IC poison suggestions

So im finally going to make a GHI book of poisons and what not, what it takes to make them and what the effect is, but i need suggestions for new poisons rather than the ones that already are in the game.
Suggest names and effects or simply take poisons from real life and give them a new name, herbs needed for the poisons listed would be very neat aswell! please help out

Viagra! N'aaww xD

What about something like.. itch-poison?

Yeah ill make you some darn viagra >_> jeez, but yeah itch, thats a good one, what do we call it and what herbs do we use?

This sort of thing crossed my mind countless times. Though I always waved it off for a big reason. As RPing a physician, my character is supposed to know a great deal about poisons, cures, and treatments. Myself, the player, however, shouldn't be required to know it. It would make it a pain to "study" all poisons and antidotes, and would probably commit slips that I feel my character just wouldn't.
I avoid streamlining anything, be it in Alchemy, Engineering, Enchanting, Herbs, etc.

Some kind of mind paranoia thingy. Makes you see things!

Ovelia "Snow" Adair wrote:Some kind of mind paranoia thingy. Makes you see things!

That stuff in Max Payne the movie. Makes you see a whole different world and like angels and shit in there.. makes you go super super strong/powerful or either totally incapacitates/makes you insane. And then you can do a /roll and if they roll like.. 1-5 they get super powerful (5% chance) for example.

Maybe something unique like this?

Maybe to be used in special situations yeah, nice suggestions thus far, come up with more you gits! drug suggestions are fine too even though there may be a thread for that..

I'll start with something my chemistry teacher always told me. "Everything in this world is deadly. The question that matters is at which quantity it gets deadly." You can even die from water. Drink 5 liter distilled water in a certain timelimit and you'll die from it.

My favourite poison is Botulinum. Deadliest substance known to mankind. I'm also a big fan of drugs. Using an overdosis of drugs on someone is an efficient poison, especially since drugs get lethal rather quickly in small doses.

I'm sure there's lists of toxins on the internet/wikipedia. Try looking for neurotoxins and hemotoxins, those are especially nasty. One targets the nerves, the other kills your blood essentially. Painful stuff.

I've made some poisoned food/water/potions for the Ravenholdt Sanctuary already so I'll write up something for you about the background shit about them nd you can feel free to edit it etc

Mansfield \ Ath wrote:

Ovelia "Snow" Adair wrote:Some kind of mind paranoia thingy. Makes you see things!

That stuff in Max Payne the movie. Makes you see a whole different world and like angels and shit in there.. makes you go super super strong/powerful or either totally incapacitates/makes you insane. And then you can do a /roll and if they roll like.. 1-5 they get super powerful (5% chance) for example.

Maybe something unique like this?

Havn't seen the movie so can't comment on that.

However a reverse tranq shot. Instead of soothing rage. Why not encourage it? Afterall enraged targets can't think with their heads.

A berzerk poison could do yeah, seen it used in games and such.

To be honest, I really enjoy making up poisons as I go along -- not so much the effects but the names and what goes into them. Not saying that you shouldn't compile a GHI book, that would be awesome, but I think trying to make it in anyway a complete list -- or even anything close to a complete list -- would be rather limiting.

Yeah it would be, could be nice to have a start somewhere though, as id write poisons down if one just suddenly appeared in my mind

Fair stuff! I've always liked numbing poisons myself, might come up with a couple of those with names, ingredients.

Maybe take a look at the history of poison, WoW being in a way a mix of different ages should give you a large array of posibilities.

Nithel wrote:
My favourite poison is Botulinum. Deadliest substance known to mankind. I'm also a big fan of drugs. Using an overdosis of drugs on someone is an efficient poison, especially since drugs get lethal rather quickly in small doses.

Now then...

Botulinum is quite likely indeed the most deadly protein currently known to science (indeed we have known about it, in some way, for 1000s of years, the name is Latin). Botulinum is also a good example of something very simple. In a way very common. The name comes from the latin from sausage, think infected, rotten meat. Think how easy it would be to create a poison from introducing putrified flesh (or some other food/vegetable matter, or even fecal matter) into the body (from a dart, or coated blade). Wouldn't need a terrible cut, just a small wound, and the poison would do its work.

Purposeful exposure to something like tetanus would also be like this. And it's possible a rogue or someone could carry "dirty" weapons of their own. Hell, theoretically you could make a "dirty bomb" - OH EM GEE! THE HORDE/ALLIANCE HAVE WMD! (other than the New Plague etc :p).

Would you want to poison someone over time? Send them mad? Use it as blackmail (if you had the only cure, or even better, if you administered a binary toxin, something that needed a trigger, which you could administer whenever you wished). The power of poison doesn’t have to be instant. It could be terrorism.

Much depends on what you want the toxin to do, or how the toxin effects the body. Is it (like many) a neurotoxin, something that effects the CNS? Does it stop the heart/liver/kidney/brain function? Would, in this world of warcraft, it do something much different - sever the magic of the person, taint them with fel/demon/something else? Could you maybe even do something "much worse" - a poison that cuts the "silver thread" – severing/damaging someone’s soul?

Poisons are (like drugs, well, many are very like drugs - they’re the same substances – alcohol, nicotine etc are poisons) everywhere. You could make a poison from many household items. From beans to rhubarb, from shellfish to cigarettes.

I’d say this would hand in hand with the “drug” topic? For examples of drugs that could be used in larger doses as poisons? Or something similar?

grufftoof wrote:
Would you want to poison someone over time? Send them mad? Use it as blackmail (if you had the only cure, or even better, if you administered a binary toxin, something that needed a trigger, which you could administer whenever you wished). The power of poison doesn’t have to be instant. It could be terrorism.

I've actually never looked into the possibility of creating a binary toxin. You sir, are a genius. Chapeau. My hat goes off for you.

It's worth noting that the technical term is toxin, not poison. Poisons are just a subgroup of toxins, specifically those that need to be inhaled or digested.

The other groups are venoms (bloodstream/wounds), muscle-toxins, neuro-toxins and inorganic toxins (copper, lead, gold, arsenic, mercury or anything radioactive such as polonium, uranium, radium, thorium, , and so forth).

Toxins that ought to be avoided are cyanide, strychnine and most neurotoxins since they are virtually exclusively produced in modern chemical industry. These are the really effective stuff though.

Some plants that were frequently used is belladonna, wormroot and wolf's bane. They were easy to mask and often mixed into alcohol (which made them so much more potent) that the victim drank. Not unusually was it all mixed together for a really potent poison, causing fevers and hallucinations within the hour and then more or less induces a coma. Those few that live often come out of it crippled for life. Difficult to get the dosage right though...

Another popular mix was arsenic and mercury... but it's quite difficult to mask (it tastes rather distinct and bitter). It can however pass straight through the skin into the bloodstream however.

Venoms are virtually always taken directly from the plant or animal kingdom. Snake-venom for instance, or that of spiders. They tend to be harmless if ingested though (destroyed in the stomach). Good for applying onto weapons.

It's also worth noting that all inhaled poisons and neuro-toxins are extremely dangerous to the user. It's not something anyone will want to carry on their person unless absolutely necessary. A single slip up and you've inhaled a deadly dose.

And as grufftoof mentions, what they do exactly depends on which organs are affected. Toxins that damage the airways can be instant and are virtually always lethal. Toxins that affect the heart however, will take several minutes. The really common toxins will take out the liver and the victim will spend the next few days helplessly dying.

Gahalla wrote:
Toxins that ought to be avoided are cyanide, strychnine and most neurotoxins since they are virtually exclusively produced in modern chemical industry. These are the really effective stuff though.

Didn't old man Nero of Rome use cyanide?

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:

Gahalla wrote:
Toxins that ought to be avoided are cyanide, strychnine and most neurotoxins since they are virtually exclusively produced in modern chemical industry. These are the really effective stuff though.

Didn't old man Nero of Rome use cyanide?

Not pure Cyanide I think, it's a very small and basic molecule ( CN ) that's not very stable in itself. It does however exist naturally in things like almonds, many nuts, the seeds of certain fruits and similar. It's possible you could create a cyanide derivate using those (or just make people eats lots and lots of the source).

It won't nearly be as deadly as the industrial variant though (think mustard-gas, suicide pills and such for that).

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However... the truly skilled assassins in history used poisons on their target over very long periods. We're talking weeks, months or years. Slowly increasing the dose retained in the body until it reached lethal levels. I did read that the longest poisoning known in history was performed over the course of ten years.

I'll also remind you that algea and bacteria can have cyanide in them, like the blue algea (wich is a cyanobacteria) and fungi. Those suckers are not healthy and when I'm up in sweden during vacations i hear about them once in a while.


Edit: i can't directly find anything that says it's cyanide that is the danger in those algea, but there are some components that resemble them.


It might be harder ingame to get a threatment for it, for example natrium nitrite.

@ Galhalla:

There is an "interesting" story/belief that Napoleon poisoned himself (or was poinsoned) on St Helena with arsenic in the wall paper. The dampness/humidity of the air adding to the potency of the arsenic that was either already in the wall paper as part of the dye, or placed there to kill him (but make it look like a natural death - even deposed and defeated, it wouldn't "do" to kill a prisoner, and emperor).

This is an interesting use of the "poisoners art". The slow poisoning of a target, over a lengthy time, or to make it look natural.

Spoiler:

As for Nero? "The" Nero's last words (supposedly) were "Hark, now strikes on my ear the trampling of swift-footed coursers!" upon hearing the sound of the approaching horsemen, sent to beat him to death. He then plunged a dagger into his own throat.

However, Drusus Julius Caesar (also called Nero) is reported by scholars of the time to have been poisoned "masterfully" by his wife and others. Maybe you mean him

You might be right. I can't say for sure exactly when we learned to produce cyanide or any of it's derivates. But seeing how lethal and quick it is, it's probably best to simply avoid it to stay clear of god-emoting.

Besides... there are much more imaginative toxins around. One can induce fits and hallucinations, induce temporary insanity, hysteria, paranoia and rage. Cause chaos in the metabolism or make the body overdose itself. Drain people of stomach acid, overdose them with hormones or essential compounds.
Plenty of stuff one could use to create an entire evening of fun roleplaying. And that's the real stuff! Who knows what the fictional things can cause

I recall one evening a year or two back, where I was talking to two paladins and one of them spoke in fear of a poison that had rendered him incapable of using the light. I responded Ic that there were some funghi that if you boiled them, dissolved the liquid in alcohol and then mixed it with the venom of an adder you got a venom that would when induced cause a bout of hysteria and doubt that would render a person unable to focus his mind or remain resolute and thus incapable of using the light.
It was all made up on the spot but allowed the three of us to have a fun evening.

Gruff:
Yes, I've read the theory about Napoleon. The only flaw is that the make up of the time also contained arsenic (and everyone wore it, including Napoleon) which would explain the traces found in his remains, and the theory (it's not entirely confirmed either) that he had been suffering from intestinal cancer since a few years back. Maybe he was indeed poisoned, maybe he wasn't. Maybe it was something else entirely. Impossible to know.

Still interesting theory though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_poison
look at picture at about 1/4 to 1/3 of the aricle.
"A bust of the Roman Emperor Nero, who used cyanide to dispose of unwanted family members"


Also about Napoleon, I think I read somewhere that they looked at his family members and they had about the same amount of Arsenic. I'd have to look up the article >.>

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_poison
look at picture at about 1/4 to 1/3 of the aricle.
"A bust of the Roman Emperor Nero, who used cyanide to dispose of unwanted family members"


Also about Napoleon, I think I read somewhere that they looked at his family members and they had about the same amount of Arsenic. I'd have to look up the article >.>

I followed the link wiki used as source for that and if it's true then the egyptians developed means to distill either cyanide or a cyanide-derivate from the kernels of peaches. So I was wrong it seems. Interesting to learn, thank you.