was just confessing that I sometimes wish I could and the fact I cant is sometimes frustrating.  Even Lex is only human.

Also there isnt a human who has ever drawn breath who is not a hypocrite.

See, I tell the truth.

Cult RP is one of the things I enjoy the most. Perhaps even a bit -too- much.

Adry wrote:

siegmund wrote:If someone wants to RP a Dragon-vampire-supersexy model legion spy who can't die I may laugh, i may cringe, i may raise a army of turkeys

This seems... familiar...

Yes. After reading your signature I know now exactly which poultry army you are referring to.

Lol

Edit to prevent double post:
Confession, the rp on this server frustrates me so much that I've just given up on playing. And I cannot be bothered to move to AD. Seems like too much effort. Instead I've joined the crowd of the miserable lurkers that bitch and moan about a server/game they are no longer playing on.

GG no re

I'm just more annoyed than RP seems very much harder to find lately unless you want to be a Stormwind Criminal/Guard.

Band of the Brave does RP in Draenor. And if that doesn't interest you, try doing what I do: do whatever the fuck you want where you want and flip off everyone who disagrees.

Or make a guild. There are lots of spots free. The Disciples, I'm sorry to say, seem to be inactive, and WT is dead, plus Gilneas Platoon gone now, there's plenty of room.

Adry wrote:Band of the Brave does RP in Draenor. And if that doesn't interest you, try doing what I do: do whatever the fuck you want where you want and flip off everyone who disagrees.

Or make a guild. There are lots of spots free. The Disciples, I'm sorry to say, seem to be inactive, and WT is dead, plus Gilneas Platoon gone now, there's plenty of room.

Actually, The current WT is led by Elegost and Nihilia. They have maybe 5-7 active members, but yes, they are quite small and trying to rebuild. Once they get enough members gathered, they'll head out to the wonders of Draenor.

They just lack an active forum presence that advertises of their changes.

Rashka wrote:Cult RP is one of the things I enjoy the most. Perhaps even a bit -too- much.

I have never done cult RP which I kinda want to do sometime.

Lexgrad wrote:

Rashka wrote:Cult RP is one of the things I enjoy the most. Perhaps even a bit -too- much.

I have never done cult RP which I kinda want to do sometime.

You should! Just sad that there's pretty much nothing these days.

Adry wrote:Band of the Brave does RP in Draenor. And if that doesn't interest you, try doing what I do: do whatever the fuck you want where you want and flip off everyone who disagrees.

Or make a guild. There are lots of spots free. The Disciples, I'm sorry to say, seem to be inactive, and WT is dead, plus Gilneas Platoon gone now, there's plenty of room.

Have mostly been doing what i want, but that's like rping with two people who arent on as much as i have spare time xD and i don't trust myself to commit to making a guild, too many other commitments

After my guild raided the Shady Lady yesterday, we withdrew because eventually we were completely outnumbered.

Here's the confession:
Bloody horn regrouped in the wilderness, everyone wounded and pissed where it eventually lead to the point of killing off a small kid who was wandering around the forest, in a quick but quite brutal way. Started by one of my members, I went through with it and despite being the guild master of a guild based on cruel, savage killings it actually disturbed me quite a lot. Why did I allow it and go through with it? My mind went pretty much "Sigh...I mean, I guess if this was real and my character was actually what I'm trying to portray him to be...He'd do it"

To my defense, I just really like naturalism and portraying things realisticly no matter how gruesome, cruel, taboo or disturbing they are. For the sake of immersion.

Then again, I am aware this is a 12+ game which is why I'm trying to keep it "friendly" to some sort of degree, despite the fact that the guild itself is based on sadistic behaviour.

Lexgrad wrote:
Kinda sure that the words which are in my quote are not mine.

Yeah I think I fucked up the copy+paste there, my bad.

Furenia Krast wrote:Why did I allow it and go through with it? My mind went pretty much "Sigh...I mean, I guess if this was real and my character was actually what I'm trying to portray him to be...He'd do it"

Try to remember that ooc comfort > realism. I'm not trying to say this in a telling-you-off way, just that I've not known that before and it always ended in feeling squicked out in a way that wasn't conclusive to enjoying myself.

Like, was it a random npc kid? Player character? Even if it's ic for them to do it, seems a bit common sense to go "ohey anyone mind if my character tries to punt this kid" first. There's more than one way a character can react generally, so they don't necessarily have to kill a kid for realisms' sake either. Ooc issues aside, it can create problems in the long run since a lot of characters are just "wait wtf no" at being near a child-killer, I know I've had to decline joining a guild for a similar-ish reason - just 'cause very few of my characters will go "meh whatevs" at hanging around "i ate a baby lol". The guild in question was also tired of the ic drama repeatedly springing up from the incident, it's a bit hard to live down once it gets out.

I mean, ic and ooc it can be received badly - I remember once someone tried an event involving dead kids, ooc people were just "nope.jpeg", hardly anyone wanted to join in and ic it got kicked them from a cult guild. As in, the friggin' bad guys went "woah wtf get out". It could also hurt guild reputation if it's done publically, I mean I'd personally rather stumble across wacky erp emotes than "/e oh whoops looks like that kid got decapitated" and the associated details.

...and if it was a random npc, like...What is the point, did they emote a random npc just so their character could get pissed off and kill it? Seems kind of pointlessly edgy, just push them in a muddy puddle or something if your character is mad.

I'd post a rumor on rumor mill for fun, then again I wouldn't know if you named him something already or whatever.

One way or another though weakness was shown! Running away but slaying a child Tsk tsk.

Edit: But what the heck let's post a limited info one!

siegmund wrote:
Running away but slaying a child Tsk tsk.

I blame the rookie! He wasn't even there at the fight earlier and it was his idea! I SWEAR! PLEASE! *sob*

Confession:

As a mother-to-be, any Rp relating to children being hurt, or used badly, makes me cringe and NOPE.jpg out of there. I've gone as far as left a guild OOC because they were doing events were children were killed. Also the reason I hate people RPing as young children, as RP often gets violent and sexulised, and a child should never be anywhere around that.

Lannael Ven'Renn wrote:Confession:

As a mother-to-be, any Rp relating to children being hurt, or used badly, makes me cringe and NOPE.jpg out of there. I've gone as far as left a guild OOC because they were doing events were children were killed. Also the reason I hate people RPing as young children, as RP often gets violent and sexulised, and a child should never be anywhere around that.

I highly feel the same way.

Bloody horn regrouped in the wilderness, everyone wounded and pissed where it eventually lead to the point of killing off a small kid who was wandering around the forest, in a quick but quite brutal way. Started by one of my members, I went through with it and despite being the guild master of a guild based on cruel, savage killings it actually disturbed me quite a lot. Why did I allow it and go through with it? My mind went pretty much "Sigh...I mean, I guess if this was real and my character was actually what I'm trying to portray him to be...He'd do it"

You see, this is the kind of moral repulsion I was talking about in another thread about child RP. People take offence and emotional distress very rapidly to these kinds of things, and so they should.

However, I believe nothing should be off limits in RP - something that normally only applies to my D&D campaigns - but I've had Tauren children killed in the crossfire of at least one Theatre event before. It was supposed to highlight man's inhumanity to cow (:p), but the bow-wielding assassin hated the Horde so much that he didn't actually seem to care. Eyri, on the other hand, still cries over it to this day.
It served as no less a character development as anything else, and highlighted for the less sociopathic characters that going behind enemy lines; stuff can go horribly wrong.
I've included Horde children several times in RP - to provoke an emotional response of "ok, this is our enemy, but what do we do with the kid, we gotta help it somehow" -normally that works. You drop the kid off at, say, Shattrath orphanage, and it's all good. Everyone is better for the interaction, it reminds the characters that not all Horde are bad guys. But when it goes wrong, I'm not going to shut the RP down and stop it.

Why should nothing be off limits? Well, RP is a story no different to (in my opinion) a film/TV/book, it isn't off limits there either. Why? Because you're creating a vivid world, where both good and bad guys live, and bad people do bad things. Nobody draws sadistic pleasure from it (I hope), but all of these interactions develop a character. Character development is what RP boils down to, and if your character never sees anything 'bad', it isn't realistic. Azeroth isn't a pleasant fantasy world; it is a world that has been locked in war for as long as anyone can remember and that has an existential threat (the Legion) constantly looming. The Horde-Alliance war has become a perpetual motion machine of revenge killings; young Orcs and Humans join the war because a Human/Orc killed their parents. It's not a nice world, and to not reflect this in RP would be somewhat fanciful and dishonest.

That being said; if something makes you uncomfortable the solution is very simple - don't do it.

You drop the kid off at, say, Shattrath orphanage, and it's all good.

perpetual motion machine of revenge killings

young Orcs and Humans join the war because a Human/Orc killed their parents.

All good indeed.