Re: Current state of DB RP

by **Eodan** Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:41 pm

Delidah / Scuzy wrote:
Nathaniel wrote:BOOM! RP.
I like you.

I like you too. Let us make babies?

by **Frostfeather** Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:52 pm

Mandui wrote:
Frostfeather wrote:The parts are ultimately what makes up the sum.
Exactly, so it's every single RPer that ultimately matters, not guilds xD

Well naturally. I just don't see them as opposites. To me RP guilds consists of RPers. When I speak of a guild I basically mean a group of role players.

So RP guilds are relevant when discussing the state of the realms RP. Sure it is not for everyone and it is not the only factor. It is still an important one IMO.

by **Mandui** Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:57 pm

Frostfeather wrote:So RP guilds are relevant when discussing the state of the realms RP. Sure it is not for everyone and it is not the only factor. It is still an important one IMO.

Well Gen's post was more about how to lead a guild and not so much how guilds affect the current state of RP on DB, or so it came across anyway Razz

by **Timna** Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:11 pm

Nathaniel wrote:I fairly much agree to what Cendia has posted up there. A dwindeling number of RPers? No. A dwindeling number of known RPers? Yes. Just take a look out there. Blades for Hire started off very small. Remained active and true, formed joint events and just grew onwards from there.
The Dreadhowl Pack? I remember chatting with Niara.. Went through many bumps on the road before taking off. They kept consistant events running though and lifted it right off the ground.
The Helmsley house (I hope I spelled it right) are litterally a lifting off like a rocket into outer space. AND gaining members almost daily. Which defies most points stated above already. (Great work by the way you lot. Keep your stuff rolling.)
It's all about getting your mind wrapped around your plans, sticking with it and being prepared to drag people through it if necessary.

Either way.. Those who claim it is difficult to find RP ain't quite looking nor trying. If you come to me saying you roam Stormwind.. Or enter any of the running bars & just stand there is trying to find RP? Wrong. How does one find RP? By initiating it. Something I haven't seen many people do. Also, I believe people are VERY picky on who to RP with. Or just the fact people see someone they know, gasp and then run off to super secret location X. No, that won't trigger RP. It's secluding yourself.
A random bypasser can overhear conversations, get interested and BOOM! RP.
You can form a mini event, where your character is injured, whichever, get help BOOM! RP.
You can simply enter a bar, buy drinks for everyone to celebrate random thing X. BOOM! RP.

And these are just few of the extremely many ways to get RP. And if someone doesn't use captions? So? Doesn't mean the person ain't a sound RPer. If the person makes a few errors? So? Do you prefer turning around and going all bitter of how there's no RP?

What I'm saying is people need to be a lot LESS critic about what they can get to RP, how they get to RP and just get on with it. People come and go, it's how everything works in this world.

Could not have said it better myself.

by **John Helsythe Amaltheria** Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:46 pm

O my, I couldn't reply earlier due to sleep/work. I tried to read all of your posts but admit I am too tired to read all of it.

Firstly I just want to make sure one more time that I didn't make this thread with the intend to complain, cry or mock. As stated in the OP I simply wanted to hear your voices about this matter, and you gave me your voices, so cheers to that =)

What's confusing me however, is the mixed opinions about these matters.

I for one think it's unfair to say "You do not know where to look nor do you even try" however. Because our officer team back in the eyes was working full speed on plots events with both ourselves and outsiders during our say 4 month's existance.

Also I didn't make this post with the intend to state that our server is doomed and dying. But I was more wondering, as I am kind of convinced of the fact that RP -is- diminishing, slowly but surely, how much will be left in MoP, considering it's a "negative" expansion and there are games like GW2/SWtor coming up.

Finally, I made a little list in my main post (mind you, some of you may still consider the following points active enough. But I can't help but to swear that it's less active than usually oO)

-An active Kalimdor community - rp stories were up and running, at a point the circle of elders got formed, I remember 30+ at meetings
-An active Khaz Modan community - many, many events here, and the senate meetings were visited by arathorians, stormwindians and what not. DRS/TTH having loads of people online each day etc.
-An active SW community - I remember 40+ at each meeting over and over again with the most interesting subjects. Not so much anymore. I've as well been walking through SW often. There's little RP to be found. The last week I even dare to call it non existant.
Way more events than we have now - the event section was booming so extremely fast. Not so much anymore.
-Active forums - the blizzard forums were active. Then came these forums. They were extremely active too. nowadays I notice always the same few roleplayers are online and always the same posting.
-An active Stromgarde - no more
-An active light vs dark scene - Now, when the Light side is booming, the dark side isnt. When the dark side is booming, the light side isnt/
-An extremely active smoking blade - well, there is no more smoking blade. Can't say the pig and whistle is active though
-And much more

I deemed these facts (please dont nitpick :p) but because some of you are so optimistic about the current state of DB, I am starting to doubt. Are my observations false? (Mind you, I actually "investigated" this, kept my eyes open, especially for this thread to discuss stuff)

@ Maelmoor. You're definitely right. But in my memory, I remember that DB was a server of both quantity and quality. And that's how I love it.

I think I can match myself best thus far with Ledgic's post.

by **Ataris** Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:37 pm

I'd argue that all those things didn't happen all at once. RP generally happens in waves, and as said before activity tends to jump up at the first 6 months of an expansion.

As for MoP, it might be a shitty expansion, but I doubt it'll affect RP a great deal. If anything, the new talent system might prove to add more character to all the different people in RP.

by **Hermie** Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:28 pm

I have also been slightly upset with the less RP. Especially for Gnomes! Sad

The main things holding me back, from like you said, AD.
- I'd miss the Community to much.
- I'm fairly well known.
- The Gnomish Rescue Squad on AD isn't Gnome Only.
- I'd be a traitor and would never be allowed to speak to you guys again.
- AD has a lot of ERP.
- Although they have the Quantity, we have the Quality! Very Happy

by **Hermie** Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:29 pm

And the list can go on!!

by Guest Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:26 pm

I haven't had any RP in ages Sad

*cries*

by **Lexgrad** Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:31 pm

I would like to see more conflict IC and less OOC.

by **Aldric Essalus Helmfrid** Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:29 am

It's literally dead. There are small pockets and one or two bloated guilds but it's currently nothing compared to how I remember it. It's just inactivity across the board and two/three guilds that are attracting people like flies to a bloated corpse. They want nothing more than sustainable and reliable roleplay and they can't get it on a random level anymore. It has nothing or very little to do with leadership in my opinion.

by **Mandui** Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:36 am

Cyrdain wrote:It's literally dead. There are small pockets and one or two bloated guilds but it's currently nothing compared to how I remember it. It's just inactivity across the board and two/three guilds that are attracting people like flies to a bloated corpse. They want nothing more than sustainable and reliable roleplay and they can't get it on a random level anymore. It has nothing or very little to do with leadership in my opinion.

Here you have the pessimistic sort from my example Very Happy

by **Aldric Essalus Helmfrid** Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:12 am

Fair enough. A Doomsayer am I? Look I was an Officer of a Stormwind roleplay guild and we held an event that threatened the very security of the entire city. We advertised it over two weeks and in the end only four opposition turned up from the expected four guilds that agreed to be there. Some Regiment, Banner of Theramore and Shroud. Either way, it's clear to see if you open your eyes or do a /who of certain guilds or areas these days and the stone cold truth is there in your face. Having an optimistic attitude and thinking everything will be alright is as foolish as telling everyone it's doomed.

by **Frostfeather** Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:20 am

Well one thing that is wrong with this picture is that several people complain about the lack of random rp... Why not just go out and do it?

Bring a friend or do it alone but go IC for an evening doing something your character like. Someone -will- spot you and you -will- meet someone. I've done this is Darnassus from time to time, for years now, and if it works there it will work in SW.

by **Geneviève** Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:20 am

Cyrdain wrote:Fair enough. A Doomsayer am I? Look I was an Officer of a Stormwind roleplay guild and we held an event that threatened the very security of the entire city. We advertised it over two weeks and in the end only four opposition turned up from the expected four guilds that agreed to be there. Some Regiment, Banner of Theramore and Shroud. Either way, it's clear to see if you open your eyes or do a /who of certain guilds or areas these days and the stone cold truth is there in your face. Having an optimistic attitude and thinking everything will be alright is as foolish as telling everyone it's doomed.

I remember that event. The Seal weren't informed. Perhaps if we had been attendence would have been to your liking? Wink

In the year I've been on the server I'd say realm wide activity (excluding Kalimdor...Yeah, half realm-wide then!) is about the same. Or was until I disbanded the Seal. Since then I've found it harder to find RP when I wanted it so there may very well be some truth in people's pessemistic observations. However, in my continued observation of the server I've been informed that many of the Seal's old members have quit the game or moved server in our absense so perhaps activity was not such a problem until very recently? Then again perhaps Skyrim is truly to blame, and is merely a temporary blip?

In regards to our personal disagreement on what a successful guild requires, Crydain, I have only this to say. If it has nothing to do with the rather elusive quality of leadership then please go ahead and prove it by creating an equally impressive 'bloated corpse'.

by **Mandui** Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:24 am

Cyrdain wrote:Fair enough. A Doomsayer am I? Look I was an Officer of a Stormwind roleplay guild and we held an event that threatened the very security of the entire city. We advertised it over two weeks and in the end only four opposition turned up from the expected four guilds that agreed to be there. Some Regiment, Banner of Theramore and Shroud. Either way, it's clear to see if you open your eyes or do a /who of certain guilds or areas these days and the stone cold truth is there in your face. Having an optimistic attitude and thinking everything will be alright is as foolish as telling everyone it's doomed.

Never got to hear about that event, although I do keep myself fairly informed :/

by **Ishap/Virock** Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:50 am

Why the hell is this conversation going on, go out, RP with everyone who wants to RP and everything's cool, within half an hour of me logging on tonight, while i was in an instance i got asked to join in some RP, make a character that sticks out and is known to people outside your guild and RP will just happen, guild events are good aye - they bring all people in that niche together aye but at the end of the day do you want to completely occupy that niche or spread out of it? (i apologise for the rambling nature of this, I'm pretty drunk and it's almost 5am)

by **Lorainne/Bridlington** Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:18 am

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I can comment on Frostfeather, and say that the Kalimdor community has shrunken considerably. There are many contributing factors I may write out some time, but not now.

On the other hand, the Eastern Kingdoms community seems quite stable to me. A few large guilds and a handful of small guilds have perished in the half year that I have been on this side of the ocean, but many have also taken the place of these fallen guilds.

Fresh ideas that come with new role players and guilds keep role play interesting. In my eyes we seem to be lacking this lately, because the community is too critical.
People do not want to be bashed for showing initiative.

by Guest Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:19 am

*Bashes Tsu for showing initiative*

by **corleth** Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:14 pm

Geneviève wrote:I remember that event. The Seal weren't informed. Perhaps if we had been attendence would have been to your liking?

Tarvik was dead and the Seal disbanded for a number of weeks before the event Cyrdain is speaking of took place. Although I disagree with Cyrdain that guild-leadership has nothing to do with it, (the officers of all the guilds I've been; perhaps, ripping into throughout this thread have guild leaders and officers I admire, in a way) I do believe that the large guilds within SW hold a monopoly over random RP... and when the largest guilds are mercenaries, worgens and assassins... how can that be a good thing? For Stormwind RP?

by **Frostfeather** Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:51 pm

Tsurana/Lorainne wrote:I can comment on Frostfeather, and say that the Kalimdor community has shrunken considerably. There are many contributing factors I may write out some time, but not now.

Since when?

by **Lorainne/Bridlington** Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:55 pm

It has been shrinking since the end of the Cultist Campaign.

by **Geneviève** Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:59 pm

Ah, I thought he was referring to an event in Duskwood a few months back. My mistake.

Perhaps a good way of explaining why I don't mind the current...social make up IC at the moment is that I believe it's closer to a semblence of reality. Mercenaries (which includes, to my mind, the RHS), nobles leading their own feudal forces, and peasants (Worgen or otherwise - The Cartel).

I think we need more of the same type of guild. Tarvik and I always hoped to see 3-4 noble guilds. But Mistmantle failed to take off and our real lives dragged us away before Helmsley reared it's golden head. However, if you intend to ask whether we wanted to see more noble guilds at the expense of the Seal, or whether we wanted to see their recruitment come at the expense of the knightly orders, religious nutters, lordaeron fangurls, and we're so evul cults. I'd have to answer truthfully that it was the latter.

The Seal was an attempt to compensate ourselves and our members for what we percieved as lacking in the community at large. We wanted a focus on the mundane, rather than the spectacular.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I believe what is happening now is a move in the right direction. Away from the shining knights and polished soldier towards the grubby peasant and the grimy man-at-arms. Which leads me to the conclusion that what is 'good' and 'bad' for Stormwind RP is really dependant upon what each individual wants and that is why there is no real consensus to be had.

by **itsy** Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:01 pm

Geneviève wrote:I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I believe what is happening now is a move in the right direction. Away from the shining knights and polished soldier towards the grubby peasant and the grimy man-at-arms. Which leads me to the conclusion that what is 'good' and 'bad' for Stormwind RP is really dependant upon what each individual wants and that is why there is no real consensus to be had.

I don't really understand this. None of the three major guilds people are talking about focus on grubby peasants or grimy men-at-arms. The Ravenholdt and Blade seem to focus on being super awesome badass ninja/mercenaries. And the Dreadhowl pack are all worgen, not sure about what exactly their rp is but the last time I saw one was when he was running around Stormwind eating shadowmagic and randomly savaging guards Razz

by **Sorayah** Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:22 pm

Tsurana/Lorainne wrote:It has been shrinking since the end of the Cultist Campaign.

Based on my experiences on the server, I'd say it's slowly been shrinking ever since I joined the server (hopefully before that as well.. Rolling Eyes

), which was over a year ago. I didn't notice any effect from the said campaign (rp was low quantity before it, rose during it, fell back to low after, which I think is normal)

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