The Temple of Elune

Shae my love, the trouble is that Nelfs have a warped sense of lore. NG is prob the best Nelf guild I know for reasoned and Elf like Elves, but the fact remains that there is a desire among Kaldorei RP to want to be the bad ass amazon lioness who takes no shit from no mage. Dref said it well I think.

Dréfurion wrote:My take on this is that the Kaldorei community dwells in the past far too much. They go off a stereotype that was created as a quick and easy understanding of Night Elfs, that is they hate magic demons and everything unnatural combined with being aggressive and militant, and still cling to that today. It's on this stereotype that people base the claim that Dks wouldn't be allowed in the Temple, not on any actual source from what I've experienced.

Personally I don't even think the stereotype holds if we look at books and changes in the games, so the night elf community should reconsider certain things. Go knock yourself out in the Temple.

In lore all the hard line Nelfs we have seen have had sticky ends, same can be said of humans really too and yet rather than seeing these cultures for what they are we RP like Bigotry is cool. In terms of the lore there is not really any justification of it. When you go to the step of implying that your actions are not just your own but in the name of a state then the RP you portray has to be much more inline with that state.

I think players often disregard how races are portrayed because they fear they'll get less RP. I'm not saying DKs would be forced out of Darnassus, the lore doesn't push towards that, but if Malfurion did indeed make that statement and from what we know of their beliefs towards Elune, it's understandable that in such a holy place - they wouldn't want DKs.

Don't forget DKs make the land around them suffer. The complete opposite to what Kaldorei are all about! It's logic more than anything.

If it is logic how come the Ebon blades closest Allies are a Light based faction? Indeed Light is not Elune but opposites do attract and deeds can overcome doubt.

But it cant in a black and white world of absolutes.  In RP world Tirion head butts the acherus as DKs are "evil".

To quote myself as it is a profound statement that should be seen.

A DK is not innately evil.

Dréfurion wrote:The problem becomes when they start to make decrees about things without backing of lore. I understand and endorse the Night Elven dislike (or hate) of DKs, but they don't have any grounds to ban people from coming anywhere. Especially not just Darnassus itself. They might try to prevent it, scowl, call names, keep their eyes in angry stares on them, but they cannot truly prevent anyone from going in the Temple or do it of as lore-breaking.

i agree with the decree thing i doubt there is an official law banning dks from entering the temple, but why cant people still not just ask them to leave and escort them out? its not against the law to do that either :)

Shaelyssa wrote:

Dréfurion wrote:The problem becomes when they start to make decrees about things without backing of lore. I understand and endorse the Night Elven dislike (or hate) of DKs, but they don't have any grounds to ban people from coming anywhere. Especially not just Darnassus itself. They might try to prevent it, scowl, call names, keep their eyes in angry stares on them, but they cannot truly prevent anyone from going in the Temple or do it of as lore-breaking.

i agree with the decree thing i doubt there is an official law banning dks from entering the temple, but why cant people still not just ask them to leave and escort them out? its not against the law to do that either

It is if the DK does not want to go :p

Vaell wrote:Don't forget DKs make the land around them suffer.

That is a -spell-, not something that can't be stopped. It's like saying that mages should be banned because they can ignite with the flick of hand the whole Teldrassil on fire.

Vaell wrote:The complete opposite to what Kaldorei are all about! It's logic more than anything.

Actually, aside druids(who have Malfurion as a leader, a leader who accepted and defended Highborne elves himself) most of night elven society was ruled by the feminine priesthood and sentinels, who aren't exactly so 'attuned with nature'. And those who show issues with the new rule(such as Maiev and her followers) have been shown quite swiftly settled.

Tuomas/Decurius wrote:

Vaell wrote:Don't forget DKs make the land around them suffer.

That is a -spell-, not something that can't be stopped. It's like saying that mages should be banned because they can ignite with the flick of hand the whole Teldrassil on fire.

I believe Vaell is right, DKs are horrific terrible things that suck life around them.

Tuomas/Decurius wrote:

Vaell wrote:The complete opposite to what Kaldorei are all about! It's logic more than anything.

Actually, aside druids(who have Malfurion as a leader, a leader who accepted and defended Highborne elves himself) most of night elven society was ruled by the feminine priesthood and sentinels, who aren't exactly so 'attuned with nature'. And those who show issues with the new rule(such as Maiev and her followers)  have been shown quite swiftly settled.

Night Elfs are often described in sweeping statements, or by lifting Tyrande, Malfurion (perhaps Maiev and Shandris) as examples... And those four are four very diffrent people. It's clear that the balance is important to (almost, there's night elfs in the twilight hammer, right?) all Night Elfs attuned (and priestesses definitely are, Elune is all about the nature too!) or not, it does constitute their opinions and principles. You can not make the case that Night Elfs don't, as a general rule, think undeath is a twisted wrong thing. I just don't think you claim this means they would be banned from.. Darnassus especially (although claims of that have almost died, thankfully).

@lexgrad

doesnt matter

my character can do whatever they want irrespective of other characters desires or else im not being true to my character

That's not true, Tyrande lost her shit when Orcs were chopping down trees in Ashenvale in WC3. Nature is a major aspect of all Kaldorei culture.

I might have misread but I thought that DKs consistently harm the land around them, very slowly. I'm sure there's a source for this (Dru will have it if it's real) but if not, my mistake.

Most DKs don't really RP the outcast thing very well, from what I've seen. Most races hate the undead and segregation opens so much potential. If the Kaldorei executed a stubborn DK who didn't leave their temple, who would come to the rescue? The Ebons would most likely fear insulting them, especially if the DK was asked to leave and we already understand that the Kaldorei have a large distrust (understandably) for the Undead - I mean, they did almost wipe them off the face of the planet alongside demons.

If the OP could find the quote from Malfurion, I think it puts the whole thing to rest.

Shaelyssa wrote:@lexgrad

doesnt matter

my character can do whatever they want irrespective of other characters desires or else im not being true to my character

Yes, I agree with that as your char. However if your char is High executioner and hand of tyrande and you want that power then That statement breaks down. If your char does things in the name of Tyrande and the state it must be in line with the state, or you let the state correct your own char some how.

If An elf murders a DK then fine, let it be ic and there be justice. If an elf murders a DK and then claims it is in malfurions name then... well... my point ^^ By murdering in the name of the state you go very far indeed.

whats wrong with murdering in the name of the state? it doesnt mean you actually are oyu could just be a psychopath

just because a character says theyre the hand of the queen doesnt mean they actually are

Well, let us say you murder a DK for the state, and I then murder you in the name of the ebon blade. At this stage tyrande and mograine need to RP and they can not so we as RPers should not treat there.

why? if i was tyrande tbh id be happy that a bunch of crazy selfproclaimed hands of the queen or whatever killed each other

Well, I actually don't think Mograine would be sympathetic if a DK was winding up the Kaldorei on their home turf.

It doesnt matter what he thinks Vaell, we cant RP him.

Lexgrad wrote:It doesnt matter what he thinks Vaell, we cant RP him.

The same goes for you hiding behind the imaginary laws that he would instantly protect any who were shunned from the temple.

There is so much wrong in this thread... As a first point, any Death Knight wanting to willingly commune with Elune must remember that you're twice damned. To be undead is to slip out of tune with the world, to deny ones rightful place in the circle of life. But to do so willingly, in the search for power? There is no way faster to demonstrate your contempt for the wisdom of Elune. For those unfortunate to have it done against their will, then go kill yourselves or continue to spit in Elunes face.

False: Gilneans have warlocks and their trainer is right under the Howling Oak, and the Sentinels lead you to him. Not saying they like it, but it would have been way easy just to make him stay outside in Rut'Theran.

That has to be the most forced reasoning for Night Elves allowing Demons/Fel in their midst that I've ever heard. How stupid must Blizzard be to keep all the class trainers for Worgen together up until they get to Teldrassil and then suddenly decide "Oh, to make this much much harder on a certain class, we won't allow Worgen to buy their Warlock spells* until they get to Lor'danel. Just so it makes the Lore look fine". No, they're going to keep all the class trainers together, and they're not going to make the NPCs suddenly very bigotted against players who are newbs and don't know where their class trainer is, just to make it "lore friendly".

* - Remember that you had to buy your spells in Cata.

QFT: if Malfurion himself, who is like 'The' druid, allows magic users and Highborne in Kalimdor territory and in Darnassus itself, I see very little reason to show so much bigotry from the higher ups in Elven society.

Malfurion has no say in Kaldorei politics. For someone who's read Wolfheart, you should know both Tyrande and Malfurion say this themselves.

(Some say I should have been shot on sight, mis-communication happens)

Yeah, they'd usually tell you to leave, and then shoot you if you didn't. But that's just long standing server lore.

I have to agree on the stereotypes is becoming a bit far too... Much in this day and age of things developing.

... Since when? In Cataclysm a Night Elf commander only just embraced the power of Cannons! If you think the Night Elves are adaptive of the Humans systems/beliefs/ways of life then you are so far wrong.

but they do not have the rule of thumb to stop people from entering alliance territory,

Also, since when? Alliance territory maybe, but that doesn't mean that the Night Elves surrendered all their liberties over to some giant blue banner, they're still their own faction, and they still control their own lands. If the Stormwind Council can declare Ebons banned (Which they have, numerous times), and demand certain things from all walks of RP then the leading and only authority on Night Elven RP can demand what happens in their own capital city. Most DK's seem to be under the presumption that the Night Elves bend over to the glory that is Wrynn and must succumb to all wishes of the Alliance, a stereotype that us in Natures Grasp vehemently oppose.

is if you have one guild saying that DKs are okay in the temple, aiding you along

Find me this Guild. We'll be having words.

For humans it doesnt matter if there is a guild of zealots as the rest will equalise this.

How many times were your "kind" banned from Stormwind Lex?

to the point of allowing gnomish machines in Darnassus

Wat

Varian leads the Alliance, and clearly most Kaldorei and sure their higher ups have accepted that

You'd also be a fool to think that because Varian had different ideas in a combat situation, means that he has authority over what happens in Night Elf lands. With any luck, 5.4 will show that Tyrande, can stand on her own two feet.

To say that they would legally force you out, nope, considering all the hints(In-game and in novels) point at the other direction. (Something that, oddly, never happened to me, despite being  there quite blatantly both in Moonglade and Darnassus on my dk quite a few times. But Dec's a nice respectful puppy)

Wat. What hints? And just because we don't patrol Darnassus on a constant basis doesn't mean we accept your presence. Same with Lexy staying there for a "year". The minute we hear about it, typically, we move to respond.

If there were more Night Elf guilds(or Nature's Grasp was way huger and differentiated, as in IC noticeably so) the issue wouldn't be so evident. Being though the rp in Darnassus almost completely tied to them though, it must be ensured thar or 1)They rp night elves in a way which doesn't create disconnections with the various understandings of the lore, or, 2)they play exclusively as for themselves and their chars, and not pretending to represent the night elves' society as a whole.

Alright, just stop. Because our Guild doesn't have any outliers that ICly agree with letting DK's in, we're not considered "reputable" or "fair" in your eyes, therefore we're not big enough and wide enough to be accepted by you? Pfft.

To point 1, what understandings? You keep pointing to them, but have yet to bring them forth. We'll RP how lore has told us to, and won't change that until new lore comes in to suggest otherwise.

2, and for the most part, we do, but when we're the only Night Elf guild on this server, we're quite often asked to represent the Night Elves society "as a whole". Same with the Three Hammers.

Difference with SW Council is it is not one guild and Human RP is not one guild

There was a thing called the Circle of Darnassus a while back, which acted as the Darnassus Council. Eventually, they amalgamated into Natures Grasp as it was just a bunch of Night Elves nodding and agreeing with each other all the time. Just because we come under one banner, doesn't mean we're all the same. Priestesses, Druids, Mages, and Sentinels all have their different ideas on where to take the Kaldorei, and those opinions are always being fiercely debated ICly.

every night elf guild that has ever existed that i know of has never accepted death knights so why you guys keep mentioning NG is silly, this has nothing to do with ng.

Thank you.

They might try to prevent it, scowl, call names, keep their eyes in angry stares on them, but they cannot truly prevent anyone from going in the Temple or do it of as lore-breaking

Is that not the same as decreeing? I think pulling my characters bow on someone and telling them to GTFO counts as a decree, in my honest opinion.

the trouble is that Nelfs have a warped sense of lore

'Scuse me? Light wielding DK not withstanding.

In terms of the lore there is not really any justification of it.

... GAHHH! SO MUCH RAGE! WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS STUPID RIDICULOUS BULLSPIT! WHERE, OH WHERE DOES IT EVER SAY THAT NIGHT ELVES ACCEPT FEL, AND UNDEAD!? WHERE!

Goddess damnit! Eat a brick, the lot of you.

It is if the DK does not want to go

Fuck them, they're getting an arrow in the face. I'd like to see any "court" punish a Night Elf character for such.

And those who show issues with the new rule(such as Maiev and her followers) have been shown quite swiftly settled.

You mean like how she kidnapped Malfurion to kill him, and then killed a bunch of other Night Elves? I don't think that means the opinion was settled, just that a nutjob was dealt with.

I just don't think you claim this means they would be banned from.. Darnassus especially

Banned, no. Asked to leave? Yes. Forced to leave, almost definetly. Shot at for not leaving, guaranteed. Killed for standing their ground, quite possible.

The same goes for you hiding behind the imaginary laws that he would instantly protect any who were shunned from the temple.

Vaell I fucking love you.

And that's all I'm going to say on this anymore.

You want to come to Darnassus, that's fine. You want to believe you're accepted, and that Night Elves disregard their love for nature, the circle of life, their feelings on undead and blah blah blah to suit your RP, that's fine.

But you come across any of us from Natures Grasp, and I can almost guarantee you're getting an arrow in the throat, and there's not a thing anyone will do to stop us.

Edit: Come to think of it, the only people defending DK's in Darnassus are DK's.

is if you have one guild saying that DKs are okay in the temple, aiding you along


Find me this Guild. We'll be having words.

Raene, BREATHE <3. It's the OP's post. Reread it. This was NOT on DB. This was ANOTHER elf guild on another server, they aided the char along to refind Elune (nothing to do with power, everything to do with spirituality) and then -another- guild booted them out, from what I can tell. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN ON DB AND SHOULD NOT BECOME AN ATTACK ON NATURE'S GRASP!

So the discussion has become half along the lines of what players and powers should be able to do as far as representing the official/guard stance, and half "what would elves do" lorewise.

The latter, in the end, is very debatable. But the point is that it shouldn't affect the former. People really shouldn't claim to represent the "official" city as one guild, if they aren't a coalition, -ever- imo. DB has lower numbers than AD maybe, but to claim to represent and RP the entire NPC population of a city is mad. What Drefurion said should apply:

I understand and endorse the Night Elven dislike (or hate) of DKs, but they don't have any grounds to ban people from coming anywhere. Especially not just Darnassus itself. They might try to prevent it, scowl, call names, keep their eyes in angry stares on them, but they cannot truly prevent anyone from going in the Temple or do it of as lore-breaking.

I'm 100% behind that, personally.

Raene wrote:

Varian leads the Alliance, and clearly most Kaldorei and sure their higher ups have accepted that

You'd also be a fool to think that because Varian had different ideas in a combat situation, means that he has authority over what happens in Night Elf lands. With any luck, 5.4 will show that Tyrande, can stand on her own two feet.

This.

Varian only has superiority in military matters. Everything else is under the purview of the local regional goverments (in this case, the night elves).

"Varian Wrynn is the current king of the human kingdom of Stormwind and military commander of the Alliance." - Varian Wrynn, official WoW website

As Guild Master of Nature's Grasp, I think it's my prerogative to weigh in on the defence of our guild, though Raene has done a splendid job of outlining where we may stand on certain issues. Nature's Grasp has always been and continues to be a military Order, independent of the government of Darnassus. We follow the rules laid out by the High Priestess Tyrande, but are not bound to execute her orders or judgement as the Sentinels of Darnassus are.

Over the past two years, the Order has been led by three Keeper's, each has been a druid, and the importance of the Balance has been a cornerstone of the Order's direction and the conservation of the Balance has been of the utmost priority. The Order maintains a distrust, and a great dislike of Death Knights, and as a result, we have a blanket policy to reject them access to our ranks; a feeling which is shared by an overwhelming majority of our membership.

On a contrary to Raene's point, we do have sentinels patrolling the City some of the time, and they are likely to take a defensive stance against Death Knights in the city, but they do not enforce a 'law' banning Death Knights, because there isn't one. The sheer amount of hostility that any Deathknight would be almost certain to receive should they set foot on Teldrassil, is expected to be severe enough to make them turn tail and run. Arkil would only confront a Death Knight and ask them to leave on his own dislike for them, or he considers them a threat to the safety of Darnassus or the Balance, and any military intervention or force he uses to remove them, he would be answerable for. He does not represent or lead any forces directly linked with the forces in service to the government of Darnassus. Plus I'd like to add that he couldn't give a flying fuck what the 'High King' commands.

There is no council in Darnassus, as there is in Stormwind, as the Circle was disbanded when Nature's Grasp held every single seat on it. We welcome the introduction of new Night Elven guilds to Darnassus, but as it stands, we are really the only one around, and most of the Kaldorei roleplayers you're going to run into in Darnassus, are going to share the Guild's hostile nature towards Death Knights.

We have never represented the law, on behalf of the NPC leader of our race, but we have for the past seven years attempted to portray the Kaldorei as they have been written in Lore, prejudices and all. All Death Knights enter Darnassus at their own risk, but besides the IC hostilities, we welcome all genuine RP to our treehouse.

Arkil wrote:
There is no council in Darnassus, as there is in Stormwind, as the Circle was disbanded when Nature's Grasp held every single seat on it.

That's not entirely true, at the time of disbanding we had me (Rhenya), Lianna, Adelaine and Aariam iirc. Me and Adelaine weren't in NG and I -think- aariam wasn't either, but I'm not entirely sure of him.

Sorayah wrote:

Arkil wrote:
There is no council in Darnassus, as there is in Stormwind, as the Circle was disbanded when Nature's Grasp held every single seat on it.

That's not entirely true, at the time of disbanding we had me (Rhenya), Lianna, Adelaine and Aariam iirc. Me and Adelaine weren't in NG and I -think- aariam wasn't either, but I'm not entirely sure of him.

Ah, you're probably right. I only joined the server in october of 2011, so It happened long before I got here; I'm only going on what i've been told. But the fact still stands that there is no council in Darnassus anymore, and NG is really the only active Nelf guild on the server who're primarily RPing in Darnassus, and the vast majority of Kaldorei RP in the city involves us.

Arkil wrote:

Sorayah wrote:

Arkil wrote:
There is no council in Darnassus, as there is in Stormwind, as the Circle was disbanded when Nature's Grasp held every single seat on it.

That's not entirely true, at the time of disbanding we had me (Rhenya), Lianna, Adelaine and Aariam iirc. Me and Adelaine weren't in NG and I -think- aariam wasn't either, but I'm not entirely sure of him.

Ah, you're probably right. I only joined the server in october of 2011, so It happened long before I got here; I'm only going on what i've been told. But the fact still stands that there is no council in Darnassus anymore, and NG is really the only active Nelf guild on the server who're primarily RPing in Darnassus

It was pretty much the same at the time. The Winterblades were doing stuff in Ashenvale because they weren't entirely disbanded yet, but aside from that it was just 2 people + NG in the council and nobody but NG doing darnassus RP. Aariam was in NG at the time I'm fairly sure.

But yes, NG was at the time, and at almost all times since the Starseekers disbanded, something like 80% of the nelf community, and as such the council was deemed unneccesary, because NG Guild policies really always became the base for casual Nelf RP anyways.

This is my (largely absent) recollection of the situation back then. Don't take it to be historically accurate. If anybody who had a more in-depth view of the Nelf community at the time contradicts what I just said, I forfeit my statements immediately.

I wasn't in WB or NG at the ending days of the council - it was the short-lived Shadowstriders which was my abode at the time.

With that important issue out of the way, let's all just say "hey! Death knights, enter at your own risk. 'Cos we'll kill you if you don't leave!"

Raene wrote:That has to be the most forced reasoning for Night Elves allowing Demons/Fel in their midst that I've ever heard. How stupid must Blizzard be to keep all the class trainers for Worgen together up until they get to Teldrassil and then suddenly decide "Oh, to make this much much harder on a certain class, we won't allow Worgen to buy their Warlock spells* until they get to Lor'danel. Just so it makes the Lore look fine". No, they're going to keep all the class trainers together, and they're not going to make the NPCs suddenly very bigotted against players who are newbs and don't know where their class trainer is, just to make it "lore friendly".

This argument, sorry to say, is terribly bullshit: all the other capitals have all the trainers(often even more than one for class) spread in all the city's territory. It wouldn't have been hard, or forced, to get the NPC just out in Teldrassil. Besides, again, it's Blizzard's lore. If tomorrow Metzen says that Elune is a flying elekk, Elune is a flying elekk. Period.

Raene wrote:Malfurion has no say in Kaldorei politics. For someone who's read Wolfheart, you should know both Tyrande and Malfurion say this themselves.

Point is, he is the one who inshort -knows- the druidic ways and the whole balance thing. Actually, he was the one who started the whole thing in the first place. It's really hard to believe that, if he doesn't show such bigotry(as he does ehen he personally defend the Highborne), druids would feel justified to show it as well.

Raene wrote:... Since when? In Cataclysm a Night Elf commander only just embraced the power of Cannons! If you think the Night Elves are adaptive of the Humans systems/beliefs/ways of life then you are so far wrong.

Adaptive? No. Doing actions which could harm the relations with the other allies? Neither.

Raene wrote:

Tuomas wrote:to the point of allowing gnomish machines in Darnassus

Wat

Gelbin and his people get to Darnassus with their machines for the meeting, in Wolfheart. Actually, there's quite some humor in that scene too, from Tyrande, if I recall right.

Raene wrote:Wat. What hints? And just because we don't patrol Darnassus on a constant basis doesn't mean we accept your presence. Same with Lexy staying there for a "year". The minute we hear about it, typically, we move to respond.

I was seen by NG's people, most of the times. Only a couple of times Dec came in Darnassus in incognito, right because he knows the risks.
Point is that everything in game, aside WC3, leads to the conclusion that night elven society not only honors its duties with the Alliance, thus accepting military people, to say the very least, from its allies, meaning so death knights from other armies, but has very much opened itself, especially after the terrible events happened lately. Considering that Knights of the Ebon Blade have also helped in defeating Arthas, by lore, it's really hard to see how they would hate them so much.

Raene wrote:'Scuse me? Light wielding DK not withstanding.

Bullshit. Plenty of lore there is of Forsaken, so even lesser undead, handling the Light. So, no issue with DKs doing that.

Dréfurion wrote:In terms of the lore there is not really any justification of it.

Raene wrote:... GAHHH! SO MUCH RAGE! WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS STUPID RIDICULOUS BULLSPIT! WHERE, OH WHERE DOES IT EVER SAY THAT NIGHT ELVES ACCEPT FEL, AND UNDEAD!? WHERE!

And where is it the evidence that they don't? Possibly something that relates to the special cases of Knights of the Ebon Blade or Alliance warlocks. Meaning, nothing before Wrath for the former and Vanilla for the latter.

Raene wrote:You mean like how she kidnapped Malfurion to kill him, and then killed a bunch of other Night Elves? I don't think that means the opinion was settled, just that a nutjob was dealt with.

A nutjob that, by the way you speak, represents the views on the matter of most Kaldorei society, assasinating Malfurion aside.

Raene wrote:Edit: Come to think of it, the only people defending DK's in Darnassus are DK's.

My honest opinion is that you should actually roleplay one.  In all honesty, every roleplayer should roleplay one. So perhaps many misunderstandings would be settled.

Raene wrote:How many times were your "kind" banned from Stormwind Lex?

As I said, but helps to repeat: I point my fingers to everyone who does such things. I've my issues with both IF Senate and SW Council: here we're talking about Darnassus, I talk about this.

Raene wrote:Alright, just stop. Because our Guild doesn't have any outliers that ICly agree with letting DK's in, we're not considered "reputable" or "fair" in your eyes, therefore we're not big enough and wide enough to be accepted by you? Pfft.

To point 1, what understandings? You keep pointing to them, but have yet to bring them forth. We'll RP how lore has told us to, and won't change that until new lore comes in to suggest otherwise.

2, and for the most part, we do, but when we're the only Night Elf guild on this server, we're quite often asked to represent the Night Elves society "as a whole". Same with the Three Hammers.

It's not a matter of accepting DKs per se, it's a matter of  having enouugh IC and OOC people actually rping to show enough sides and contrasting views on things(Dks are one, but not the only one. obviously). And to me, as far as I've seen with my various chars, NG simply doesn't have it. It's not a bad thing per se, especially if the guild wants to keep a certain distinctive line. It's bad though when it claims that it represents the Kaldorei society as a whole. I can accept NG as a druidic guiid and somewhat a night elven guild focused on balance and all the 'nature' thing, I can't though reckon it as effectively representing, or even able to represent, the night elves society as a whole. My Dk will take your advise to leave Darnassus and leave, but he will take that only as something from NG, and specifically the person who asked, not from all the night elves, the sentinels as a whole or the druids as a whole. As to bring forth points, see up.

TL,DR. Arkil is mostly right to me. Not representing anyone but themselves, show hostility and all fine(I have myself fun with that when it happens), even going for more direct routes, but not pretending it's something the whole Kaldorei would agree with, or that you're following some kind of NPC written law.

I like Nature's Grasp, it's fun and to rp with you and I've always had great times with you, on all my toons. I'm just trying to raise a point and the obvious one also that evidently not everyone has the same understanding of Kaldorei lore as you do, and that you can't in any way force said view on others, nor you should.

PS. Considering the late hour, forgive the eventual typos.