Has anyone claimed The following locations?

Vaell wrote:

Raenmar wrote:Holy fuck, let's not have the council trying to control building ownership too.

You mean organising it so these threads don't pop up every 2 weeks? Give people a chance to avoid drama by actually taking it ICly? Provide some economy to the game/OOC knowledge to aid people when they know what shops to visit?

This isn't about control lmao, it is about providing rp. "Building a map of the city to help OTHER people's RP is such a dictatorship idea Vaell!"

He's got a point, if two people would have to "Work it out" A guild could just trample in Wayfarer's rest and "work it out" With Dareil and Darilas, such being an example from the horde side. If you're roleplaying providing a service such as a smithy or a bar... I don't see what the problem is for you to constantly claim a building, it promotes RP in the area and provides opportunities to know people ICly which can be quite fun.

If you own an area, realistically, you have a deed for it , and as such, a governmental institution would know about it and keep you on a list, so people can know who goes where and who does what, I don't see the SW council as controlling by just showing known locations of people being in places, it's basically just a list of RP locations.

Having a list/map would be nice to have (something that would probably be a nice job for Trade or Internal Affairs, though it could also be done by a non-Council individual), so that people are aware of whom uses what, but at no point should the Council be in charge of saying who can use/not use buildings.

It's up to people/guilds to work out their buildings themselves, and to discuss sharing it with other people/guilds at their discretion.

Drustai wrote:Having a list/map would be nice to have (something that would probably be a nice job for Trade or Internal Affairs, though it could also be done by a non-Council individual), so that people are aware of whom uses what, but at no point should the Council be in charge of saying who can use/not use buildings.

It's up to people/guilds to work out their buildings themselves, and to discuss sharing it with other people/guilds at their discretion.

^ This. It's one thing to work out a building with another guild, but it's another if they just march in there and "Work it out". ((Aggressive negociations for no valid IC reason, which would be a worst case scenario)) Which can be quite irritating, thanks for clearing it all up.

P.S. Your Death Knight guide is really awesome and helpful . Thanks for making it, it's a very good referrence for people who are just starting out as a death knight ((Offtopic))

Drustai wrote:Having a list/map would be nice to have (something that would probably be a nice job for Trade or Internal Affairs, though it could also be done by a non-Council individual), so that people are aware of whom uses what, but at no point should the Council be in charge of saying who can use/not use buildings.

It's up to people/guilds to work out their buildings themselves, and to discuss sharing it with other people/guilds at their discretion.

A list, perhaps. A map would be pretty silly given the amount most buildings change hands over a couple of months.

A lot of the time, however, these things don't quite work (and would cause issue with it being a council thing) because people share buildings, that become two buildings. There's nothing more facepalm worthy than IC tension being caused over a building that is a different space in the eyes of two different people/guilds.

If people just communicate - rather than make an issue out of nothing, there wouldn't be a need for keeping this sort've information listed.

Ledgic Caan wrote:

Drustai wrote:Having a list/map would be nice to have (something that would probably be a nice job for Trade or Internal Affairs, though it could also be done by a non-Council individual), so that people are aware of whom uses what, but at no point should the Council be in charge of saying who can use/not use buildings.

It's up to people/guilds to work out their buildings themselves, and to discuss sharing it with other people/guilds at their discretion.

A list, perhaps. A map would be pretty silly given the amount most buildings change hands over a couple of months.

A lot of the time, however, these things don't quite work (and would cause issue with it being a council thing) because people share buildings, that become two buildings. There's nothing more facepalm worthy than IC tension being caused over a building that is a different space in the eyes of two different people/guilds.

If people just communicate - rather than make an issue out of nothing, there wouldn't be a need for keeping this sort've information listed.

If two guilds were to share a building, it would lead, eventually to double facepalm worthy tension, at least in my opinion, because someone is bound to butt heads and start to make a fuss out of it instead of communicating to solve the issue. That's most likely the whole point of the threads which ask if a location is being used. It'd be quite convenient for example to have a list of IC locations for you to be able to think: Hey, there's a pub here and a smithy there, I could go to one of these places to RP or I could make my own place without having to enter arguments with other people, due to knowing which places are vacant and which aren't.

How would a list of buildings and the people that use them cause any less tension?

People throw a shitfit when claiming a building is even a remotely possibility, creating a list only serves the same purpose.

Good luck finding somewhere to start the RP you wish to start, Foa. But I don't see how this sort've thing would benefit anyone.

Ledgic Caan wrote:How would a list of buildings and the people that use them cause any less tension?

People throw a shitfit when claiming a building is even a remotely possibility, creating a list only serves the same purpose.

Good luck finding somewhere to start the RP you wish to start, Foa. But I don't see how this sort've thing would benefit anyone.

Thanks, and sorry if I bothered you, but after a whole thread, I don't see why so many people are offended by someone wishing to use a building for an IC buisness, like an inn no one uses or a smithy or an alchemy store.
I mean, if other people don't use it, I don't understand why they are so hostile to someone who wants to do it.
Also, I don't know, I guess the people who would visit the area/shop opened would determine if it's beneficial or not to people.

Still trying to figure why people throw a shitfit over something they aren't using, I don't see what enjoyement people would get over starting an unnecessary fight over something unused, which could be put to good use. (Vacant, as in, no one frequents it for RP at all)

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Create a list of people that OCCUPY an area. People won't be like "How can you make a list of people that RP in certain areas?! Agh! The council is so oppressing, holding a weekly event! Power to the people!"

Having a "Foot hold" in the city is nice as it can create RP (running a inn, having an office to meet in, etc) When I first started alliance side I tryed to use a building in the cath district, finding out a week later when another guild showed up in it "oh we bought this place.. six years ago" Then you enter [LOL'RP MODE] I think owning a building is fine, provided it's done in a way that doesn't prevent others RP'ing with it.

For instance saying you own a house and then preventing others entering, is an RP block, should not be allowed. But saying you own the house then using it as a store to sell.. weapons, for example, opens up new RP.

I think common sense is all thats needed to see if your being a jerk, or if your creating a way for others to have more fun.

TL/DR Be nice, and think how your objectives will affect other peoples.

Foa wrote:

Ledgic Caan wrote:How would a list of buildings and the people that use them cause any less tension?

People throw a shitfit when claiming a building is even a remotely possibility, creating a list only serves the same purpose.

Good luck finding somewhere to start the RP you wish to start, Foa. But I don't see how this sort've thing would benefit anyone.

Thanks, and sorry if I bothered you, but after a whole thread, I don't see why so many people are offended by someone wishing to use a building for an IC buisness, like an inn no one uses or a smithy or an alchemy store.
I mean, if other people don't use it, I don't understand why they are so hostile to someone who wants to do it.
Also, I don't know, I guess the people who would visit the area/shop opened would determine if it's beneficial or not to people.

Still trying to figure why people throw a shitfit over something they aren't using, I don't see what enjoyement people would get over starting an unnecessary fight over something unused, which could be put to good use. (Vacant, as in, no one frequents it for RP at all)

You're pretty free to use those areas for your RP. What we disagree on is wether or not it's a community responsability to organise who RPs where instead of letting it be a matter between you and whoever else might want to RP in "your spot".

Foa wrote:

Ledgic Caan wrote:How would a list of buildings and the people that use them cause any less tension?

People throw a shitfit when claiming a building is even a remotely possibility, creating a list only serves the same purpose.

Good luck finding somewhere to start the RP you wish to start, Foa. But I don't see how this sort've thing would benefit anyone.

Thanks, and sorry if I bothered you, but after a whole thread, I don't see why so many people are offended by someone wishing to use a building for an IC buisness, like an inn no one uses or a smithy or an alchemy store.
I mean, if other people don't use it, I don't understand why they are so hostile to someone who wants to do it.
Also, I don't know, I guess the people who would visit the area/shop opened would determine if it's beneficial or not to people.

Still trying to figure why people throw a shitfit over something they aren't using, I don't see what enjoyement people would get over starting an unnecessary fight over something unused, which could be put to good use. (Vacant, as in, no one frequents it for RP at all)

Nobody is throwing a shit-fit because people want to use a building to RP in.

By all means go for it!

People throw a shitfit when people want to rp in a building that others are using. because they used it yesterday. As if they have any more rights to the building. Regardless of the intention of actually using that building on that particular day.

If the building is empty on that particular day on that particular time, use it, if not move to the next one. its as easy as that, no need for lists.

That said, having an IC organisation, keep an OOC list is just silly.

Perhaps some of the "problem" is the language used in this. As it always seems to be. It might seem "petty" and "small" but saying "is this claimed" rather "is this vacant/occupied" is quite different.

"claimed" states ownership. No one (player or group) can own any structure or area in the game. Only scripted (or not) NPCs. Blizzards creations.

We can all use them though, occupy vacant areas, or work around existing NPCs etc.

It's true that the "problem" of "owning" areas comes up every so often. It's seldom that much drama unless people are unwilling to listen or talk rationally (hello Volusia and the Ship...). But often results in people saying "calm down" or "not this again"... even when no one is angry, and no one is (yet?!) throwing their weight around.

A thread with a list of buildings occupied or vacant would perhaps work (for Stormwind and surrounding areas to start, as this seems to be the big issue?). But it would need to be just a list. Not a place to argue over who is where or why. Just a list of addresses and those using that space (and when).

Maybe (shock horror) such things could actually create more RP... people working around the same buildings...!

What am I saying, that would be silly.

I'm not sure any group (Council) should need to "control or monitor" this though. It should just be the players talking OOC about it, early as possible, so as to avoid IC/OOC problems later.

That said, having an IC organisation, keep an OOC list is just silly.

List of Old Town shops. People can look on the list and see "Oh, supposedly Inneh owns the poison shop. I'll speak to her about how much it is used, perhaps come to an IC deal."

Without list: "Who owns this shop?!" *waits for answer*

I can set up a little map/list quite easily. There are no de-benefits to it, people don't have to follow it - but again, if someone started barging their way into the back of the Pig claiming they can RP where they like, I wouldn't rate them as an RPer myself.

- Screenshot of each of the districts.
- Numbers on each of the buildings.
- Corresponding numbers in the key with the name of the shop + what it sells + who current owner/renter is.

Simple, easy to use and quick to find owners for those of us who like that sort of RP.

Grufftoof wrote:
A thread with a list of buildings occupied or vacant would perhaps work (for Stormwind and surrounding areas to start, as this seems to be the big issue?). But it would need to be just a list. Not a place to argue over who is where or why. Just a list of addresses and those using that space (and when).
It should just be the players talking OOC about it, early as possible, so as to avoid IC/OOC problems later.

Yeah, that'd be a good idea, just a list.
Also, thanks for pointing out the issue in the language used, I'll be more careful about that

But overall, it would be quite an improvement to have a list of RP locations which is updated, since I've seen a previous thread containing them, but quite a few of them are vacant. An update to it would be quite great.

I have no problems in working out a deal about sharing Stonewatch Keep.

My characters "own" nothing. Yes, the house in Fairbreeze is Aishling her house, but only when empty. If it's being used, Aishling has a sudden ambesia, has forgotten something or just doesn't feel like it anymore.

This is, how I feel it, how "ownership" should be defined. With actual ownership and registration you're not enhancing RP... You're limiting it. If I went away for a month... The room would stay empty because the owner is not there. Or the me, the "owner, could start making a fuss over it when I return... "Because the community appointed me this spot".

What you can do is make a list of merchants, but with no specific place rather than "Valley of Honor", "Old Town" etc. So, no specific buildings. ^^

Grufftoof wrote:Perhaps some of the "problem" is the language used in this. As it always seems to be. It might seem "petty" and "small" but saying "is this claimed" rather "is this vacant/occupied" is quite different.

"claimed" states ownership. No one (player or group) can own any structure or area in the game. Only scripted (or not) NPCs. Blizzards creations.

We can all use them though, occupy vacant areas, or work around existing NPCs etc.

This, so much this.