Path of Conquest: Chapter II [Concluded]

Right'o

Vectoria wrote:
Oh and hai Sora... hey Theraluin..

Hai hai!

You weaklings got trashed again... I mean good to see the events are moving along.

Gilraen wrote:You weaklings got trashed again... I mean good to see the events are moving along.

Maybe if you bothered helping we might do better. But hey, I'm sure the sidelines are comfortable.

^_^

Drustai wrote:

Gilraen wrote:You weaklings got trashed again... I mean good to see the events are moving along.

Maybe if you bothered helping we might do better. But hey, I'm sure the sidelines are comfortable.

^_^

Can't . No WoW where I am currently. Maybe when I return back home.

Would be fancy to lose all 3 regions as far as I am concerned. Then this server lore would match the current in game lore. And endless drama of whose fault this is will comense.

He's afraid of the goblins rogues, so much skill, we don't even see them ourselves.

Gilraen wrote:

Drustai wrote:

Gilraen wrote:You weaklings got trashed again... I mean good to see the events are moving along.

Maybe if you bothered helping we might do better. But hey, I'm sure the sidelines are comfortable.

^_^

Can't . No WoW where I am currently. Maybe when I return back home.

Would be fancy to lose all 3 regions as far as I am concerned. Then this server lore would match the current in game lore. And endless drama of whose fault this is will comense.

Alliance find someone to blame for a defeat.

The Horde do something about it.

krogon wrote: Alliance find someone to blame for a defeat.

The Horde do something about it.

Obviously. It's an alliance of sovereign nations and not the Warchief and lapdogs.

Spoiler:

You can't really be the one to judge much of the whining and/or crying (tautology) when you're not even there to begin with. Nice trolling attempt though!

The alliance seems more like the dogs, all bark, no bite.
Rawr, the horde is wolves. Largely uncivilized, lots of rage.

But both sides have lots of bitches v.v

You're my bitch, Kris. So you may be right there.

Well... you're a dog!

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:The alliance seems more like the dogs, all bark, no bite.

I /bit an orc during the Dustwallow battle.

Gilraen wrote:

krogon wrote: Alliance find someone to blame for a defeat.

The Horde do something about it.

Obviously. It's an alliance of sovereign nations and not the Warchief and lapdogs.

Spoiler:

The proof in the pudding is that this campaign IC'ly was started as a retaliation for alliance advances in the southern barrens.

Spoiler:

When the Horde loose, they change the rules, plan and setup till they win.

People need to stop taking this all so seriously. Back and forth accusations and drama is just going to ruin the fun. Shit happens, you get over it and move on. /shrug

Jeanpierre wrote:When the Horde loose, they change the rules, plan and setup till they win.

If you'd like to have a civilised and constructive discussion about rules and their implimentation, i would be very thrilled. However, while the alliance rage quit battles becuase they lose, like in the Slugewerks, i'm inclined to think it would only be a discussion of rage and grievance.

Winning is Irellevent, you CANT win everything everytime.

Having fun, in a constructive, In character way where nobody breaks the rules is the aim.

if your attending these events and battles for anything else other than what i stated, i suggest you go back to stormwind or visit a Battleground.

So hilarious to see who this is coming from :')

Gnash wrote:You can't really be the one to judge much of the whining and/or crying (tautology) when you're not even there to begin with. Nice trolling attempt though!

Mostly a semi troll attempt based on my long experience on DB. Plus that comment deserved such a silly answer. Add the two sentences and you describe both communities.

Tsk tsk... I should have added ten times more smileys and wrote outright that it was a joke, people seem to take it too seriously.

krogon wrote:

If you'd like to have a civilised and constructive discussion about rules and their implimentation, i would be very thrilled. However, while the alliance rage quit battles becuase they lose, like in the Slugewerks, i'm inclined to think it would only be a discussion of rage and grievance.

Winning is Irellevent, you CANT win everything everytime.

Having fun, in a constructive, In character way where nobody breaks the rules is the aim.

if your attending these events and battles for anything else other than what i stated, i suggest you go back to stormwind or visit a Battleground.

You know I screenshotted that lil' chat on the Cult channel during the battle at High Road, right?
(<3 Tho at that point it was a bit more justified than this lil' incident)

Now perhaps I have some perspective because I've been away; don't give a shit about PvP in a game with arbitrary RNG, no hit detection, clickable skills, etc; or haven't taken part in this recent campaign.

But it is dissapointing and embarassing to see the pathetic, juvenile, and hyprocritical comments being thrown around by both sides. Neither side was quicker off the mark than the other to start whining when they lost so man the fuck up and take it on the chin. Krogon, you usually secure the top spot in my 'hall of fame' for most pathetic response after PvP so why don't you just take a few deeps breaths, back off from the conversation and never involve yourself in any form of competition ever again? I think it might do you some good.

JeanPierre, I actually read your post as if you'd laced it with intentional sarcasm, poking fun at the people who do care too much. Probably because I believe you understand this is a game. If I'm wrong, you can join Krogon.

The Seal was asked to take part last night, but can you really be surprised if I'm loath to uproot my guild from their RP just so they can have the 'pleasure' of playing with you guys? It's embarassing that I should have to factor OOC issues into an IC decision but I'm not going to 'not enjoy myself' just so a bunch of pricks with too few accomplishments in their real lives can squabble over who was corpse camping, who combat ressed, and Light forbid took to the high ground!

And just to round this off I'm going to salute Drustai for her response.

krogon wrote:

Jeanpierre wrote:When the Horde loose, they change the rules, plan and setup till they win.

If you'd like to have a civilised and constructive discussion about rules and their implimentation, i would be very thrilled. However, while the alliance rage quit battles becuase they lose, like in the Slugewerks, i'm inclined to think it would only be a discussion of rage and grievance.

Winning is Irellevent, you CANT win everything everytime.

Having fun, in a constructive, In character way where nobody breaks the rules is the aim.

if your attending these events and battles for anything else other than what i stated, i suggest you go back to stormwind or visit a Battleground.

I'd like to refer you to the mirror reaction the Horde took to the Southern Barrens campaign but the aim of this part of my post is to be constructive.

I've said half a dozen times the way to make RPPvP conflict work is to impose as few rules as possible. Let corpsecamping happen, let them combat res, let them do whatever the hell they think will improve their odds of winning and you do the same. Then the losers only have Blizzards terrible combat system to blame when they lose and not 'rulebreakers' on the other side. If you're not mature enough to handle being corpsecamped you really shouldn't be playing on a PvP server at all, never mind seeking out RPPvP.

Geneviève wrote:And just to round this off I'm going to salute Drustai for her response.

I mean no offense but you could have saluted it better by not writing most of the rest of your post which is just going to help continue the drama I think. <.<

Geneviève wrote:Now perhaps I have some perspective because I've been away; don't give a shit about PvP in a game with arbitrary RNG, no hit detection, clickable skills, etc; or haven't taken part in this recent campaign.

But it is dissapointing and embarassing to see the pathetic, juvenile, and hyprocritical comments being thrown around by both sides. Neither side was quicker off the mark than the other to start whining when they lost so man the fuck up and take it on the chin...

You base your entire standpoint on my campaign on the basis of the way some people reply in these threads? So much for that miracle of a perspective you think you have.

The Seal was asked to take part last night, but can you really be surprised if I'm loath to uproot my guild from their RP just so they can have the 'pleasure' of playing with you guys? It's embarassing that I should have to factor OOC issues into an IC decision but I'm not going to 'not enjoy myself' just so a bunch of pricks with too few accomplishments in their real lives can squabble over who was corpse camping, who combat ressed, and Light forbid took to the high ground!

If that is the way you feel, it is indeed better that you do not attend. Seems perfectly valid. I do like to point out that there are quite a few people that are not, as you call it, pricks and simply attend these campaigns because they are a good excuse to role-play in a different setting; with different people; and in general doing something different than patrol Stormwind City and sit in a tavern all night.

I'd like to refer you to the mirror reaction the Horde took to the Southern Barrens campaign but the aim of this part of my post is to be constructive.

What reaction in the Southern Barrens campaign?

I've said half a dozen times the way to make RPPvP conflict work is to impose as few rules as possible. Let corpsecamping happen, let them combat res, let them do whatever the hell they think will improve their odds of winning and you do the same. Then the losers only have Blizzards terrible combat system to blame when they lose and not 'rulebreakers' on the other side. If you're not mature enough to handle being corpsecamped you really shouldn't be playing on a PvP server at all, never mind seeking out RPPvP.

So basically you're saying that we all just ought to gang up on one another, corpsecamp each other, and resurrect whenever you feel like it? I'm starting to understand why you don't give a shit about PvP -- if I were to implement something like this, there wouldn't be a campaign to begin with. Everyone would've rage-quit after the first day!

We have but three simple rules implemented right now: 1. No resurrecting mid-battle (got changed from corpse-running after Jomir and I received feedback) 2. No corpsecamping. Ever. 3. No flying mounts. Hardly a five inch thick book of law if you ask me. Jomir and I handle complaints, as long as the names of the offenders get passed on to us.

Geneviève wrote:But it is dissapointing and embarassing to see the pathetic, juvenile, and hyprocritical comments being thrown around by both sides. Neither side was quicker off the mark than the other to start whining when they lost so man the fuck up and take it on the chin. Krogon, you usually secure the top spot in my 'hall of fame' for most pathetic response after PvP so why don't you just take a few deeps breaths, back off from the conversation and never involve yourself in any form of competition ever again? I think it might do you some good.

Everybody whines at times, some more than others. I've seen quite a few posts after events of this nature where you are far from any high horses. I know I lack them quite often. Most of what's been in these threads have been quite good natured, there's been one and a half "major" insident. The first one was the rush that came 30 seconds early, the second was the question if there was CCing happening on the highroad. Otherwise most "whine" I've heard have been during battles and thing of that sort. Doubt that's only one side that has it. I know Krogon can whine, but generally he does it over fair points (if a bit over the top). And he does try to promote the fighting over all.

Geneviève wrote:

krogon wrote:

Jeanpierre wrote:When the Horde loose, they change the rules, plan and setup till they win.

If you'd like to have a civilised and constructive discussion about rules and their implimentation, i would be very thrilled. However, while the alliance rage quit battles becuase they lose, like in the Slugewerks, i'm inclined to think it would only be a discussion of rage and grievance.

Winning is Irellevent, you CANT win everything everytime.

Having fun, in a constructive, In character way where nobody breaks the rules is the aim.

if your attending these events and battles for anything else other than what i stated, i suggest you go back to stormwind or visit a Battleground.

I'd like to refer you to the mirror reaction the Horde took to the Southern Barrens campaign but the aim of this part of my post is to be constructive.

I've said half a dozen times the way to make RPPvP conflict work is to impose as few rules as possible. Let corpsecamping happen, let them combat res, let them do whatever the hell they think will improve their odds of winning and you do the same. Then the losers only have Blizzards terrible combat system to blame when they lose and not 'rulebreakers' on the other side. If you're not mature enough to handle being corpsecamped you really shouldn't be playing on a PvP server at all, never mind seeking out RPPvP.

One big problem with the SOuthern Barrens campaign (the last one) was that there was almost no Horde initative. Very few knew of it. Sadly almost no one seemed to care about it. The Red Blade had other plots that changed about three-five days before the first battle. And in generall we lacked over all leadership. This round I belive Gnash has tried to have alliance involved before. And he even set up some events some weeks before it all started for them to know what was going on (TTH encountered some couriers with information).
Also, from my own experience the battles during that campaign had different rules almost every engagement. "Corpserun" "No Corpserun" "Do this/do that". Led to confusion and well, half the time not knowing. This round we've had four rules that have been followed very well so far, some small misses but nothing major really. The rules being "No corpserunning" "No corpsecamping" ... I can't remember the third right now but it's one of the normal. And number four is "Have fun". And we've had no combatresses whatso ever allowed to make it easier to see etc.
Every battle, even those with some silly conditions and resourses have still have a very clearcut of "It's over when -this-". And both sides have won some and lose some. The battles Monday evening, battle 1 and 2 I had honestly believe we had lost when we won, so not like most battles are onesided deals.

The only battle that has gone bad would be the first into Stonetalon. And that was because of some missunderstandings and the fact that it was fully objectbased and not had any clear ballance. (Since, it is impossible for one person to get five people who are ungeared out from under the eyes of 5-7).

As for the Corpsecamping. I have no problem with it, when it happens when I'm out in the world I justmove away and make tea or so. But when RPPVPing it's not fun for either side if one side spends 30 minutes mostly just being dead and waiting for their ressurection timer. Once a battle is over you have to let both sides reform or it will be very boring for the losing side and they'll have no chance what so ever. Same with corpserunning, unless you wait up and ress enmass you'll most likely not be able to get the jump on the other side (We've all done it when out in the field against someone who CC us in groups). The problem with that is that if everyone on one side is dead. The battle is won. And if we use the hypthetical situation that the battle had been going on for 10-20 minutes before that I'm quite sure that not that many people are up for two-four more battles.

/Addage: And, I see Gnash posted before me...