Diary of Coppersocket

I can happily say I have no idea, and I wish it to remain that way.

Also, I've decided to go visit Moonguard.

Kids with weird fetishes and a small amount of artistic talent = that shit.

oh it was crushing! I wondered.

I thought the troll was an artistic interpretation of Raenes trolling.

Kinda wish it wasn't removed so I can see what manner of abomination was posted.

erwtenpeller wrote:

Raene wrote:Well congratulations on breaching 2000 on your RBG rating, but that don't mean shit.

Why not, though? They've worked hard to get that title, I think that should give them a certain entitlement to use it in their role-play.

Because 2000 isn't hard to get in RBG's. RBG's is far easier to gain rating in than say, arena's.

You can't get Lt. Commander in arenas though, so that's a moot point.

What is worth bringing up here tho, is the absolute tosh that you folks can't let a surprise invasion be a surprise invasion. Both Horde and Alliance doing shit pre-invasion, metagaming the shit out of it because both wants a piece of the cake.

While perhaps a bit "late" to say, but none the less laughable. You guys just gotta know things before the lore characters don't you? Don't try play the "But we're just doing things on the side", no. You're using OOC knowledge to fuel your characters behavior IC to create events that lead up to the invasion pre-invasion despite that your characters really should have no warning or idea that this will happen.

Fuck you guys. Seriously.

Hey man. There's new content comin'. People are excited, they want to engage in it.

I agree with you, But I also understand the urge to get busy.

Oh I'm sure. But it's absolute lorefucking. Which then raises the question, is it really worth sacrificing any sense that your RP has to get a bit of the action before LORE CHARACTERS knows of it?

Is it worth looking like a complete fucking metagaming tool?

The big issue I have with this isn't as much the assholes that decide to Metagame it, it's the assholes that metagame it that decide to drag people into it. Which in this case happens to be all of them.

I don't want to be a part of your peoples bullshit, and just because now "everyone does it", doesn't mean it's okay.

Just because a large sum of people does drugs, doesn't mean it's okay. So why the fuck would horrible metagame RP be okay amongst roleplayers? Why aren't more people AGAINST this in the first place?

Where the fuck did the cynical people disappear to? This shit would never have been allowed a few years back.

I feel exactly the same way about people "metagaming" doors into the environment.

It happens a lot. Sometimes it irritates me. It's best to just... Go with the flow.

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No, it's not. If you see bullshit, you call out that it's fucking bullshit. You don't just let it slide because then people will take example of it and push it onto something else because suddenly it's "accepted" to do.

This shouldn't be accepted by anyone. Anyone who pushes for this sort of shit should be told that they can go shove it up their ass.

Edit: As for doors, they're at least believable to have around. People "knowing" (not directly knowing but suspecting due to shit RP) a invasion is to come, is just way out there.

If I would start shouting at people for everything I think is "bullshit" I would have no friends.

erwtenpeller wrote:If I would start shouting at people for everything I think is "bullshit" I would have no friends.

Do you have any now?

How exactly, would say, Coppers, that people are doing this?

I've not encountered anything like it myself, is all (possibly thanks to blizzard deciding that I shouldn't be able to log in, though).

Amaryl wrote:

erwtenpeller wrote:If I would start shouting at people for everything I think is "bullshit" I would have no friends.

Do you have any now?

Of course, I draw porn! People like a guy who draws porn.

No, the correct sentence is. You wouldn't be yourself. But that's another story.

You don't shout at people every time they do something "bulltshit", unless it's on the level of bullshit where it's just undeniable bullshit. If I jumped at every opportunity I had to call bullshit, this thread would have far more entries than it does.

But that shouldn't stop you from telling them that you believe what they're doing is bad, because if you truly believe that what they're doing is bad then you have a reason as to why you believe it is. So share that reason, and let them decide for themselves how to react upon those words.

Otherwise, are they truly your friends if you can't be honest towards them?

Dwyburn wrote:How exactly, would say, Coppers, that people are doing this?

I've not encountered anything like it myself, is all (possibly thanks to blizzard deciding that I shouldn't be able to log in, though).

You have both the Dawnbringer event and Helmut's event both based on this whole thing. I confronted Helmut on it ICly on Copper yesterday and as usual- nothing someone "Outside the event" says, has any impact on what will actually happen with the event since they're not "part" of it. But bringing in so many parties from the Alliance makes me pretty much have to be part of it in some way. Sure, I could simply choose to ignore it but when the rest of the Alliance is (willingly or not) part of it, I can't really choose if I want to be or not without just stopping to RP entirely that has anything to do with people of military affiliation. This including the Disciples which Copper's a part of.

Forcing RP, even worse- shit RP, down someones throat is not okay. Not in the slightest.
I'm unsure how big a event it is on Horde, but from what I understand it's basically the same fucking bullshit there.

I'm with Copper, for once. React to the fucking invasion after it happens. Omfg.

Wasn't the Iron Horde invasion not meant to be a surprise? Like an echo of the first war, thought that was the point of the first lords of war video.

Yeah, this call to arms thing has basically happened waaay too early. "We're hunting Hellscream who might have teamed up with a dragonflight that is at the point of extinction." The whole surprise thing looks like someone set it up for a chance to say "Caleld it."

I never realised last night's meeting was about Hellscream. Was it?

Anyway our people are just doing business as usual for now. Will see what happens when it happens.

Not "directly" (Read: It actually is), no. But question yourself, WHY did these two events pop up? Dawnseeker's event is somewhat explainable. But would either of these events had happened, if it wasn't for the coming pre-patch? No. No they wouldn't.

Everything involving these two events lead directly up to the invasion.
Using OOC information to fuel your IC stuff is never right, using it to give your information key details that could lead them to assume things that nobody in Azeroth would've assumed otherwise is bad. Really, really bad. It just shows that somewhere you've done something you shouldn't have. Because at the end of the day Lore characters > you. No matter how much you like your character, how clever they are, or how much they are able to predict the future. Lore characters don't know, so neither do you. Anyone that goes against this is lorefucking, and last I checked- lorefucking isn't a practice that's regarded very highly.

Now, people can try to justify their actions in a number of ways, but honestly that's fucking irrelevant. Lorefucking is still lorefucking, it's not okay. I suggest anyone that has gotten entangled in any of these events to pull the fuck out for the sake of their own reputation.

That said, unfortunately due to how docile Defias has become, my word doesn't have as much power as it once could've. Unfortunately I'm in the minority so I can't put a big NO sign infront of the offenders. They'll just pass me by, and get on with things. Ignoring that they're raping the lore, and don't have to deal with any consequences for their actions.

That more than anything, pisses me the fuck off.

So this is where I come in and defend myself. I originally came up with the basics of the Call of Arms thingie after Siege of Orgrimmar campaign as a way to make communication and hierarcy easier when campaigns start because having played on this server for two years and been a part in setting up campaigns there is one thing I've learned: Its a pain in the ass. This act would make things easier and more based on an OOC level abd an IC level. Now, had Helmut been elected Minister of Defence back in this spring then I had introduced it then but another guy who did nothing and then disappeared was voted instead. The initiative was never to be applied on just Hellscream, like you may think, but rather RPPVP events in general.

So I introduced it now, when activity has returned. There are complications, because I personally want the community to work together, but my character is a selfimportant asshat. But thats why I went around and pitched the idea OOCly first. Then I pitched it to the council, which was approved. Then I went public with it and people liked it. After that went Uuando and I around and talked with the individual guilds and gave them the information. Then I invited them for a meeting about it, last night, to talk things over etc. Now, if you, as a lone person come up to Helmut and say that you dislike it, he will hear you out, ofcourse. But that you think that one characters voice can have more to say than the many people who likes the idea? If you want to make a change then, if we want to work as a democracy, then you rally people and as a large group protest.

And why did I chose Yuan'Do as one of the Field Marshalls? Because she puts very much work, time and dedication into forming RP and a community and that she has in recent time shown much more interest and initiative than many others.

Now, if you want to discuss, add ideas or constructive critisism to the Call of Arms act then please contact me.

Also, Copper, it makes me a bit sad to see you go about this in this way as I see us two having somewhat of an understanding and comminication towards eachother and that you could have discussed this and come with input with me OOCly instead of ranting about it on the forums.

The idea of call to arms is not a bad initiative, don't misunderstand. I'm not jumping on you personally helmut, nor am I OOCly questioning your decisions IC on who leads what. That's not what this is about and will never be. The reason I'm bringing this up, is because both you, and the Dawnchasers chose the impeccable time to prepare everyone of a disaster "just before" things happen. The timing's a bit too good, and it takes away from the whole surprise thing and makes it "called it", as Charlie stated. It becomes stupid, you make the whole thing a fucking charade to appeal to your own senses. I don't care how many you balled it with, this shit is still fucking metagaming, because you- and they, know that this is going to happen OOCly so you act towards making an event ICly to respond to something that hasn't even happened yet.

This is why it's horrible RP. Had it been about anything else, it'd been fine. Really. But this? No.
The fact that you actually had people support this idea just shows how dumb people are. They clearly didn't fucking think before they accepted it. They didn't consider what it could actually entailed.

Pull the plug on this fiasco until shit actually happens.