Mists of Pandaria

Muzjhath wrote:Nah, they are all to "awesome".
They'll just end up all having sex in one big steamy pile of tentacles.

Spoiler:

Muzjhath wrote:I'm gonna go with a far simpler solution.

Why, everything.
-Because Chris Metzen is a fucking bad writer. Yes, for the type of games they were some of the Warcraft games have great plots. But many of the characters are lacking and the details are often "wut". But how lacking he really is comes forward so, so, much in WoW.

Occam's Razor applied.

Thelos wrote:Comparing the story and plots in an MMO to literature is absolutely ludicrous

Writing for a videogame is different from writing a novel in many important ways.

As Drustai once pointed out, if any thing, Metzen has made the mistake of trying too hard to write as if he were writing a novel by overemphasizing the "main characters". That entire notion is bullshit when you're writing for an MMO, since the player character is supposed to be the protagonist. If anything, we´ll want shallower characters, walking archetypes we can release our imagination on.

Also, Metzen is not the sole writer of WoW. The franchise of Warcraft has literally dozens of writers contributing.

Really, all of this complaining about WoW´s writing and Metzen in particular is just really confusing to me. You lot do realise that the story and so called plots are just vehicles to deliver new gameplay experiences, and not the other way around, right? We're not playing trough Harry Potter here, so stop pretending you are and demanding some ethereal grand "Character depth" from characters you dont even give a shit about while playing trough the game. It's only when you distance yourself and start reflecting from your armchair that you come up with these critisisms, anyway. You're roleplayers for pete's sake, you should know this better than anyone - That the so called characters of WoW lore are largely irrelevant, or at least pale in importance to your own character.

I'm sorry if I seem to go off on a tangent but all this smug-armchair talk about how piss poor WoW writing is really rubs me the wrong way. It comes across as both extremely arrogant and misinformed at the same time to me.

You're applying standards of "Quality writing" you derived from other media, mostly literature, and applying it to something else entirely where it may not be at all applicable. No, WoW is not Harry Potter or Lords of the Rings. But that's a good thing. The irony is that in oblidging to your demands, the writers would actually make the writing worse as the player's importance is even more marginalized to make way for the soap opera that is supposed to increase the character depth, or something. Again, this isn't a novel. It's an MMO.

Cirena wrote:
Warcraft writing is shit. Warcraft lore is shit. Wow writing is shit. Wow lore is shit.

Cirenah wrote:

Thelos wrote:Comparing the story and plots in an MMO to literature is absolutely ludicrous

Writing for a videogame is different from writing a novel in many important ways.

As Drustai once pointed out, if any thing, Metzen has made the mistake of trying too hard to write as if he were writing a novel by overemphasizing the "main characters". That entire notion is bullshit when you're writing for an MMO, since the player character is supposed to be the protagonist. If anything, we´ll want shallower characters, walking archetypes we can release our imagination on.

Also, Metzen is not the sole writer of WoW. The franchise of Warcraft has literally dozens of writers contributing.

Really, all of this complaining about WoW´s writing and Metzen in particular is just really confusing to me. You lot do realise that the story and so called plots are just vehicles to deliver new gameplay experiences, and not the other way around, right? We're not playing trough Harry Potter here, so stop pretending you are and demanding some ethereal grand "Character depth" from characters you dont even give a shit about while playing trough the game. It's only when you distance yourself and start reflecting from your armchair that you come up with these critisisms, anyway. You're roleplayers for pete's sake, you should know this better than anyone - That the so called characters of WoW lore are largely irrelevant, or at least pale in importance to your own character.

I'm sorry if I seem to go off on a tangent but all this smug-armchair talk about how piss poor WoW writing is really rubs me the wrong way. It comes across as both extremely arrogant and misinformed at the same time to me.

You're applying standards of "Quality writing" you derived from other media, mostly literature, and applying it to something else entirely where it may not be at all applicable. No, WoW is not Harry Potter or Lords of the Rings. But that's a good thing. The irony is that in oblidging to your demands, the writers would actually make the writing worse as the player's importance is even more marginalized to make way for the soap opera that is supposed to increase the character depth, or something. Again, this isn't a novel. It's an MMO.

And all this blind fanboy smugness rubs me the wrong way (oh look, I can make strawmans too!)

Warcraft writing is shit. Warcraft lore is shit. Wow writing is shit. Wow lore is shit.

Grek'thar/Takarius wrote:
So...why do you RP then on WoW since you consider it all to be shit?

Just switch George Lucas with Metzen and you're all set.

Grek'thar/Takarius wrote:

Kristeas Sunbinder wrote:

Grek'thar/Takarius wrote:

Thunder Bluff: 2063 Arrears
Undercity: 5022 Arrears
Silvermoon: Over 9000 Arrears

What is with all that debt?