Re: The "other game thread"

by **Muzjhath** Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:31 am

Helm, the biggest problem most people had with FF13 was that the first 30 or so hours of it was just "Run down along the narrow corridors with no choise of a path!"

Which is... the opposite of what everyone expects when picking up an FF title, and what few want from an RPG in the first place.
I liked the story, but after doing some mistakes at the early CD 3 made me suck... So now I'm watching a let's play for the ending and the rest of the game.

For most parts FF13 was a good game. It was just far to bloody tedious for most people to play close to thirty hours with not any freeroming at fucking all.

Edit: And when on the subject of games, this looks so tasty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiU57B1dfss
Do want.

by **Lavian** Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:31 am

FF13 did have a "linearity" issue but the way I see it the linearity was just more obvious in FF13. I have played and played through to the end but when it all comes down to it some of the previous FF titles had it too. Final Fantasy Seven for example, I know this sounds crazy but stick with me. Sure there was an open world map to explore to go and do off-plot things such as chocobo/golden saucer etc but for the most part if you were following the story of the game that was for the most part linearity as that story had only one direction. Sure for most people didn't see that as linearity but it just wasn't obvious to notice, where sadly FF13 had the misfortune of being too damn obvious in its linearity.

Glad they fixed it for FF13-2 and will be picking it up in the near future, I do hear it's picked up on the mistakes of 13 and sure I will enjoy it. My only complaint is all the DLC the game will get as I have an xbox without xbox live. Sad

Nice to see the game has multiple endings too but the idea of time travel always irked me as it's such a hard topic to make "feel right". So let's hope they nailed that one.

Spoiler:

by **Ralegh** Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:06 am

Helmfrid wrote:Bought FinalFantasy XIII-2 today. Can't wait to play it!
*prepares to be flamed*

Only reason i would flame final fantasy is for not giving me another version of tactics....
(the good version... with the wartorn country and all that, not the gameboy or DS version....)

by **Lavian** Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:18 am

Ezlbag wrote:
Helmfrid wrote:Bought FinalFantasy XIII-2 today. Can't wait to play it!
*prepares to be flamed*
Only reason i would flame final fantasy is for not giving me another version of tactics....
(the good version... with the wartorn country and all that, not the gameboy or DS version....)

Original Playstation one? I have that, that game is so amazing but gets so easy once you have Cid. Or easier.

Though got to hand it atleast, the cell shaded cinematics were decent in the lion war version:

by **Ralegh** Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:40 am

Eira wrote:
Ezlbag wrote:
Helmfrid wrote:Bought FinalFantasy XIII-2 today. Can't wait to play it!
*prepares to be flamed*
Only reason i would flame final fantasy is for not giving me another version of tactics....
(the good version... with the wartorn country and all that, not the gameboy or DS version....)

Original Playstation one? I have that, that game is so amazing but gets so easy once you have Cid. Or easier.

Though got to hand it atleast, the cell shaded cinematics were decent in the lion war version:

Fuck yeah!
Cid was far to overpowered indeed, it was like fighting with a demigod on your side... i managed to run into a weird sort of encounter where there were like fifteen monks... doesn't matter had cid.

by **Morinth** Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:45 am

FF XIII was so... boring, for the first 25 hours or so. You had no freedom to explore, every area was a straight forward "Run down this path and kill some beasties."

But alas, I'm a Final Fantasy fan... The 2nd part is incoming as I replay the first part. The new additions to the game look fabulous, and I can't wait to get a little more freedom with my exploration again.

by **Lyniath** Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:02 pm

I've never really... "got into" japanese games as a whole, let alone J-RPG's. There's something about the way they model characters and the whole "everyone looks a bit asian but is supposed to be western" in some of the chars... I dunno. And I really dont like how combat works in the RPGs.

by **Morinth** Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:41 pm

Haven't noticed that. Razz

The artwork is so unique, and as the games have progressed, characters have become so much more detailed and more... 'human' if you will, and less manga-like. Final Fantasy XIII is a great example of how different they all are. You have the that blockhead Snow, built like a battle tank. Then you've got little Hope, a young boy, and you can see it in his dress sense. They don't look at all Asian to me.

Besides. Sazh has a fucking afro. With a baby Chocobo in it. /win.

by **Lavian** Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:45 pm

Let's not forget the obvious australians.

by **Lyniath** Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:49 pm

Morinth wrote:Haven't noticed that. The artwork is so unique, and as the games have progressed, characters have become so much more detailed and more... 'human' if you will, and less manga-like. Final Fantasy XIII is a great example of how different they all are. You have the that blockhead Snow, built like a battle tank. Then you've got little Hope, a young boy, and you can see it in his dress sense. They don't look at all Asian to me.

Besides. Sazh has a fucking afro. With a baby Chocobo in it. /win.

Its the EYEEEEES...............
Not even that they look asian, they look so clearly styled by an asian.

by **Morinth** Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:54 pm

Eira wrote:Let's not forget the obvious australians.

I felt they were more... New Zealand accents. Razz

Just ever so slightly different.

by **Aldric Essalus Helmfrid** Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:59 pm

Yeah like I said in my previous post I also agree FFXIII was a bad Final Fantasy game but in my honest opinion, disregarding all the flaming it got which I think went over the top, it was a pretty decent rpg. The story kept me going. I felt the linearity of the game made the story more prominent and focussed. You where -always- pushing the plot forward and it was an amazing and imaginative one at that.

They took a risk and it backfired in the eyes of die-hard FF fans but I know some FF newbies but rpg lovers and they thought it was a decent game. It gave us that awesome battle-system (Barr the auto battle WHICH IS STILL IN XIII-2!!!).

Ahh.. auto battle.. why.. WHY!?

Atleast now you can go into the options and make it so your cursor starts on the abilities menu by default at the start of a battle but if you have a haste buff or execute a preemptive strike ad have a full ATB guage.. you'd be dumb not to use auto battle to que up a stack of abilities quicker, which annoys me. There are two modes to the game now, normal and easy. On normal mode they should have taken auto-battle out of the game and tuned it around that, easy should be where you spam auto-battle and faceroll to the end of the game.

by **Aldric Essalus Helmfrid** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:01 pm

Morinth wrote:
Eira wrote:Let's not forget the obvious australians.

I felt they were more... New Zealand accents. Just ever so slightly different.

Same. Rest assured the character's in this one are -very- japanese. Serah, Noel and Lightning. I miss Sazh and Snow! Though I suspect Snow will turn up sometime.

by **Morinth** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:06 pm

I'll miss Fang. Sad

Where there's Serah, there's Snow drooling in the background declaring his undying love. And Lightning wanting to punch him.

by **Aldric Essalus Helmfrid** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:07 pm

Oh haha... you'll be suprised Morinth Wink

How things have changed!

It's a bit of a mind-fuck but that's time travel for you! XD

by **Morinth** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:09 pm

I make a habit not to spoil new games for myself by reading up on them and watching videos! Razz

But I'll be disappointed if Snow and Serah ain't got married yet... I blame the pair of them for the events of the first game!

by **Lavian** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:30 pm

Blame them? How come?

by **Muzjhath** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:31 pm

Tbh Helm, outbattle was already there. You could set it so you only had to control say one character back in FF7 I think. It just wasn't that open but you actually had to look for it in the controle menues.

And yes, all FF games are linere to a point. It's just that an illusion of freedom makes you far more happy to just not care about the freedom and keep going, than a straight on railway. Which will almost always make you want to fight against it.

FF13 is first "Corridor with NOTHING!" then "open world that makes you lose track of what you're doing" instead of a good ballance.
I've had this discussion a lot with a friend who stopped playing at early disc 2 I think because he found it all to tedious.

by **Lavian** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:34 pm

Yeah thats the thing, linearity is in all FF's to some level. FF13's was just more blatantly obvious.

And I don't mind autobattle because if you did the gran pulse quests you'd learn that the fights resorted to actively using paradigm shift back and forth the more the bosses got tougher.

by **Morinth** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:38 pm

Eira wrote:Blame them? How come?

Most of the start of the game involved Snow screaming YOUR HERO IS COMING SERAH! And they all became L'cie, minus Vanille and Fang obviously, by following Snow and Lightning to rescue Serah. Razz

Loud-mouth Snow+Damsel-in-Distress Serah = You're all pretty fucked now.

by **Lavian** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:47 pm

True, and hope being an emo fart for most of the game. Then his balls drop.

by **Morinth** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:49 pm

Eira wrote:True, and hope being an emo fart for most of the game. Then his balls drop.

He irritated the fuck out of me until he discovered he was male. Razz

Now he's one of my favourites. Fang, Lightning and Hope made up my main party whenever I could have the three together.

by **Lavian** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:52 pm

For myself the part consisted of Fang as commando, being the best commando to have afterall. Lightning as ravager as thats the best ravager and then I used vanille instead of hope, hope had too little HP for my taste and Vanille is pretty useful once you get her synergist tree up.

by **Muzjhath** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:56 pm

I'm actually thinking about restarting FF 13 from the start. Since one reason I stopped playing was that I took a brake, and when I came back I was "okay... wtf is going on?"

by **Morinth** Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:07 pm

Muzjhath wrote:I'm actually thinking about restarting FF 13 from the start. Since one reason I stopped playing was that I took a brake, and when I came back I was "okay... wtf is going on?"

Just did so myself! Finished the game the first time round, and I always like to play a game again when a sequel emerges. Just hit the Vile Peaks. Very Happy

I occasionally switch to Vanille in place of Hope myself, but only if I need a very strict set of Paradigms for a difficult mark on Gran Pulse, seeing as they all excel in different areas. I found Hope to be one of the best Ravagers in the game along with Lightning, he had a solid Medic set too. Vanille was a superb Medic as well, but her Saboteur was amazing. Fang was my Commando too. For the luls, I sometimes took Snow along purely for the ridiculous amount of HP he had with his Sentinel role. xD Apart from that, I found him useless.

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