Gilneas, The New Death Knights?

Curiosity has peaked -another- poll. As a role player of the Alliance, will you accept the Worgen? I don't want the worgen to be the 'new dk' banned from holy places etc. Especially with some willingly changing to help the alliance. What are your thoughts and opinions?

I think that with a city such a Gilneas, even IF some feel compelled to treat the Worgen as OMGWTFKEEELIT and decide to ban them from holy places (lolwat) in Stormwind, the need to be there regardless the harassment won't exist. Gilneas will unquestioningly become one of the new RP hubs in Cataclysm, simply because of its appealing atmosphere. Sure, there will be those who would look at them with narrowed eyes, but it won't make much sense to hate them on sight, since they are in human form when they choose to be so and also when out of combat.

Oh also, out of curiosity. What are your opinions on Human Players -chosing- to become worgen to heighten their prowess in battle etc etc?

Meh.

We have spacegoats as our allies, won't be surprised if next addon brings Ooze as Alliance race and nerubians as horde <)<

I am, neutral.

Anaei/Vezullia/Minua wrote:Oh also, out of curiosity. What are your opinions on Human Players -chosing- to become worgen to heighten their prowess in battle etc etc?

Fight the sues! Fight them with FIRE!

I loved the Draenei introduction into the Alliance; Sue me.

And stand strongly with the worgen. Though not a big fan of all this " I'm gonna become a worgen! casually " business, it's a curse, it's nigh impossible to control without will power and this whole night elf business it wouldn't be common. I've seen people on my old server; The Sha'tar RP multi-class, and even make DKs who were annoyingly casual " Oh yeah, just has myself raised as a DK. No biggie. " This ruined the whole epicness of the class for me and roleplay.

I can't wait for Worgen, honestly. Like hell yeah, I'd accept them! Their quest chain is too epic to not allow them in.

I'm looking forward to hire worgen bruisers, not to mention the illegal beast fights I will be able to organize

Well.. with valid reasons, anything goes Vectoria.
So don't judge it before you've seen it. I mean blizzard even made the Nightguard in Darkshire do it willingly. For the powers to defend their town.

Same with the Death Knights alot people will use their OOC dislike (AKA: Overplayed, most are immature kids, etc) and turn it IC, therefore expect -ALOT- of dislike.

Lore-wise I'm not sure. Some may resent Gilneans anyway (Worgen or not) for leaving the Alliance, and now scampering back to them in a time of need, on the other hand they may now see it as a positive thing.

Secondly the Gilnean Worgen are human. Sure, the Forsaken 'were' as well but at least the Gilneans actually look like such, and can control their curse.

Another note is that very few people will have even seen a Worgen, unlike the Scourge who are known to have destroyed Lordaeron, with thousands if not millions of lives lost due to the constant invasions and Northrend War. This is in contrast to the Worgen, who are more creatures of myth and scary bedtime stories - Heck the Nightwatch, the ones who have probably fought most against them are willingly becoming them.

Considering most people run around holding hands with the Draenei (Former Eredar), I don't think Worgen are going to be any different aside from the above noted OOC hate.

But the next question - Worgen DEATH KNIGHTS?

Blizzard gave in and said...

"Ok haha we cant be arsed to create lore but game mechanics pwn it anyway so GREEN LIGHT TO NEW RACE DKs!" which is pretty annoying & bad.

Weren't worgens supposed to be THE weapon against the scourge?

Eruadan/Gunnell/Graham wrote:

But the next question - Worgen DEATH KNIGHTS?

I hate it.

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:Weren't worgens supposed to be THE weapon against the scourge?

Yes, they were -supposed- to be. But then again the Lich King was -supposed- to serve Kil'jaedan. Everyone's plans seem to go balls up.

Marrenus wrote:Blizzard gave in and said...

"Ok haha we cant be arsed to create lore but game mechanics pwn it anyway so GREEN LIGHT TO NEW RACE DKs!" which is pretty annoying & bad.

The saddest thing is that quote is not far off was Metzen said, it was along the lines of, "There is no lore behind them, and no reasoning behind them they are just for equality."

Which is the Green-Light to ignore them IC as they CANNOT BE DEATH KNIGHTS. Goblins -maybe- simply because they were in Northrend, that's slightly ok. But Worgen were behind the wall. Arthas needs to raise them, Arthas is dead. Bolvar would not raise them. End of.

Gilneas Worgen can work, in a kind of fucked up way.

The Grizzly Hills excuse people bring up doesn't work, as the playable Worgen are Gilnean, just as how all Human characters are Stormwind Humans (Although obviously most people don't RP as such).

During the two Scourge invasions (Naxxramas release, and WotLK Pre-Event) if the Scurdge flew Necropollis' over inhbaitable areas like Tanaris and unpopular areas like Azhara then it's very like they did so with Gilneas and Kerzan as well. Remember that this is where the KotEB DKs came from and not during the Northrend Conflict as Light's Hope took place before it began.

Using this excuse you could say that Gilnean Worgen DKs have always been a part of the Ebon Blade, we just haven't seen them yet.

Gilnean Worgen DKs can work, simply because the Worgen thing starts off 2 years before you find yourself in custody, forced to down some potions to keep you sane. Anything could had happened during those 2 years so it's very possible.

But yes, they are very possible. Arthas didn't limit DKs to being ONLY playable races, you know. There's no need to be so narrow minded and constricting; Arthas had Arugal resurrected and Worgens placed under his command, so how can a Worgen DK not be possible?

Jakins wrote:Gilnean Worgen DKs can work, simply because the Worgen thing starts off 2 years before you find yourself in custody, forced to down some potions to keep you sane. Anything could had happened during those 2 years so it's very possible.

But yes, they are very possible. Arthas didn't limit DKs to being ONLY playable races, you know. There's no need to be so narrow minded and constricting; Arthas had Arugal resurrected and Worgens placed under his command, so how can a Worgen DK not be possible?

Those Worgen are dimensional beasts. NOT Human-Worgen. Arthas had no influence in Gilneas during the closed wall time.

Eruadan/Gunnell/Graham wrote:Gilneas Worgen can work, in a kind of fucked up way.

The Grizzly Hills excuse people bring up doesn't work, as the playable Worgen are Gilnean, just as how all Human characters are Stormwind Humans (Although obviously most people don't RP as such).

During the two Scourge invasions (Naxxramas release, and WotLK Pre-Event) if the Scurdge flew Necropollis' over inhbaitable areas like Tanaris and unpopular areas like Azhara then it's very like they did so with Gilneas and Kerzan as well. Remember that this is where the KotEB DKs came from and not during the Northrend Conflict as Light's Hope took place before it began.

Using this excuse you could say that Gilnean Worgen DKs have always been a part of the Ebon Blade, we just haven't seen them yet.

Also, that is silly logic. No offense ofc. If Gilneas Worgen DKs excisted, we won't be shocked and would know what's behind the wall. Those worgen would have told everyone of the troubles and the Alliance would be prepared to march into GIlneas.

Anaei/Vezullia/Minua wrote:
Also, that is silly logic. No offense ofc. If Gilneas Worgen DKs excisted, we won't be shocked and would know what's behind the wall. Those worgen would have told everyone of the troubles and the Alliance would be prepared to march into GIlneas.

Not really, a few Knights of the Ebon Blade might know about it. Remember how huge the world is, I doubt anybody is really going to give a hoot what a Death Knight thinks who'd be more focused on destroying the Lich King anyway.

One person going "Oh yeah, Worgen slaughtered Gilneas" probably won't spread, more so just add to the rumors, especially coming from a Death Knight.

Anaei/Vezullia/Minua wrote:

Jakins wrote:Gilnean Worgen DKs can work, simply because the Worgen thing starts off 2 years before you find yourself in custody, forced to down some potions to keep you sane. Anything could had happened during those 2 years so it's very possible.

But yes, they are very possible. Arthas didn't limit DKs to being ONLY playable races, you know. There's no need to be so narrow minded and constricting; Arthas had Arugal resurrected and Worgens placed under his command, so how can a Worgen DK not be possible?

Those Worgen are dimensional beasts. NOT Human-Worgen. Arthas had no influence in Gilneas during the closed wall time.

I'm guessing you don't read the quest text.

The Worgen there ARE humans who were CONVERTED into Worgen:

After he was defeated and beheaded by agents of the Horde, Arugal's headless body was buried at the foot of the path leading up to his former stronghold of Shadowfang Keep. At the behest of the Lich King, the darkfallen princes Keleseth, Valanar, Theraldis and Atherann resurrected Arugal as a ghost in the service of the Scourge and sent him to the Grizzly Hills to subvert the trapper communities.
As indicated by Theraldis' comments, Arugal was sent to Solstice Village to convert the population into worgen, and later did the same in Silverbrook. He then settled his base of operations in Shadowfang Tower on Bloodmoon Isle, off the Eastwind Shore. The majority of the populations of the trapper villages willingly joined the Wolfcult, while those who resisted were killed or (in the case of the workers of the Hollowstone Mine) cursed to undeath.

And yes Trave I'm very aware it's " possible " it's also a massive cop out for half the friggin' server to make their charecters into worgen and act extremely casual about it. However, If someone Rps a good month or two of fighting a curse, being chained up as a rabid worgen, or loosing themselves in it. Then sure.

Necromancry wasen't invented by The Scourge, and Arthas doesn't copyright it. Any Worgen DK we see roleplayer however as DK's I'm assuming won't RP as ever being under Arthas's command. But then you could look at the human/worgens in Grizzly hills? Maybes?

Madel/Vectoria/Koblitz wrote:And yes Trave I'm very aware it's " possible " it's also a massive cop out for half the friggin' server to make their charecters into worgen and act extremely casual about it. However, If someone Rps a good month or two of fighting a curse, being chained up as a rabid worgen, or loosing themselves in it. Then sure.

Necromancry wasen't invented by The Scourge, and Arthas doesn't copyright it. Any Worgen DK we see roleplayer however as DK's I'm assuming won't RP as ever being under Arthas's command. But then you could look at the human/worgens in Grizzly hills? Maybes?

My consideration to have ANaei become a worgen would take place over the space of about three to four months.

Well aslong as you keep it in her charecter, and don't get bored of it and fling it away. I had a whole LFRP back on the Sha'tar of laughing and dancing, casually partying full of DKs who just got bored of the curse and were " cured " :/

Anaei/Vezullia/Minua wrote:Oh also, out of curiosity. What are your opinions on Human Players -chosing- to become worgen to heighten their prowess in battle etc etc?

I'd like to put together/join a cult on a new character in the making into the fanatic idea of 'blessing' themselves with the Worgen curse to satisfy the obsession and greed for power.

I think that the worgen will not have as much trouble as the death knights on getting accepted IC, partly because their culture have much in common with the rest of humanity. Partly because they can assume a human shape that doesn't terrify all bystanders (unlike death knights). Partly because they are not the front-figures and field-commanders of a horrific force that has slaughtered thousands and plan to kill the rest too (again unlike death knights, even if they try to put that behind them). Also... wolves are -very- social animals (more so than us humans), and the worgen will likely feel a degree of kinship to the southern humans and will try to socialise and ease their concerns (like assuming human shape).

Also... Anaei. If you want my opinion, I don't think it's a good idea to make Anaei into a worgen IC. It would feel a bit cheap to me.

In addition.. consider the other things:
One, the gilneans are as far as we know the only ones with access to the cure (and they'll probably keep it as secret as they can to prevent anyone from tampering with it). Meaning Anaei risks becoming a rabid beast without control that does little more than run in the wilderness, hunt food and sleep. Unable to be saved or help her people.

Secondly, If the Gilneans hear you intentionally (either by actively seeking out or just being careless) afflicted yourself with the cure, they'll likely be furious with you. It's after all something they suffer from, something that was forced upon them... and you (likely) had a choice. As if the curse was something trivial, fun or something you'd actually want. It's a great insult to them.

Ultimately... it would (or should) alienate you from both Gilneans (since you're not a gilnean) and arathorians (since you're a worgen). It might not be that they'll throw you out, but in your heart you'd be alone. Not truly gilnean so you won't feel at home there and not truly arathorian anymore since the curse has changed you so much. Alone in spirit, if not in presence of others.
Added together with the likely heightened social desire from being part wolf in spirit, I'd forsee Anaei heading straight into a massive depression. A lone wolf... which is the worst fate any wolf (or human) can suffer from.

Just my opinion on the matter though.